About the excuse people use to camp and tunnel....
Now before you comment, I acknowledge that tunneling and camping is a viable strategy. For the most part I don't really hold it against anyone who does it, but jeez this particular excuse has been getting on my nerves lately and that is "my objective is to kill the survivors." No, its not. The game very clearly states that the job of the Killer is to torture the survivors and after squeezing every last bit of hope they have then they can kill the survivors.
If your gonna tunnel and camp, go right on ahead, I don't care, do whatever you want but for the love of god stop using false information.
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It's not false, though? Their objective is in the name. Killer. Who kills people. How they go about it is up to them. Because they kill people.
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Did someone torture you and push you to create this post ?
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So camping and tunneling does not torture the survivors? What do you want me to do? Slug their bodies until they bleed out?
And the "my objective to win is to kill the survivors" is not wrong answer, same as holding m1 on a gen, both are true.
The game also very states that survivors should hide when they hear a terror radius.
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I dont know, you sound pretty tortured..
Besides that, if i play killer, its my job to kill. I dont care what you say or think.
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Survivors gen rush and when the killer complaints, survivors tell him "just apply pressure".
Well, as a matter of fact, tunneling someout out early applies a TON of pressure.
So uhh THANK YOU! to all the survivors that recommended applying pressure. You really helped making this game a better place.
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The problem with the arguments I've seen some killer mains using on the forums, is that if you use the same logic but "survivor sided" they don't like it.
Some killer mains say they don't owe you a good time, and they're not here to make your game "easy", but then will complain about "genrushing", looping, "pressing w", keys etc.
Double standards and victim complexes.
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As a killer main I support this message
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I don't usually like your post (No offense) as they are just wayyyy to far out in the Killers favor....even for me a Killer Main but this one is freaking hilarious. It really is what they say too lmao.
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The speed of gen is what makes tunneling happen. If the survivors are completing there objectives fast the killer then has to do the same. Idk what you mean about looping but there still are infinites that you just have to leave or waste 2 minutes to get the hit. Keys are really only a problem in swf
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The objective is to kill survivors. You can try and argue that getting the most blood points or pipping to rank up are the goals but those are just side objectives. If im not playing for blood points cause i don't need them or i dont care about an emblem system, that'll mean nothing in a few months aside from more blood points, then what else am i supposed to play for?
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People will say anything to justify any action in this game. I don't think any answer you get will be satisfying.
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Corrupt Intervention, thana, dying light, POP, Ruin. There's a lot of slowdown perks you can use.
Gen speeds are fine for solo q.
There hasnt been infinites for a long time now.
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Dude their objective is to stop all survivors from escaping. Don't pull this "technically" business.
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I mean, people who play survivor are more tortured when killers camp and tunnel so they are doing it the correct way, imma right??
Right?
Jimmy? Not the pitchfork again, Jimmy!!! I'm just joking, I'm still healing from last time! Not the my poop dispenser Jimmy ohhhhhhhh!!!
/joke
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And what if I don't want to run those atm killers also like to have variety in there builds. So if I'm running a build that doesn't have slow down perks I need a different strategy. I'll give you that they aren't ture infinites but badham and Haddonfield houses of pain, the main building in the one MacMillan level they are at lest 2 min chase for one hit because you can't mind game them they have to be brute forced.
Just so we are clear in most case I don't tunnel untell about 2 gens but once they're down to 2 someone has to go
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gotta ask yourself...what happens in game?
say it with me...in game the killer is trying to [blank] the survivors and stop the survivors from escaping.
i assume if you ever play killer and just happen to camp and tunnel it's to "get points" and let the survivors escape on "purpose".
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No offense taken. Even when i´m almost a survivor main (80/20).
It had to be said. The forum and after match comments were flooded with the "just apply pressure" messages. Some people simply didn´t think about what that could really mean. So here we are. Enjoying the beauty of doing exactly what survivors wanted us to do.
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There are killer sided maps too. Both sides have good and bad maps.
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Well survivor also like variety, but need kindred and bond for solo q, BT for camping killers, DS for tunneling. Etc.
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Removing hands from the generators makes the game easier going forward. While perma-death exists, this will always be a viable strategy.
Ergo, it is the killer's objective to kill survivors. Wither or not you agree is irrelevant.
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You don't have to run those you can switch it up it might be harder in some areas but thats how its supposed to be. Just like when I said as a killer if I go without slowdown im going to have a hard time keeping gens from popping so pressure has to be applied some how some where
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The Killer player wins by killing people. There's no victory condition for torturing the Survivors.
So if the Killer player's goal = To Win. Then To Win = To Kill. Therefore Killer's Goal = To Kill.
'Torturing the Survivors' is just fluff. By the mechanics of the game, the Killer gets the programmed win state by killing, not by torturing.
So 'I camp/tunnel to win' is a valid answer.
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This is false. The role, the tooltips etc. all say that the killer is meant to squeeze all the hope out of survivors, play with them, torture them, all before killing them.
The game's emblem system literally awards you for having longer and interesting matches. Quick matches or camping/tunneling ones usually hurt your emblems a lot.
And that applies for survivors too. Try to gen rush and all your other emblems are bronze/not existent.
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The game's WIN CONDITIONS are killing or escaping. The emblem system is a grade based on what you did in the match. You don't 'win' by getting all Iris and you don't 'fail' by getting all Bronze.
You win by escaping or killing.
You lose by dying.
The Killer's win/loss is more of a sliding scale of HOW MANY he killed. One could say he 'barely wins' at 1 kill to 'completely wins at 4' and only 'loses' at 0.
But the game's win conditions, as programmed into the game, are killing and escaping. This is a hard fact; the Killer does not 'win' if he tortures everyone to 2 hooks and 12 downs each, and then they all escape.
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You have clearly never played killer. If you camp and tunnel, you get way more suffering before they die. You don't even get post game messages when you cycle survivors to get everyone hook state 2 before going for a kill. You get someone out of the game in less than a minute? Wait until you see the sweet nectar they provide to the entity. The game has it wrong, I am much better at torturing them. This is why the entity contracts us to do the work for it, clueless suit has no idea how this business actually works.
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So, survivors' objective is to survive? Not to do gens, just to survive, that is to hide in grass and wait for the hatch to open, right?
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You don't need an excuse to tunnel and camp.
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Doing gens gets them out of the trial. Hence, surviving.
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Based on how people talk about tunneling and camping, it seems that killers tunneling or camping a survivor to death is already torture.
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I have more chances to survive if I just hide in the grass and wait for the hatch.
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Ok, but I mean you're literally and factually wrong though. The game LITERALLY tells you that as a killer your goal is to KILL the survivors. It says this both in the actual in game killer tutorial and on their website! So I mean no, our objective isn't to "torture" the survivors, it's to kill them. What you're drawing off of is what happens in the lore of the game, which doesn't translate to the gameplay objectives.
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I use SC/BK/Lithe/Filler (usually Kindred or Empathy for killer Intel) and escape most games.
I really don't remember the last time I was face camped. I get tunneled sometimes, but my random teammates usually seem to run bt/take aggro/take a hit for me.
Most of the time that I do get tunneled, I find myself acknowledging that it is the correct move based on the positioning knowledge I get from my info perk.
A lot of the tunneling/camping "complaints" I've gotten during recent games have been shot down by the better survivors in the match that recognize the whole game state.
Shockingly, in my last Leatherface game, a Steve ran me right round baby right round like a record player for close to 3 min, but only 1 gen popped thanks to corrupt - BBQ revealed a survivor cleansing a totem and 2 on a second gen. He got rescued and carried much of the game leading to a 3 man escape.
In the end game chat he said something along the lines of that I should have camped him out of the game based on what he saw on hook (and what I saw with BBQ) if I wanted to get better positioning.
Pretty sure the rest of the chat died from shock.
I'm honestly more than happy to lose to someone like that or to die from someone that thinks I'm a strong player on the board and wants to get rid of me ASAP (I've had some really wholesome chats with some of these players, but I really think that's because I don't take it personally most of the time).
There are people that will camp just to ruin a game or SWF that will grief, but these are in the vast minority (maybe 1 in 50 games for me).
Tunneling, Camping, and even SWF death squads are nowhere near as endemic as people say - if they really were, the game would not grow. People would not consistently play and support such a game.
The only constant issue that this game truly has, and it's certainly not a secret, is the weird mishmash of toxic and entitled attitudes that run rampant in this player base.
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The game very clearly states and implies that the job of the Killer is to torture the survivors slowly and after they've been drained of all their hope then they deliver the killing blow. Like I said in the post that people obviously misunderstood, I don't care what you or anyone does in this game but stop oversimplifying the objective of the game. Yes, you need to kill the survivors but that's not the only objective.
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No, not sure why you and some other people think that. I already stated that I don't care how anyone plays, just stop misunderstanding what the game tells you.
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No, it does torture the survivors but it's not how the game tells you do it, and that's okay, but if your going to go on the forums or anywhere else and state that the objective of the game is just to kill the survivors, your wrong. The game tells you to torture them slowly.
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The game clearly states that killing is the objective, on the website and in game. Going by your logic though its perfectly fine if survivors don't do gens and only hide and wait for the hatch since their objective is to escape, not to do gens, since you technically don't need to do gens to escape.
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Cool! Another person that misunderstood the whole point of my post. Not sure if you purposely or accidently didn't read it but I clearly stated that I don't care about how anyone plays, just stop using false information. The game tells you that your objective is to torture survivors slowly but some people ignored this and misconstrued it to "just kill the survivors." It's completely fine that most of the player base doesn't wanna listen to how the game tells you how to specifically play because it isn't fun being gen rushed and being forced to not tunnel/camp but don't go on the forums lying about what the true objective is.
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What? Did you even read my post at all dude? Don't reply if your not going to read it. Your bringing a completely different issue than what i was talking about. I'm saying that you are free to play however you want, just stop misunderstanding what the game tells you.
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If you escape a match, do you feel tortured and think something like ,,NOOOO fkkkk my life is so over nowwww!! i got hooked 2 times i will be depressed forever!!!"
I doubt that.
Killing is torturing. Thats the objective.
Not hooking.
Its no false informations.
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Honestly some of the arguments both sides bring up are dumb. But the point of my post was to tell people who are going on the forums and whatnot saying "It's the job of the killer to kill the survivors!" is partially wrong. Yes they have to kill the survivors but going by the games lore your suppose to kill them slowly. But whatever, no one's really gonna listen to what the game is gonna tell you to do and that's ok, I just want people to stop misunderstanding what the game tells you.
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People have told you; lore does not translate to mechanics. The game's webpage flat out says the Killer KILLS.
You're using lore to justify telling campers they're wrong. But the lore does not drive the mechanics. What happens in the lore means nothing. This is just a flimsy excuse for you to say 'You're wrong', but it's you who are wrong.
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The game's lore literally tells you flat-out that the Killers are suppose to kill the survivors slowly as to draw out as much hope from them as possible to feed the entity. Going by the lore, if a Killer were to kill a survivor within 2 minutes of the match every Survivor in that trial would lose hope, which would starve the entity. Because of this Killers torture them slowly. But once again, that is lore and that's much more different then how the game plays out, so because of that I don't care about how you play, you should play however you want, but if your going to say that your objective is to only kill the survivors, going by the games definition your wrong.
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I think you're looking too deeply into this, bud.
Besides, if I camp you, and your team blitz's gens and leaves, that survivor I camped lost all hope. Thus, I did my job.
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Oh my god, have you read the post at all dude? Any of my replies? Wanna know what's in almost every single one of them that you keep ignoring? I DONT CARE ABOUT HOW YOU PLAY. I camp and tunnel to as Killer, but the whole point of the post is that you keep missing is that if your going to tell people in an argument that the objective of the Killer is just and ONLY to kill the survivors as fast as possible, you are wrong. I know lore =/= gameplay stop using false information. Everyone should feel free to play however they want, but not use false information.
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So Lore != Gameplay now, but you still want to justify saying that killer's job isn't to kill because of Lore.
At this point it's more that you'll never be satisfy with any answer that isn't agreeing with the opinion you've already set.
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You're confusing the in game lore with the actual gameplay objective of the game. The lore says one thing, sure. But the game literally tells you that killers need to sacrifice survivors, and the survivors objective is to hide and escape. Your using the whole videogame logic argument here for why in other games I need stab/slash/shoot enemies multiple times to just get 1 kill. If we're going by lore then the majority of games out there are wrong on everything.
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Sure, play however you want, just don't go on the forums and say that the game wants you to win as fast as possible because it doesn't, but just because it doesn't, doesn't mean you can't play however you want. I keep telling people that I'm fine with camping and tunneling, just not the false info.
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The game's lore does not drive the game mechanics. You're thread is nothing but you trying to say you're smarter than everyone else and go 'But the lore!" when people disagree.
The game, itself, says the Killer's goal is to kill. ######### the lore. The lore means between 'jack' and '#########' and jack left town. No, people are not wrong 'because the lore'. YOU are wrong.
You're trying to judge people, then say 'Oh, but I'm totally not judging. Also; you're wrong.' and 'I don't care how you play, but you're wrong'. You're trying to be the smartest person in the room. That's why you made this thread.
'I don't care if you camp, but you're wrong'. Is what your thread is. It's nothing but an ego wank. But guess what?
The. Lore. Means. Nothing. The GAME states the Killer kills. YOU ARE WRONG. The lore does not make you right. You. Are. WRONG.
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Ok, copy and paste the message where I said that it's not the Killers job to kill. It is, but the way to reach it is specified very differently in game. I've said this more times than I can count and at this point I'm not sure if I'm being baited but the the game says you have to play one way, then its ok if you ignore that way, but if later on you say that the game wants you do something else then what is actually being specified, your wrong. Go ahead, camp, tunnel, slug, as long as it's not using 3rd party cheats then its ok, but don't use false info.
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