Increase survivor bloodpoint reward

the thread has honestly shown me just how toxic so many killer mains are. 

like literally arguing against something that has absolutely no affect on them just because they don't want you to have it. 

using the same tired line that so many use... If everyone goes to play killer to get more BP, you will have a harder time finding rounds. 

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
again items and add ons for survivor is not guaranteed to survive and items and add ons for killers well the item is your power which i can argue does alot more for than my item and the add ons are so much more powerful then our item add ons so when items/power and add ons are given equal power then they can be one use. and no its not a 1v4 for me its a 1v1v1v1v1

LoL, survivor items are pretty much overpowered considering their items should do far less since it's 4v1.

You have friggin instaheals while insta-down addons on killers usually have heavy downsides like for example myers who takes forever to stalk to tier3 with the unlimited EW addon while you can just pack in a brown medkit with the syringe and have an instaheal.

Toolboxes save you 20 friggin seconds per gen if you equip them for speed.

Maps make Hexes redundant altho good maps are pretty rare.

The key with addons is a potential 4man free escape if you play against a killer that has an endgame build like freddy.

Also killers are still weaker than a good survivor unless you're playing nurse/billy.

4v1 but i cant kill the killer? also intaheal is one use while a myers lock of hair gives unlimited tier 3

There's also the fact that killer addons don't always disappear after being used. I know they are supposed to, but they don't a majority of the time. I've used the same Iridescent King 5 matches in a row without a ward, and sometimes I get to use it even more than that.

Malakir said:

I haven't for example but just the fact you say killers get double or triple bp compared to survivors it's bs

True, when I play killer I get around 50k but when I play survivor most of the time I get more than the killer, especially surviving the trial. Many times I got 23k and the killer less than 20k

Plus I harvest chests getting free stuff and taking them with me while as killer I always lose add ons. I think you might need to improve as survivor if you get 1/3 of a killer BP since it doesn't happen anymore to me. Only when I was new to the game I saw that

some experiences may vary, but I have to agree that I tend to get a lot less than killer whether I survive or not. On average I would say anywhere from 14k to 20k. And more often than not that's at least two and a half gens, healing a teammate, maybe healing myself, and at least one hook save, usually two or three.

meanwhile I will, yet again, point out that an increase BP for survivors has literally NO effect on killers... it's not like we want anyone else to get less, we just want survivors to stop getting crumbs in comparison. 

the lesser amount of BP is one of the big reasons I play killer way more than survivor.

SiftHeadsDude said:

I know this might generate comments such as “git gud” and such haha, but playing as a survivor gets you so much less than a killer. Surviving and doing good nets you like 15k max, dying and doing good about 10k. Doing bad still less. Being a bad killer gets you at least 20k though and it keeps going up if you do good. I feel playing as a survivor is such a chore if you want to get serious bloodpoints, it makes more sense to just spam play the killer. I feel they should increase/add a reward for straight up finishing the game, or split it between completing the game and the struggle phase (to discourage intentional suicides)...thoughts?

If you only got 15k you did not do good. There's more to playing survivor than just getting out alive you know. Gen rushing then running straight out of the exit will net you less points than antagonizing the killer, healing allies and searching chests, even if you die. Take the time to do other things if you want more points. A perfect game gets you 32k points. 

I've been playing killer more just because of blood points. You just get so much more on average. And those saying killer is harder? Yeah in some cases it is, but you also don't have to worry about your teammates being total A**hats. Bringing the killer to you, getting knocked down in less than 20 seconds forcing you to go save them, messing up your gens. Body blocking you all kinds of crap that will shorten your life. Playing as the killer you worry only about yourself. You do poorly? Oh well.

Getting points as a survivor is completely rng, and to be honest I prefer stealth a lot more than I do being in active chases and antagonizing the killer. I may do 3 gens on my own, and manage to escape and get hardly any points. 10-15k. So unless I have the opportunity to go in for saves/healing. And get into chases with the killer, usually with me needing to seek them out I'll get nothing.

Playing as killer I barely have to do anything but a few chases and hooks, (even though I'm very proficient at killing most of the time) I'll get like 30k+ doesn't seem fair. And if you want you don't even have to put in that much effort. Patrol the gens, knock down a person or two hook them. You pretty much have surpassed a survivors blood points. And sorry that isn't that difficult. And if you wanted to argue time, do some casual patrolling like...really casual, tunnel if you want. The survivors will finish the gens, they will open the gate and you should be able to force them to leave (sometimes) and the game will be over quickly. I mean the biggest complaint is gen rushing right?

Of course you'd had no problem. Survivors are not dependent on their Items and their Add-ons unlike most of the Killers.

Ouch

@MhhBurgers said:

@Avariku said:
TheHourMan said:

SiftHeadsDude said:

I know this might generate comments such as “git gud” and such haha, but playing as a survivor gets you so much less than a killer. Surviving and doing good nets you like 15k max, dying and doing good about 10k. Doing bad still less. Being a bad killer gets you at least 20k though and it keeps going up if you do good. I feel playing as a survivor is such a chore if you want to get serious bloodpoints, it makes more sense to just spam play the killer. I feel they should increase/add a reward for straight up finishing the game, or split it between completing the game and the struggle phase (to discourage intentional suicides)...thoughts?

If you only got 15k you did not do good. There's more to playing survivor than just getting out alive you know. Gen rushing then running straight out of the exit will net you less points than antagonizing the killer, healing allies and searching chests, even if you die. Take the time to do other things if you want more points. A perfect game gets you 32k points. 

if you want more BP then don't finish your objective and escape... you know... the main goal for survivors. 

instead you should stick around so the killer can get his 4k... 

makes sense.

The main goal of the survivor is to get points in each category, escaping is a bonus just like killing more than 1 person is a bonus. Do I like this new system? No but it's what it is.

part of the problem is that surviving is 5k points in the survival category, while there are very few other ways to actually get points in said category... So 1/4th of the survivors entire possible bp for a match will usually be broken down into either zero, a few hundred, or a bit over 5k. Even self healing skill checks count for Altruism instead of Survival. I think part of the reason it brews so much salt is because of that black hole of a category.

If survivors had better ways to get more points across all 4 categories, I feel it would help with both toxic play and attitudes among survivors substantially. It compounds with the size of the grind (especially for newer players who have yet to get any meta perks for either side) and just causes bad attitudes to fester.

Semi on topic. I def want more Bloodpoints from some of the Daily Rituals.  Getting ones below 30k feels too low and yes rerolling them is a thing, but still feel with how the grind is, that we could make 30k baseline for Rituals

@TheHourMan said:
SiftHeadsDude said:

I know this might generate comments such as “git gud” and such haha, but playing as a survivor gets you so much less than a killer. Surviving and doing good nets you like 15k max, dying and doing good about 10k. Doing bad still less. Being a bad killer gets you at least 20k though and it keeps going up if you do good. I feel playing as a survivor is such a chore if you want to get serious bloodpoints, it makes more sense to just spam play the killer. I feel they should increase/add a reward for straight up finishing the game, or split it between completing the game and the struggle phase (to discourage intentional suicides)...thoughts?

If you only got 15k you did not do good. There's more to playing survivor than just getting out alive you know. Gen rushing then running straight out of the exit will net you less points than antagonizing the killer, healing allies and searching chests, even if you die. Take the time to do other things if you want more points. A perfect game gets you 32k points. 

32k as survivor? Are you shitting me? Getting more than 20k is ######### crazy as survivor.

@Negi said:
Killer basically gets all his points from trying to down survivors which is a singular task, survivors have to juggle 3 different tasks to get points and doing one means you're not gaining in the others. Besides that, there is no good way to gain survival points except escaping, there definitely needs to be less emphasize on that and more on actually having ways to steadily gain them.

You can earn plenty of points many different ways as a survivor even without offerings provided the killer doesn't find you 1st and cmap you. Well that an if you're not grouped with the worst potatoes on the planet and facing a really good killer.

1.Cleanse totems since that's 600 per and 1k for hex totems and that adds up quick.
2.Search chests since not only can you get a good item possibly but you get points just for searching it.
3.Do SAFE unhooks since that's worth a lot of points and do healing both yourself if no one's around or team mates.
4.Take hits for someone for the distraction points as well as the altruism points.
5.Work on gens since even a little bit or progress spread across multiple gens adds up.
6. There's lots of ways to get points and it just takes time to learn all the different ways to do it.

Here check the official wiki link that @DocOctober maintains and keeps up to date since it has great information and breakdowns.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Bloodpoints

RSB said:

Killers can't keep their addons after the match and find one during the game, survivors can, that's why they earn less BPs per match, BUT more per hour of playing.

Plus the killer works his ass trying to down survivors, while they hold M1 or mindlessly loop, but that's a different story.

For the past 4 seasons i have been maintaining my survivour and killer to rank 1 granted rank dosent indicate skill entirely but it does support that i have spent my time playing a good measure of both. Survivour is not a simple hold w gameplay as many killers make it sound. It is if your rank 20 - 15 but in high ranks you are constantly being mindgamed at pallets, attempting to make safe rescues around aggresively defensive killers and rushing gens before the map becomes hollow of defenses.

Each killer has their own unique approach to looping that a survivours can't mindlessly loop. Hatchet dodging windstorm wraiths routing effectivlely around clown toxins and continously breaking line of sight around nurses. Claiming survivour is easy is a ridiclous statement that anyone who has even spent a moderate amount of time playing the role can easily dismiss espicially if you play without crutches. 

The problem with survivour bp gain is playstyles and objectives dont grant bp to other categories unlike with killer where for example a doctor who shocks then strikes recieves points for deviousness + brutality + hunting for being in chase. All of these actions are a process a killer will be engaging in regardless of the way you play your killer.

With survivour if you have to be the gen jockey its likely you wont get much points for doing gens even if you got 1 or 2 totems you would still have a low bp gain. If your in chase constantly its the same situation just boldness will be maxed and not much else. Survival is also a ridiclous category with no ability to meaningfully max it. 

As for items and add ons a killer enter a game with two add ons expeneded with likely bbq which is way more easier to stack then wglf. Survivours enter the game with an item + two addons. They might be able to keep the item but assuming a survivour wont die is ridiclous. They lose more upon death then a killer. Their perks are also priced the same which makes farming points for survivour best done through killer. 

Survivor needs its scoring categories reworked with points granted to multiple categories when doing an action that normally grants a bonus to one side. For example if im looping a killer and someone pops a gen while im in chase a scoring event will be granted to me called containment which grants objective points for containing the killer on top of the chase points.

For gen jockeys grants boldness points to the survivour if they are doing gens within the killers tr. As for altruism dbd has already gone in the right direction with assit points and such. An additinal point for survivour gain would be baiting point score event where whilst in chase with a killer whilst someone is hooked the survivour will recieve points in benevolence who is being chased. 

Finally a benolance point event for getting gens complete light waker would be granted. Dont get me wrong killer is the harder role and it is my preferred role but I'm against the idea that survivour points system should be so focused on a single action granting a single category award of points. 

Dragonredking said:

Like I said one billion time since the game release, if you want as much point as killer you should also accept losing your item/addon no matter the game outcome like killers

Why couldn't we're just change killer too so that there is ways to keep their add-ons? We could add duration to their add-ons and if they don't use it all and at least kill two people, they keep it.