Can we agree Wraith's Silent Bell with Aura Read is too much??
Silent Bell isn't the problem because 'Bone Clapper' (can't discern the Bell's distance or direction) addon is a perfectly suitable substitution.
The Aura Read of survivors while cloaked for 12 meters is just a bit too much IMO. I think it should be outright removed or at the very least nerfed to 8 meters instead.
I went against these 2 addons a few times, and played these 2 addons twice so far, and.. ... just get rid of the aura read.
50/50 survivor/killer btw.
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I think they are fine, its ok for killers to have strong addons
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I think silent bell is a pretty big problem, especially when combined with the speed boost from decloaking. And yeah the Aura reading is busted too and needs a big change, of not fully removed.
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Not saying they dont need to get changed (i still think they are mostly fine, killers are also allowed to have strong stuff) but playing it only two matches and claiming its OP....Nah.
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Honestly i think they are all fine. Its nice that a killer can have good useful add ons that arent some niche garbage. More killers should have good add ons like wraith.
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Having wallhax and 0 indicator of when you're uncloaking is not ok. You can literally just cloak at any tile and a down becomes braindead easy. This is not a "strong addon" its entirely unfair.
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No, it’s strong but not too strong. You can counter it by being aware and having an escape route.
Also two games isn’t enough time to judge whether something is OP or not.
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Interesting theory, want to 1v1 and show how it holds up, I don't think his all seeing can invalidate entire tiles as much as you might think it can
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Since they added Windstorm base kit, and to a lesser degree made Wraith invisible past 10 metres, CC is definitely problematic. With silent bell and 3 brain cells to rub together, you just become old Prayer Bead Spirit just with the charge on the other end. Hide behind literally any LOS blocker and its a free hit or grab every time. We all realised Prayer Beads were stupid, I'm hoping the same happens for CC. Even just removing the Windstorm speed and locking Wraith at 115% when cloaked if using CC would be infinitely better.
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It’s fine, you can still hear him become invisible or becoming visible, he’s really loud and not that hard to spot, if you getting beat by a m1 killer like wraith maybe you should get good and use spine chill if you want easy counter to wraith
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Be aware of what? His bell is silent and he's speedy af. Outside of his growling, there's nothing to even warn you, and trying to listen for that is like trying to listen for old Prayer Bead Spirit's footsteps. I love Wraith, and have a pretty good amount of time on him, and I never use CC because its such a free win. There's just nothing survivors can do if the Wraith knows what they're doing.
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The wraith add ons were kinda ok before his buff, still somewhat OP however now they are ridiculously strong on him and should be EXTRA hard nerfed
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Lol it’s definitely OP. It’s Scratched Mirror Myers (on every map).
He’s invisible up to twenty meters, so no awareness on approach. And he can still chase you down as a 115 killer.
It was fine before his buffs.
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I will agree it becomes a bit much, especially if you have a PWYF Wraith using them to be cracked out on speed. It doesn't take long for him to catch up to a survivor attemtping to escape nowadays, and if you go for an all chase build of Bamboozle/Enduring/Spirit Fury he can become a very oppressive killer, especially on indoor maps.
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Agreed.
The fact that Blight’s Compound21 needed a nerf says enough. The wall hack add on is waaaaay too much.
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Strong, but not opressive. With his last speed buff he needs some changes.
My suggestion is to swap all seeing blood and spirit rarities and reduce wraith speed with silent bell to pre-buff values
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I don't think its too strong but its sure not fun to play against or as. I'd rather have something else as an effect that's more engaging. On the same stance I also think the key add on that reveals the killer should get changed too.
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The Predator didn't have a bing bong bell, and Arnie did just fine!
Memes aside, use your eyeballs. He is pretty easy to spot. Spine Chill if you have to. The big thing about addons like this is the killer only has the surprise element of them once. After that, you have the info you need to adapt.
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Most of them come with drawbacks though, or arent powerful, Wraith one is too strong for not having ANY drawback.
Other two similar addons cripple their killers in some way.
Shape cant tier up and Pig only has one Reverse Beartrap
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Silent Bell is fine. I'd make Bone Clapper green.
Now let's get into the big guy: "All-Seeing" - Blood
My idea for this add-on is to make it so it decreases Wraith's movement speed to 126% (his pre-buff cloaked movement speed) while cloaked, and slightly increase his uncloak movement speed. This would make old Wraith playable again, but as an add-on, as well as aura reading. Plus, what made the add-on fine in the past was that Wraith was a weaker killer who had no freedom for add-ons.
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I am twisted on the Silent Bell, because it is an Iridescent Add On, after all. And the other one is not that good.
However, the purple All Seeing is too much and should be nerfed. Before they buffed his Speed, you were basically forced to play Windstorm. So you could use Windstorm + All Seeing and dont have a Silent Bell. OR you can go for Silent Bell + Windstorm, but dont have All Seeing.
OR you can go for Silent Bell and All Seeing, but you have a slow Wraith.
Now with basically purple Windstorm Basekit, it is like (old) Wraith has 3 Add On-Slots. And this is too much.
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Its ok against a team that brings strong tools and addons as well but you can tell that in the lobby so for the majority of cases they are certainly not fine, and I say this as someone who mains wraith. Those addons are busted
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Rarity swap is agreeable, nerf to silent bell doesn't seem fair
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Wraith silent bell was very strong pre - buff. Doesnt need to be stronger
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"most of them"
Trapper bags
Apex muffler and iridescent brick
Nurse blink recharge addons, Nurse range addons
Myers stalk speed addons (not to be confused with movement speed while stalking addons)
Hags mint rag, range addons, and rusty shackles
Doctor iridescent king, and detonation delay addons
Huntress, wind up, wind down, and extra hatchet addons
I think this is a small enough selection to show that plenty of killers have powerful addons without drawbacks that can boost their kits, its just that many of them have a more subtle feeling effect most of the time in comparison to silent bell and all seeing but they just like those addons can win a match or make the difference needed to win one
Also the "sacrifice" for a strong addon is to be down an addon slot that something else could use especially when addons are used to patch up weaknesses in killers basekits, a wraith with silent bell all seeing can't uncloak faster, break things faster while invisible, move even faster while invisible, cloak faster, or do something like apply debuffs, the list goes on but there are plenty of strong things that wraith can no longer do since he has committed his entire loadout to information and increased surprise factor
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The silent bell isn't stronger, wraith is
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Yep. It needs nerfed.
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Wraith is perfect now tbh.
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All seeing blood's range is pitifully small at 12 meters.
12 meter isn't much given that its the same range as kindred level 2 killer aura reveal which if you ever used it barely reveals the killer at all.
Its mainly helpful for his anti loop at high walls but that's pretty much it or survivors trying to crouch around a generator as its range is too small for most other purposes.
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I've been playing a lot of Wraith recently and I have to agree. All Seeing is just absurd considering its purple rarity. I'd understand if it was an iridescent but my god it's just too good for its rarity level (Imo).
Ngl, I think the rarity of Coxcombed Clapper and All Seeing should be swapped or at the very least All Seeing should be nerfed/reworked somehow.
To everyone saying Wraith is weak, basic and if you're losing to him you're bad just stop it. You're underselling him on purpose. He's incredibly strong since his buffs and he's an amazing killer and lots of fun to play as. His add-ons are all really cool and unique. I love running just about all of them, he has great diversity in that department and I'm pretty sure if All Seeing Eye was nerfed or reworked he wouldn't change in terms of his viability.
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Im talking about the red ones mostly here
And like i mentioned they usually have some for of drawback, condition to work or arent that strong to begin with.
Both of those Wraith addons are strong and have no drawbacks, one isnt even red despite being on par with them (better in some cases)
For example the Brick requires you to be on the sprint for at least 2 secs, and getting someone from a far sprint isnt exactly easy.
Or Mint Rag has a CD to use it.
Get what i mean?
And regardless theres a bunch of other addons that do deserver to be look at, such has Rusted Shackles which is basically red quality.
But right now we looking and Wraith, both of his addons are too strong, simple has that, and while 12 meters doesnt seem like much, you have to consider how fast Wraith is like 80% of the time which massively compensates for the sorta short distance.
Besides most killers need an addon pass, Legion being an example, two of thier addons became completely useless after their changes to Deep Wound
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They are still strong addons without drawbacks from that list, iridescent addons are allowed to be strong, and I think the addons at the end of the day are still perfectly fine because its still wraith at its core.
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Maybe switch the rarities of the iri gen aura reading add-on and the All-Seeing Blood? It would be closer to other double-iri add-on combos other killers have.
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All-seeing is just fine..
Wraith is just balanced the way he is.
This is literally a Nerf his addons post.
By taking away any decent addon. you're outright telling me that a killer should just be afk at the start of the game so you can get a easier time escaping..
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For silent bell I don't know cause it's an iridescent so maybe it's fine? but it is really good... but it's an iridescent. I don't know hard to say.
For All seeing blood I think it's fine. From what I experienced all seeing blood doesn't really do anything against good tiles/ good survivors.
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It's called 'Being Vigalente'. Wraith still has audiable breathing and footsteps.
Because I'm a Spirit main I have no trouble listening and hearing other killers sound queues.
Scratch Mirror Myers: Literally sounds like he's on a breathing machine
Ghostface: when he's nearby he sounds like wind.
It remy sounds like you're upset that you didn't get a 32m heads up and because you lack the ability to be vigalente
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Spine chill is your friend against stealth killers and is very useful even against non stealth.
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Are you crying over a C tier killer?
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I mean it's very powerful and survs stands no much chance against it just like stridor spirit before it's nerf
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i agree it’s way too much. the speed while cloak, the boast when he uncloaks, the silent bell AND aura reading??? OP ASFFFFFF
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a) Nerf Killers that are allready B-Tier or worse
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b) Learn to loop
It's not like, Wraith is a invisible bubba that can down you with one hit. Good players have no problem to outplay him.
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Honestly that is a lot of bp to spend for one game so the Killer should be strong. Its like a two man swf bringing two brand new parts.
The add-ons are fine and actually mean he can be countered easier because he does not have extra unclock speed or faster movement/action speed. Just be aware of your surroundings and dont try to hide once you realize they likely have the aura reading.
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Most famous build is Ruin / Sloppy / Bamboozle. Most Wraith doesnt try to loop. They uncloak at your Gen, hit and go away.
- You heal through Sloppy 19sec (with Medkit) or 38.4sec (Selfcare) and Ruin depletes your progress.
- You continue on doing Gen, if your Gen near a windows, Bamboozle. If your Gen on dead zone, .
Wraith who attempt on full chase isnt powerful since he can be looped. Though Wraith doesnt play like that.
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Any killer's 2 strongest add-ons, when used together, can be "too much"... for an average Joe. There's pretty much no 2 add-ons in the game that, when used together, are completely unbeatable. 2-iri Trapper, best add-ons Nurse, best add-ons Spirit, you name it.
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no, seriously leave wraith alone
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It's very strong, but so is four survivors bringing brand new parts, strong toolboxes and Built to Last etc. So..whats your point?
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But the thing is they are too strong. Killers should totally have strong addons but when a bunch of them are combined it creates a super sweaty vibe. Like do you really want to win that bad? Do you want a challenge? Silent bell on its own is fine but all seeing and SB is broken
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I'm gonna have to disagree on Amanda's Letter on the grounds that unlike All-Seeing - Blood, the Pig moves slower while using it (and has a smaller range), meaning you can't just leave it on while you hunt for people without just losing the game. If anything, that add-on needs its downside removed.
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silent bell isn't 'that' much of a problem the only wraith addon I have a problem with is the gen aura one...
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Which means new wraith with silent bell is stronger than old wraith with silent bell. And old wraith with silent bell was already strong enough for a red add-on. New is just opressive. Making him old wraith with silent bell is a fair deal
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All seeing blood + silent bell isn't overpowered. The type of people who won't run when they hear the heartbeat and see the red stain are the type of people you can catch with a loud bell anyway.
All seeing blood + purple shadow dance (plus bamboozle) is the true power combo. Fake the uncloak at every pallet, and half of the pallets in the game will be gone in the first 60 seconds. Try avoiding wraith with no pallets and windows blocked.
And the bestest power combo is purple shadow dance, uncloak-when-smashing-pallets addon, brutal strength plus fire up. Fake the uncloak, smash pallet, and you'll catch up with the runner before your mini speed boost runs out. That's the only build I've ever ran that caused red ranks to DC and rage afterward.
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