Baby Killer: Is This Tunneling?
As title says, I'm a baby killer. I main Legion and Im rank 16 currently. Now I dont remember crystal clear what happened at this point, I played like 10 games after this one, but it got me thinking about my gameplay.
Survovirs: Feng Min, Jake, Bill(Maybe Kate?), Claudette (I think)
Killer: Legion
I see Jake first just like walking out in the open, so I go for him and get a hit. As I was chasing Jake he runs me into Feng Min--so I hit her. I start chasing her and after like a 5 second chase she was downed, so I pick her up and place her on hook.
Im going around the map, and after a while I notice that Feng Min STILL hasn't been saved and she just entered phase 2 so I'm like "oo thats rough why hasnt anyone saved her" but oh well. Finally someone unhooks her and I'm like maybe half away across the map so I head in that direction. I see Jake and he's since healed so I get a hit off of him, and during our chase Feng Min just kinda runs into me--so I just take a swing, she goes down, and I place her on hook. Yadda yadda yadda--long story short I let the Jake escape because I felt bad that the 4k was kinda easy, and in post-game they said I tunneled ALL game?
Like I don't think I did, I really try to bounce between survivors. If I hooked Bill I purposely walk away and dont hang around, because I dont think camping is a good way to play, and I literally would just chase whoever I happened to see--and for some reason most of the survivors are legit just walking out in the open? Like they're trying not to make scratch marks I guess, but at least walk behind a visual barrier or something? So I let the Jake win and they're Rank 4 survivor. Like I easily coulda gotten the 4k, but I wanted to be at least a little nice since the majority of them seemed... really new to the game. But no--just got accused of toxic tunneling?
They're a streamer on Twitch so I even reached out to them, and they were super nice and spoke to me on their stream saying I tunneled their Feng Min friend. Personally I don't think I did, she just got kinda unlcuky. I dont chase for longer than 15 seconds because I get looped easily and if I see another target I just change paths.
I'm definitely open for some feedback--I wanna make sure everyone in game is at least having fun, but a Rank 4 accessing me of tunneling just makes it sound like I went OUT OF MY WAY to kill their friend which I didn't purposely do
But again, PLEASE let me know. I'm still learning.
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That doesn't sound like tunneling.
Tunneling is actually going for that player, if they run towards you whose fault is it? Not yours, they decided not to save while you are in the opposite of the map? Not your fault.
You can say this is tunneling --> you hook feng after she got unhooked you left whatever you were doing just to down her again and kill her, which from what I could tell by reading you didn't do.
What they are saying sounds like they are finding an excuse or a scapegoat as why they lost.
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UPDATE: So I just watched the twitch to see from their point of view was--LITERALY NO MATTER WHO I CHASED i was consdiered tunneling.
Then they kinda started accusing me of being anti-lgtbq because I was killing them? And "why do they have the flag charm this feels very anti"
and im like WHAT.
The entire portion of the stream I was called tunneling no matter who I went after.
There was a bit where I was hooking Claudette just as Jake was unhooking Kate--so when I heard the notification, I just walked back over and they both were literally UNDER HOOK healing... so I hit them.
"Wow, they're REALLY tunneling"
I grab Kate and put her back on hook, and I hear Claudette get unhooked so I simply just walk back to that hook--and there they are, right under THAT hook. They both run and Claudette just happened to be closest to me so I hit her
"They're tunneling AGAIN"
Like bro #########? Is this how survivors hit rank 4?
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I kinda wish I hadn't watched the stream they said really mean things about me and I legit was just playing. Like my entire game I was just kinda bubblegum chilling like "yo someone get feng she's on 2nd state" "yo kate i respect u for trying to sabotage but i dont think its gonna work" like i was legit just bopping around and would follow whoever crossed my vision.
I'd post the stream but the streamer themselves was polite and cordial to me when I spoke to them I just wish I could post the vid of gameplay. During the beginning there was a bit of along chase with Jake, would that be considered tunneling?
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like at the end i could of EASILY killed jake and gotten the 4k but i was like eh it was a rough game for them I'll let one go so I picked him up after he was knocked and carried him to the gate so he could get out and they just IMMEDIATELY start trash talking me "not them using the LGBT flag" "yeah they BETTER give u the win" "thats what i thought!" "oh they BETTER be rank 20"
like how are you gonna talk trash about a rank 20 as a rank 4 survivor, WHO LET U WIN.
so at this point it seems like "how dare i kill someone if its right in front of me". according to the streamer tunneling is when "someone gets unhooked and you're right back on them again so you can kill them".
so, if for example, Kate gets unhooked and I'm walking over i SHOULD NOT hit kate--at all, and instead go for another survivor. even if kate is literally right in front of me. and under a hook... being healed. but... ok.
idk. if thats what tunneling is then i guess ill keep that in mind
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Depends what you mean by tunneling, and obviously it means different things for different people.
Technically it was not tunneling, you were already on someone else and then accidentally happened to find Feng as she runs into you. Unlucky.
Then again, you on purpose took this easy kill, prioritised a survivor who went into second stage and is now dead on hook. That's what you do when you try to win. In some way, it's kind of tunneling. Not fun for that Feng but then again, if you aren't clearly dominating that match, you can't think about survivors' fun too much. A lot of times it's either gonna be unfun for the survivor who gets killed early, or it's gonna be unfun for you.
It's a nice thing to do to give a chance to survivors who are struggling. I was doing it a lot in the lowest ranks, can't do it anymore. You'll find out that survivors are not going to give you a chance when you are struggling.
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The Streamer even said their gameplay was risky because I maanged to hook Feng and Jake close to one another. But heres the replay:
Feng on hook
I chase Jake, hook him at a nearby hook like maybe 100ft from Feng
Im now half way across map chasing Kate
Claudette unhooks Feng
I hit Kate and follow her
Claudette is unhooking Jake right as Kate runs up to them (with me chasing still chasing her)
I try to hit Kate, nothing happens, i swing again and it hit Jake he has BT so he runs off unscathed (and steamer calls me a b****)\
I continue to chase Kate since I can't do anything about Jake since he has BT and I dont see Claudette anywhere. "(kate)OMG killer his tunneling me"
Kate happens to run RIGHT by Feng(who for some reason was still within like 20 feet of her unhook) so i hit her and she goes down
as i pick her up jake attempts to body block me so i do a few swipes to get a hit or get them away from me--and as this is happening Kate is trying to sabatoge the hook. i swipe at kate and knock her as shes mid-sabatoge and then hang feng. "omg that d** bag REALLY tunneled you"
like... i hadn't even laid eyes on feng since i hooked her. and then she appeared in front of me while i was chasing kate.
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Play however you want. What you did was not tunneling, and even if it was, who cares? You won, they lost, they cried about it
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I get accused of tunneling and camping all the time, just because I happened to find the same person again or I was near the hook because I saw someone going to the hook
The best thing to do is ignore survivors that try to tell you how to play, they just want to trick you into letting them win and making the game as easy as possible. The best strategy is what you think is the most fun/enjoyable, so play how you want to play and don't let them control you
As far as the insults go, the way I see it is: if they don't have anything nice to say, their opinion doesn't matter
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You're so good at the game you somehow tunnel 4 people at once
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I have negative respect for streamers, survivor streamers especially are usually fragile narcissists. Don't hesitate to tunnel them.
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since kate was down i picked her up, and put her on the old hook Jake was on. i barely get 10 feet away when Claudette shows up (and in the stream the Claudette even says "i tried to be sneaky") i down her in about 3 seconds and go to a 3rd hook and place her on there.
since the stream is Jake's POV I cant tell what im doing, but they see me leave the area entirely.
jake goes to unhook kate.
i start to head that way since i heard an unhook notification
Kate and Jake are BOTH under the hook. I start to chase Jake but they end up doubling back--thus evading me--and who should I run into... KATE. so i hit her. "tunneling" i pick her up and hook her--just as i do so Jake unhooks claudette.
so i walk over.
theyre BOTH under hook, healing....
so i chase them. we were on a ledge so we all 3 jump down--jake breaks off to the left, claudette is running straight. i follow claudette becaase thats literally whos right in front of me. "hes tunneling you"
i chase claudette a ways away and down her
jake has returned to kate and unhooks her
i hook claudette(dies)
since i got the unhook notification i go back to the direction of Kate's hook--and whos out in the open: kate. literally WIDE out in the open snow. in the stream you literally see jake hide and crouch behind a large rock (smart) and meanwhile Kate is out in the open snow... so i start following kate because theres literally NO one else in sight.
i down kate, Jake is hiding in a locker. (and sees hatch about 20 feet from them)
i hook kate(dies)
after hooking kate i start to look around for Jake--and find hatch. so i slam it shut. i decided to check the gate furthest from me
jake comes out and 50% the gate that i had walked away from
as i come back he tactfully hides
so i go back to other gate
as im gone jake gets back on the 50% gate and finishes it up.
during the last 2% i get back to his gate and i down him---and then decide to give him the W.
this part of the stream literally everyone trash talked me for being bad and how i MUST be a new killer and how bad i was.
I know some have said i wasnt tunneling but i just legit wanted to give as full a story as i could. i didnt intentrially tunnel, i just happened to follow whoever landed in my direct line of sight.
if i was tunneling wouldnt i objectively be IGNORING other things and focus on one person? if i was tunneling Jake i'd of ignored the Feng min than ran right in front of me. if i was tunneling jake I 'd of chase him down even thought he was on BT. i feel i played a fair game, but maybe someone can shed some light on things since i posted the play by play
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You are still learning, learn to play with the opportunities presented to you. If that is classified as tunneling, camping, slugging, unfun, unfair, sweaty, toxic... realize that you are the killer, you are not responsible for them and their fun. Survivors are not going to slow down the game for you, they are not intentionally going to give you free hits or kills.
Play the game, make the right decision and if Feng runs into while in death hook ... take that present and ignore what they say in post chat. You can play like the nicest killer in the world, if you win... you are a filthy camping, tunneling, slugging baby killer with no skill!
My advise to you, if you want to enjoy killer... laugh at the salt in the post game and move on. They are just salty and poor sports when losing. Play accordingly to how you want to play.
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You care too much about this, you don't have to follow their imaginary rulebook. Those streamers are angry because they wanted someone to clown on and make youtube clips of. When that didn't happen, they made excuses to deflect from having to acknowledge their bad plays.
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Thanks, I needed to hear that honestly. I wish I had recorded my own gameplay because the entire game I was literally just in casual gameplay mode. i even remember feeling really bad for feng min when she went into 2nd phase on her 1st hook, and for slugging Kate when she tried to sabotage a hook. i think ill start recording my games from now on--i definitely wanna learn and after rewatching the stream the survivor did i can see all the mistakes THEY made, and then just labelled it as me tunneling. like why would yall heal under hook when you know Im so close by?
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Don't listen to anyone.
That is NOT tunneling. Did you go for her? Did you purposely drop everything just to hunt her down? NO!
Survivors just like to find a reason they died to avoid admitting they did bad.
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thanks, i guess i took this too personally. i thought it was just a friendly match and turns out some people take this game REALLY seriously.
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Oh, yeah, you're TOTALLY tunneling with a Survivor on your shoulder while Kate is sabotaging the hook you want to use. Like, what?
These guys need to learn that you physically CANNOT tunnel 3 people at the same time.
It's not a thing.
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It doesn't matter, who cares if you're tunelling or not. Tunnel away, chase whoever you want for whatever reason you want.
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after rewatching im really shocked at all the mistakes im seeing. The Jake was Rank 4, Kate and Claudette were Rank 10, and Feng was like 17. I feel like if I were truly tunneling then this game should have been an easy cakewalk for them because if I tunneled just 1 person they'd all of easily gotten all generators done, right? I feel like as a Rank 16 killer I dont exactly have the skill level to tunnel 3 people at once
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As you heard from watching their stream they have many made-up ruies that you cannot possibly live up to, stop listening to Survivors.
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Let me tell you a secret of what I believe could be happening.
If you are being called a tunneler, you as the killer is doing fine.
If you are being called a tunneler + something else, you are doing good.
Tunneler + something + something, you are doing amazing.
If you get called 2 bad words then tunneler + camper, you made it into being a very solid killer.
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Does not matter if was or not. Do what you feel you need to do as they will. As for tunneling that just gets thrown out there so much these days it barely has a meaning anymore. Unless you hook each one at a time AND let them heal under hook you are tunneling in so many eyes its baffling. Just play the game you paid for.
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Sometimes perspective is very different. They see it only from their view. She clearly wasn't a good runner, especially if she ran into you multiple times. Some survivors are also entitled and think you aren't supposed to act on something even though its completely fine to.
Had the Twitch streamer seen it from your perspective, I'm sure they wouldn't think it was tunneling. But just misplay after misplay by the Feng Min friend of theirs. If you can't last 1m or more in a chase versus Legion at the beginning of the game when you have access to every pallet/loop, that just means you haven't learned how to run a killer efficiently yet.
I wouldn't think anything of it. Just seems like they were salty and didn't bother being reasonable, taking a step back and analyzing what actually happened/why it happened.
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Don't waste your time or energy entertaining claims like this as it will only sink you deeper into the toxic/entitled sided of the community (both sides) and kill your overall enjoyment of the game.
If you're this concerned over a single match, imagine the mental fatigue you'll take in the high ranks, where people throw out excuses in at least half the games I play on either side.
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I try to play killer in a way that allows fun for everyone, so I do my best to not camp or tunnel survivors and if they’re having a bad match I’ll even give them a chance to regroup.
Even so, I still get called a tunneller. I used to argue with people about it and try to get them to explain how I tunnelled and try to defend myself, but I’ve since realised that it’s a pointless endeavour because if someone FEELS like you tunnelled, then in their mind, you tunnelled. The circumstances are irrelevant. Facts are irrelevant. Them playing badly and running into your arms is irrelevant. You won’t convince them to change their minds.
So… I really wouldn’t worry about it. If you didn’t tunnel, then let them think what they want. And even if you did tunnel someone, even if you went out of your way to do it, oh well. It’s a game and they can get over it.
EDIT: @Raccoon Thanks, I’m never leaving another comment 🤓
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Your post count at this exact moment is 2345!
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Well,even more than not having the skill, it's physically impossible to tunnel 3 people at once.
Which was my entire point.
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A wise answer !
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The real lesson is not to watch yourself on other people's Twitch streams. Streamers don't really see you as a person -- they see you as an element of the game they can riff on to entertain the people watching. Unless you're watching the nicest streamer in the world, you won't tune in and hear them say nice stuff about you -- it's pretty much always going to be bad.
As far as the game, it sounds like you played neutral. Definitely didn't go out of your way to be nice to the players who seemed to be struggling, but it doesn't sound like you went out of your way to torment them, either.
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