NOED

If this is sarcasm then the joke's on me but - you are right. The game SHOULD be killer-sided. Escaping is much more satisfying when it's tilted against you, not survivor-sided. I've seen numerous posts claiming it to be both either or (which is fun to read), but I want it to be difficult to survive. That's me!

Or it punishes survivors who decided not to do bones

If the killer is playing poorly, you've got plenty of time to do bones. Run one of the perks, bring a map, or risk getting killed by a "bad" killer running a perk that you gambled and lost on countering.

You’ll get used to it and adapt, OP. To the point where you’re like the rest of us working on the final gen and you say to yourself: “I bet this scrub has NOED. He feels like a NOED killer.” Sure enough when you that notification pop up on the right as he downs one of your teammates, you just roll your eyes. If you yourself fall victim to it- you’ll just let out an “of course.” You won’t even care any more. True story. Just keep playing.

If you want talk about perk that reward a player for playing poorly have you check at DH and BT for example both of those perk reward bad play from the survivor.

Just use a map or a perk to counter noed if you hate the perk that much you may say the perk reward bad play from the killer but i can say the perk reward the killer for the miss play of the survivor because they refuse to do totem and focus all their energy on gen. If like you say the killer have 2 hook and noed pop on 1 survivor you can still have 3 escape or try finding the lit totem for a 4 man escape

Here is an idea: NOED doesn't give insta downs, but instead makes it so that every survivor is dead on hook during EGC, and it won't affect those who are already on the hook by the time it activates. This way it still remains deadly, but good survivors actually have a chance to avoid it by not getting downed.

Dead hard reward mistake and for a perk that work only 1 time i can see the same survivor using it at least 3 time per trial and i can do the same with it and BT reward unsafe unhook because they because automatically safe even if you unhook while you get chase.

Compare to NoeD those perk are worse but people like to complain about NoeD because they dont like doing a side objective in totem and they dont want to use a spot in their loadout for a totem perk or item so they continu to complain about NoeD in the hope the dev destroy it

As others 10000000 threads say, do totems, say goodbye to noed. Wanna stay on gens 24/7? Fine, then expect noed.

I think most people just really hate NOED because it rewards awful killers with cheesy kills. Especially in low ranks. Imo it's a very poorly designed perk. When playing killer I never equip it because it just feels so cheap and unsatisfying getting kills through NOED. NOED just screams "I'm bad at the game so I need some crutch so I can kill people and say ez in endgame chat". People say "just do bones" but that's really hard when you are on a map like Midwich. Also against actual good killers you don't have enough time doing totems. If me and my friends play survivor we almost always totem hunt but it's sometimes not possible vs opressive killers.

I can understand however that some survivors say they don't have a problem with NOED because it often creates exciting end game scenarios but more often than not it just rewards a bad killer. I'm not saying it's not balanced or OP because it's not, but it's just poorly designed.

I REALLY like this idea! It would still be a very dangerous perk but prevent a good survivor from getting instadowned and die on 1st hook in the endgame.

It's not hard to do them bones. Its already way too easy to gen rush, what the devs need to do is to longer the time it takes to rush 1 gen, maybe then we can talk about NOED

I would argue that if the killer gets only 2 hooks while 5 gens are done, the game was unbalanced at the start because the matchmaking screwed up, because obviously killer and survivor weren´t in the same skill league. It that game works that way, why should it be bad to even it out trough noed? Especially if the survivors are that dominating, they should really easily find the time to do some bones.

Getting that person off hook and escaping while NOED is up is some of the most satisfying ######### ever

So do many other items and perks. Survivors play poorly? Well, lets press E. Teammates die fast? Well, let’s use a key even if the killer has a great 3-4 gen

You're kind of contradicting yourself there. If it really screams "I'm bad at the game so I need some crutch so I can kill people and say ez in endgame chat", then why did you proceed to complain about it being used by good Killers? I do agree that Noed's design is problematic but I'd argue that removing or nerfing it in the game's current state would be worse then if we kept it. I'll do my best to explain why.

1. The game isn't actually over until all the Survivors have left or died so it technically isn't rewarding Killers with cheesy kills more then any other insta down perk. The Killer has to be losing (keep in mind that I said losing and not lost) for Noed to come into play so good Survivors can often mitigate the effect by splitting up.
2. If Survivors split up all throughout and are at least semi-competent at chase then gens will fly. 3 genning is pointless against these kinds of Survivors because 3 gens are not that great if at least one Survivor is on each of the 3 gens. The Killer could try to pressure them off but inevitably, the final gen will get done. In such a scenario, Noed genuinely might be even a good Killer's only hope to get at least a 1 or 2K.
3. If Survivors know what they're doing then the Killer will only will get one extra kill because of Noed. If the Killer manages to get any more then it was because Survivors got cocky at the end and positioned themselves very poorly.
4. Survivors also have a handful of perks which provide immense 'free' value i.e. Sprint burst, Dead hard, Unbreakable as well as a few others. Survivors don't have to 'earn' any of these perks and similarly to Noed, they can single-handedly turn the tide of a game. So, why is Noed deemed problematic enough to be changed but not these perks?

Honestly, that might be worse. It does prevent the possibility of snowballing with Noed (Which could be avoided anyways by remaining split up) but it makes it even worse for the individual struck with it. Imagine looping a Killer all game and then, the last gen pops and the Killer downs you. You didn't get hooked all game but that doesn't matter because you were caught at an unfortunate time and therefore instantly die. At least with the current Noed, the Killer has to camp out the kill if they haven't hooked that Survivor yet. That buys the team time to cleanse the Noed and coordinate a save. With your Noed idea, the individual Survivor would just instantly die. I personally think that this would just make Noed an even more problematic perk overall. It would be significantly weaker, but at the same time, it would be more frustrating for the individual struck with it. I understand the desire to make the perk healthier for the game but I definitely don't think this is a good change for the game.

Up next, hatch and keys!

Followed by this killer is boring/unfun please rework/nerf with a side of "swf is op"/"soloQ is hell".

Bring totem perks, they'll help out with both NOED and Hex perks, you don't need 4 chase perks.

They should make more perks like NOED honestly, ones that only activate when all gens are done and tied to a totem. Having the lethal risk of these perks SHOULD incentivise either totem perks being used or just totems being cleansed as a secondary objective but one perk alone (NOED) should not have the power alone to create this gameplay as it's too overbearing and, like old DS, does need a health update.

I'm hoping boon totems slightly help with this, spending time injecting them with perk juice to claim one for yourself to help mitigate potential NOED would be nice if that's how they work.

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