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New Trickster is basically old legion

Change my mind

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  • JimboMason
    JimboMason Member Posts: 759

    yup

  • WeenieDog
    WeenieDog Member Posts: 2,187

    Old legion? Baby, legion in general only dreams of being able to body survivors this fast.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 9,781

    Not really... Old Legion's problem was that no matter how skilled the survivor was, the chase was basically on a timer as soon as it started. There really wasnt much difference between chases with good survivors vs bad survivors. Trickster's decay feature though allows for survivors to undo the hits Trickster lands. If a survivor is good enough at delaying hits, they could keep causing the dmg to decay and not take any ACTUAL dmg. While you DO have cases like waste high objects that Trickster can throw over, tall wall jungle gyms have a tendency of denying hits and therefore causing alot of decay. This wasnt a thing for old Legion though who could just chase after you through whatever path you took because they were just plain speedy.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Both are equally annoying, I would say.

    The last time I faced Trickster happened to be on Ormond, which translates to the perfect Old Legion experience.

    That match was so annoying that I broke my one sacred rule...and DCed.

  • NomiNomad
    NomiNomad Member Posts: 3,181

    I still find Old Legion far more infuriating, to be honest. At least Trickster can't instantly vault pallets and has to reload.

  • glitchboi
    glitchboi Member Posts: 6,025
    edited August 2021

    No, not even close.

    The new Trickster has counterplay, that is being out of line of sight to get rid of your laceration. Old Legion had absolutely ZERO counterplay. Drop a pallet? Get #########. Vault a window? They fast vault it and hit you! Vault a pallet? You guessed it. And don't even get me started on mending.

  • Crowman
    Crowman Member Posts: 10,180

    The only similarity they share is that they both "require" multiple hits with their power to down.

    However, there wasn't anything you could realistically do against legion since deep wounds never went away unless you mend and if you try to mend and legion walks up to you, you were basically screwed since mending didn't pause the deep wound timer. Even if Legions weren't moonwalking at you to abuse those mechanics, he can vault pallets and windows after you very quickly meaning there was never a situation in which you could make distance in a chase. Even if Legion missed in Feral Frenzy he would get the lunge distance and could immediately attack again.

    Trickster can be defeated with LoS since decay is fast now meaning that unless he can land all his knives in a small window before you reach a LoS blocker, you can actually reset a chase against him. Plus Trickster has to reload his knives and can't get go though windows and pallets meaning there are plenty of opportunities to make distance if you play a tile right.

  • Devil_hit11
    Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 9,513

    some of tricksters that I have faced have had grand total of like 2 hooks in 5 gens. Some of them are even red ranks like rank 3 and 2. Even blight players that play like robots with undying+Ruin do better than people that play trickster. I am simply not convinced that Trickster is that newbie friendly.

    The good trickster have good aim, it becomes exceptionally easy to deny them any ability to really shoot and they just end up being 110% m1.