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This forum is filled with shills
Any time anyone speaks out about the game, people just say, no your wrong your just bad or its only you. This forum will defend anything this company does. almost like they have a moral duty to defend the game against criticism at all costs, even if the criticism is warranted. And this is why the game will never improve, the game has only like 40k people online right now as of writing this, and the game has 364,000 very positive reviews on steam. i never see those numbers during peak times, that saids something about the design choices and the future for this game. In almost 5 years, Dead by daylight has done almost nothing to innovate the game and or change the playstyle.
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Just for you, I screenshotted a bunch of threads that are right beneath yours as of right now, just as they are so you don't accuse me of cherry picking. Out of the ten threads that managed to fit into a single screenshot, six of them are dedicated to complaining about the game, I even went as far as to mark them for you, since you somehow struggle on your own.
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You know that those 360k positive reviews:
- dont play all at the same time
- or maybe stopped playing at all
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Like, currently it is almost 1 PM in my country. People are at school, work, have other stuff to do.
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I think it depends. People are more likely to vent about their matches and how the game needs to change for them specifically, with others agreeing or disagreeing.
Complaints about the game itself and how Behavior manages it are less frequent imo, but they still do pop up. Most are about console performance these days, rightfully so. Other critical threads tend to get shut down by mods unfortunately, but people do at least get to share their opinions before they get locked. After said issues on console and the loss of the Stranger Things license, I'm sure a lot of players are frustrated even if they're not posting here.
In terms of shilling, the dumbest thing I've seen said here so far is that we need to be thankful to Behavior for having the game. DBD isn't a Christmas gift from a loved one lol It's a product being sold to us by a company. We have every right to voice our concerns, regardless of how they're presented, and they should be acknowledged. As (continuing) customers, we're owed that.
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"This forum will defend anything this company does"
Most people here would beg to differ, except like one or two.
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"Corporate shills" apparently equals "People that don't agree with me" in your mind.
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I think the point OP is trying to make is no matter how horrible a patch/gameplay mechanic/perk/character/ect something is there's always multiple people defending it(yes I know there's 10x more people attacking something for every 1 person defending it)
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You're a shill. There, I said it.
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this game get regularly criticized by the hour on forum. the most popular thread right now is complaining about optimization of the game, I would really like to see what you consider shilling. people come and leave the regularly so of course its not going be as high as the number of reviews.
>In almost 5 years, Dead by daylight has done almost nothing to innovate the game and or change the playstyle
that is a massive lie, DBD looks and plays almost completely differently from 5 years ago
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Honestly I’ve never seen a community who hates their devs more than dbd
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This dude hahahahah
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Same. Not that it isn't justified sometimes.
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I have fun playing the game. There are definitely issues and of course they should be reported. I would expect people also to post discussion threads about these things. The thing is, though. They're discussion threads. Discussions aren't always just everyone nodding in unison.
So when people post things where I think it's getting a little egregious that there's a LOT of complaining or the particular thread seems like it's off on the wrong track as far as it's complaint, I will comment in a way that I am sure some thing of as 'shilling' for the game or company.
Sometimes, I come to realize that I was over-enthusiastic in the wrong direction, but that's fine. It's just discussion. You can always tell how ripe (or maybe rotten?), a community is by the quantity of "complaining about complaining" or the quantity of "complaining about those who don't agree with me" posts...
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I mean, lets assume for the sake of simplicity that everyone plays 4 hours of DBD every single day. With a 40k online playerbase(steam players only), that means there are 160k unique players playing every day.
that's not taking into consideration of the following:
- not everyone plays 4 hours a day, quite a lot of people only manage 2 hours a day.
- not every region has a similar amount of players(which is why the player graph is a wave rather than a straight line)
- not everyone plays everyday, that could mean player 1 plays 2 hours on monday, player 2 plays 2 on tuesday, player 3 2 on wednesday etc. meaning 2 hours every day are taken by 1 player on each day, but are 7 players in total
So as a rule of thumb, you should assume 10% of the total playerbase can play at any given time, if not less.
Let alone that a lot of the criticism is based on misunderstandings. I've seen people complain about a gamebreaking bug remaining in the game for 1 full weeks, even though the fastest DBD can get a hotfix live is 2 weeks. If it's a map related bug, they can disable it quite easily. If its an addon or a perk, it's going to be a bit harder to disable without breaking more, as the addon or perk might not be the core of the problem. Meaning disabling them doesnt get rid of the problem as it could surface anywhere.
Then you have people complaining about balance. Well, there are a lot of different opinions on what certain characters should be able to do, and what's balanced. You have entitled killer mains who wont be happy untill every killer they want to play is capable of getting 4k's in a tournament setting without relying on the strongest meta perks, and entitled survivor mains who wont be happy untill they can get a 4 man escape against every single killer and build through vanilla mechanics. Both of these are valid statements, as both should be possible to an extend.
Then you have performance issues, well, thing is, you dont always know how a game will respond once it goes live. Especially not when the servers you test the game on are private where the public servers are dedicated. There is a case to be made that the core game needs a rework, and everyone on here would agree with you, but stating that it's unacceptable to have any performance issues when the servers arent even the same is more from a position from ignorance.
Then you have people complaining that DBD devs should stop making skins and fix the game, even though the cosmetic department and debug department are different teams.
It's not the fact that people complain, the fact of the matter is what they are complaining about. I found a bug where a toolbox lasts infinitely, with a purple toolbox, that means a survivor could do a generator in 30 seconds, alone. They would need to be lucky, sure, as it relies on RNG(and I am fairly certain because it's so heavily reliant on RNG, this bug has existed since 2016), but can you complain about that when it happens? DBD devs dont know about bugs untill a bug actually happened. There is no way of telling if code works unintentionally if it has been working as intended for literal months or years. Then you also have the thing where bugs are created simply by the way some things interact, and seperately they do not create the bug, but together they will. Or bugs that are mildly annoying, but when patched they will release a ton of gamebreaking bugs that collapse into a cascade of bugs.
Complaining is fine if it's actually based on something BHVR can do something about and either have refused to work on it(coughcoughrevampingthebasegamecoughcough), but complaining about things that are outside of their control is like complaining to your food delivery service that they delivered your food while it was raining.
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I mean, really depends on the complaint tho. If people complain that it takes too long for a patch to go live(which is often 2 weeks after a bug has been noticed, the absolute shortest time BHVR can update their game due to consoles needing to test the patch first before going live), they are simply wrong in their complaint. Nothing BHVR can do to reduce that 2 week timespan.
If people complain about balance, well, everyone has their own opinion on balance. It's why you have players claiming Trickster to be the absolute worst killer in the game, even though he easily outclasses half the roster.
If people complain about bugs and point to cosmetics, they are simply wrong. The cosmetic team and debug team are seperate teams. The cosmetic team can keep on pumping out new cosmetics without even influencing the speed of bugfixes. It's a moot point.(not even including that fixing 1 bug could create a cascade of bugs, so its better to keep the 1 bug and find another way to patch it, which is annoying, but simply happens)
I could keep on going, but a lot of complaints either fall under opinion or ignorance. The only 2 valid complaints could be made about the structure of BHVR as a company(it's why some killers recieve a buff/nerf within 2-4 weeks, while other killers take nearly 2 years to recieve an update), and the mechanics of the game itself.
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What forums are you browsing? The majority of posts here are people bashing things in the game and almost every comment agrees with those posts. There are even posts here who criticize the devs personally which is baffling. The fact these forums still exists is a miracle.
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I disagree. Most of the forum posts are complaining about the game. It's hard to know who here even likes the game anymore. Most of the time when people argue with someone's opinion it's because they think their idea is bad for the game, not because they don't think it's not an issue.
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Have you been on this forum at all?
No one here likes BHVR, lol. We all think they could do a better job at the game and they just don't.
Some of us are more lenient than others but no one here (unless they're very obviously new) are ever going to defend them for their ######### optimizations and balance decisions.
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Oof. “Clowning” indeed.
“Badum Tssss…”
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Hun, the most popular thing to do on this forum is complain about various aspects of the game. People complain here even when they've won every game for an entire month and their perk build, killer, favorite character butt, etc. is slated to get buffs. Even then the majority of players never even come to the forums. Also steam charts for peak times only tells part of the story considering the game is on pc, console, and mobile. Trust the amount of shilling is far less than you think.
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I may or may not partake in small amounts of tomfoolery from time to time.
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Game is consistently in the top percentile in terms of player population in Steam and has an extremely stable playerbase. Your inability to understand the game's success when the data is literally in front of you is a 'you' problem.
It's unfortunate that YOU seem to take offense at opinions that don't jive with your own and feel the need to attack/label people as a result.
I'd really suggest joining a debate club if you can, as this is among the weakest positions anyone can take on a topic.
I'd also suggest learning how to analyze things comparatively, too (ie steamdb stats) - your previous claims show a severe weakness in this field as well.
To emphasize, I'm not bashing you, but your approach to discussion and your attempt at presenting evidence.
As you can see by the preceding posts, a biased approach is quickly dismantled.
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It's unfortunate that YOU seem to take offense at opinions that don't jive with your own and feel the need to attack/label people as a result.
One time the OP called me "bad" with Huntress because I disagreed that her power was easy to use. He was like "you don't speak for other peoples' experiences" while calling my experience with her bad?
Edit: Ah here we are
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This is one of the most BHVR-critical DBD discussion areas online, what are you talking about? Christ, people tend to go overboard with it, like bad development decisions are somehow a negative mark on an actual person.
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This forum has daily criticisms from forum members. I can't imagine this place without them.
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You do know there’s like a ######### ton more people playing on console that doesn’t show up on steam right.
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Bhvr pays us to complain, I actually think console performance is great and adding 40 pallets to the game was a pretty cool manoeuvre
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We literally ######### about the game all the time, what are you on about
This forum is the complete opposite of dev apologists.
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Resident Evil Resistance was another, but that game was only developed for a few months.
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It's best not to get too defensive/actively engage with people like that.
All of the ranged killers have their own nuances, however small, that separate good players from ok players and take time to learn.
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oh great so we got hypocrisy
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I mean for me it's hard, as I'm quite a short-tempered person so I've had to bite my tongue a lot.
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I have not seen that, really. I see way more complaints than people pretending the state of the game is perfectly fine. I do not think you know what a shill is. In Pokemon Unite, those Nintendrones think that withholding the tutorial character that was available in the beta is somehow "good marketing" in a free to play game. It doesn't get much more shill than whatever the heck that excuse for logic so backwards that calling it backwards feels like an understatement.
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You haven't been here for long, i see.
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This is an attempt at trolling right?
People like the OP are why there really needs to be a block/ignore function on these forums.
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you all proved my point by standing against me, thank you.
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games like league have millions of active players and this has like what 40k?
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yeah
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You really think majority of people on here are defending bvhr?
You sure you're on the right forums bud?
They get slayed more than anything and called out on their bs for the most part.
Lmfao, can't believe you even said that. That gave me a good laugh I'm not gonna lie Hahahaha
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Well deserving of an upvote. Godspeed for the rest of the day, my friend.
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Usually the shills are on the discord
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No direct offense to you or anyone specific (or even this forum in general) but I think that there's way, WAY more negativity and complaining than any amount of defending. If it has to do with DBD, you name it, and it's been complained about. Probably multiple times this very week.
I think that a lot of the discussion goes the way it does - people being sassy, defensive, or sticking to certain opinions or attitudes or beliefs - depends a lot on how someone presents themselves. I see a lot of dismissive comments when someone jumps in with a generalized angry rant, but when someone calmly and intelligently tries to argue their point and invite polite discussion, people tend to be open-minded and receptive.
I mean look at it this way: I could say "This stupid game is broken, I'm leaving and I want my money back" or I could say "I had an issue today that was causing some problems, has this happened to anyone else". There's a pretty strong chance that the response to those two questions would be vastly different.
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