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I dont get how people say wraith is oppressive
Literally all it takes is a decent loop eyes and self care or a teammate and he cant get you. That's not including any exhaustion perks that make sure you get there safely
Edit I should say base wraith because everyone seems to agree that his addons need changed
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Because he isn’t a low tier loopable baby anymore and survivors don’t like that.
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It’s mainly his ability to go from hook to hook fast due to mobilty and okay antiloop and more unsafe pallet
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Instead of blaming themselves, they lash out on the Wraith.
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tbf, as a survivor you have to play quite a few ranks higher than the Wraith player. Wraith has a low skill floor which makes him popular, but to actually verse him you need decent awareness and game sense on top of some mechanical skill. Your average survivor will excel in maybe two of those things. A good Wraith will identify which survs are good at chasing and not focus on committing hard to them.
The survivor has to sweat way harder.
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It's because he can be anywhere whenever he wants. He has insane mobility and map pressure at all times. He's not op but he is very difficult to play against sometimes.
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From what I heard it’s more like Freddy 2.0 where the hate stems from add-on and perk synergy.
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He is oppressive vs people that can't loop and don't pay attention, which is probably most the the community tbh. It doesn't mean he is too strong though. This community tends to not acknowledge their own shortcomings and instead they like to blame the killer being too strong for why they lost. People whine about every killer. Wraith is just now the new hot killer to complain about because he was recently buffed and some people, mainly survivor only players, think it was too much of a buff for some reason. Even with his new buff, he still gets stomped on by decent players. You can still loop him just the same and so on. Nothing much changed about him, but that doesn't matter to the people that think he is OP.
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Or a flashlight. Just one flashlight is enough to remove Wraith's ability from the game.
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he is opressive. i have a miserable time against him as survivor, but playing him feel so goood
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A lot of people play this game at lower ranks and don’t understand the counterplay to Wraith. Also, a lot of survivors play solo and he can feel more oppressive against solo queuers.
He also has really good synergy with most of the strongest killer perks, and he has really strong add ons. Ever gone against a Ruin/Undying/Devour/BBQ Wraith with all seeing and a Hawkins offering? Not a good time.
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Truetalent already proved how bad Wraith is against a very good SWF team. One game i think he did not even get one hook lol. But against bad survivors he is really good, but you can say that about most killers. If you have a team of solos that can't loop very well then Wraith will win. Also he has a couple of very good addon combos that can make him pretty good. With buffs he went from garbage to C tier.
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He's oppressive for a few reasons:
- High mobility
- You can't see him coming until he's very close
- His power is decent to mindgame unsafe pallets
Point 1 and 2 mean that when he has broken a few pallets or perhaps the only pallet near a gen (if any), the next time he comes to that generator he will get a free hit. This applies to many gens. So soon enough once you've been hit you'll be in a pickle. You either A) Keep working on the gen or B) Look for a teammate to heal or C) Heal yourself.
If you keep working on the gen the chances are he'll come back and get a free down. If you look for a teammate to heal you're wasting a lot of time and either way he'll probably come back, get another free hit and the process will start again. Healing yourself is the best option but isn't always an option.
So it's not so much that Wraith isn't easily looped in chases, it's that any pallets near gens which must be repaired are destroyed soon enough and best case scenario the gen's in the shack or in a jungle gym/TL wall. So you don't really have a chase.
Now all of what I said above is heavily mitigated in a coordinated SWF or if the survivor is using Spinechill. If you know he's coming you can simply run far away and chances are he won't commit because it's not worth it. You go back on the gen when it's safe.
TLDR Wraith isn't that oppressive in chases, he's oppressive when it comes to patrolling gens. He will down or injure you before the chase really even has a chance to begin. That's in solo queue or with limited comms. In a coordinated SWF the Wraith still has his mobility but you know when he's coming, you know when it's safe and you can very easily heal up and so he becomes much, much less oppressive.
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every killer has a strength, and a weakness. you just named wraiths strength.
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As wraith main I agree with them saying he's oppressive because he is I can't lie
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He's the same old loopable m1 Wraith, he got one tweak and survivor mains had heart attacks en masse. He's not "oppressive", people are just frustrated that they can't absolutely ball on him anymore.
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You have to admit his movement speed is quite bonkers.
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Isn't that the case with every complaint? Rather than acknowledging that perhaps they are the problem, they must blame everything else and label it unfun, boring, scummy and OP. And don't forget, they have to accuse anyone who disagrees as a killer main even though most people play both roles?
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It's the same speed he already had with old purple Windstorm, and everybody back in the day used Windstorm anyway.
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It's hard not synergize well with perks when he was created to do just that. Just like most of killers that existed at launch when powers we much less a big deal. Mans just speed. stealth, and m1. All the crazy stuff is just perks and add-on, but now he's gotten a few booster shots of QOL changes so he's threatening.
Imagine what life is gonna be like when they start rehabbing trapper.
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Because these days no one wants to loop so wraith is oppressive.
Wraith punishes hold W players but not loopers.
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Yeah it's quite sad really. I also hear people saying that people don't want Wraith nerfed because they're killer mains that don't want him nerfed or whatever. The mentality of these people.
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Thats kinda the thing, making Addons basekit ultimately frees that spot to use other addons, thats why Wraith's current addons are so strong now, since he no longer has the same drawbacks from back then.
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I wonder how much whining there will be when Trapper finally gets his long awaited buff (He better get one Devs, or I will riot!!!). Heck, I bet if they just let him start with an extra trap, people will whine.
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I can see how people find him annoying, but he definitely is not oppressive.
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The community asked for YEARS for Windstorm basekit. It's kind of bummers that now this is a problem...
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billy is much faster, but no one seems to complain about that
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Because his ability to maneuver is severely hindered while sprinting. It also has a cooldown. Wraith has neither of these issues.
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I run a very similar build bit just Haunted Ground instead of Ruin lol
Slap either coxcombed Clapper or bone Clapper with all seeing and its a fun match lol
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My wraith got BBQ so decided to see what the hype was about and here's my take. First gm ran mangled/disappearance and survivors would get 15 to 20 meters of distance b4 i would fully appear, the speed boost would get me closer but not enough to hit (unless bodyblocked/surprised). So next gm ran mangled/reappearance and they could still get out of the lunge range because that's how long it takes to reappear like I said unless surprised or bodyblocked. So my opinion survivors just suck right now coz simple hold w works.
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They clearly didnt knew what they were asking for, thats why making addons basekit is a dangerous move without looking at all the other addons as well.
Also Wraith got his addons buffed to make it worse
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Wraith's addons didn't get buffed except for The Serpent.
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Well, log in solo Survivor and tell me what you think next time you face a decent Wraith.
He moves too damn fast, yes people used to use add-ons to do this, now they dont have to, so they get all the best benefit plus another add-on slot.
Trying to flashlight him is ridiculous, he's too fast and, thats if you caught his shimmer right away, trust me, I've tried.
His add-ons are ridiculous, all seeing and silent bell are far too powerful.
Yes, he can be looped but, if you are looping as Wraith, you already did it wrong.
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IMO he's okay where he is, but his add ons are not. Some of them def need a rebalance touch.
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Wraith is fine where he is. His silent bell is fine as well. But the all seeing add on with a huge range of 12m is a bit too much.
I honestly think it'll be better if they just outright remove it.
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Debatable normally I just run loops around them they will run out of battery
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Blights oni Billy spirit in some ways nurse all of them are faster
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I do dh is still way more common than wraith. The wraiths that I struggle with are the ones who.dont commit to me when I get to a good spot. Sorta like. stealth killers not supposed to be a massive chase killer
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Wraith's add ons need to be retuned to account for his base speed.
His attack coming out of stealth is too long with the add ons, and All Seeing is hot garbage.
Also, if you're looping as Wraith, you're a bad Wraith.
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Wraith is only oppressive if he runs all-seeing blood and shadowdance together. At that point, you can't ever stealth him, you can't lose him in a chase, he'll win every gym mindgame because he sees you 100% of the time, and he eats pallets almost as fast as bubba.
Before the wraith buff, I could BARELY get him to 8 or 9 (over several months of trying). I got to 1 with that add-on combo within a couple weeks. I'll bet anything that all-seeing blood gets nerfed sooner rather than later. Without that, he's a solid C+ or B- killer.
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That's exactly what I mean, Wraith is to be played by stealthing up to unsuspecting survivors and get the "free" hit. Re-cloak and chase them down to finish. if they make it to a strong tile, don't loop with them. Abandon that chase and go surprise someone else. You are fast enough to do this, baskekit. Add some decent add-ons and it's silly.
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