General Discussions
General Discussions
So is it bannable to not do gens?
I'm not talking about being slow or inefficient I mean legit not touching gens at all.
I just had a game where none of my team even went near a gen at all, 10mins into the match I'm still the only one to of touch gens and lead on chases. They're all just walking round the map not doing a thing
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that's called keeping the game hostage, so yes.
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Nope
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Nope. Survive and move on. It's my new mantra.
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Sadly it's not an offence since the Killer is still able to end the game
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Selfish Q, gotta love it.
Maybe, they were, "Just doing Bones"
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That relies mainly on what the game outcome is. If the remaining survivors in the trial decided to sneak around without touching gens, making the game really hard to finish since the killer might not find nobody in a long time that's called holding the game hostage. If someone is just taking a stroll while there's activity in the game that's just being useless/bad, not something reportable if it fits just being bad/oblivious at the game, as long as holding a game hostage doesn't end happening.
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If they were deliberately doing it to stop the game progressing then yes.
If they were just really bad and didn't do anything because they heard the terror radius for 0.5 seconds then no. As infuriating these kinds of players are, they can't be banned for being bad at the game
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If you die and they continue doing nothing for super long periods of time, then absolutely.
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- "Is camping/slugging/tunneling bannable?"
- "No, you play the game however you want, just have fun!"
- "Is playing immersive and not touching gens bannable?"
- "Of course! You always have to show yourself to the killer! You are not here to have fun, you are here for other players' fun!"
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Camping/slugging/tunneling is not holding the game hostage, which is the rule that is broken when all Survivors stop doing gens and hide indefinitely.
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Hiding is not taking the game hostage either: the killer can stop it any time by finding the survivors. Holding the game hostage is only literally bodyblocking survivors as a killer while the EGC can't start, only literally unending situations qualify.
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if they do it for an excessive amount of time, yes that is bannable.
its called "holding the game hostage"
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Mods, devs, etc. have already shot that claim down multiple times. Hiding indefinitely with no one doing gens and no Hatch/EGC in play is officially considered hostage holding.
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Even when the killer is right on top of gens and is refusing to move? Yeah, not wanting to die easily and not running straight into the killer's face should definitely be bannable. Meanwhile slugging the last survivor after the game is over until he bleeds out is not bannable at all. Totally no bias here.
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No I don't think that is holing the game hostage. Here is an example of holding the game hostage. In it the two survivors can't do anything as they are the only two survivors remaining and are being physically blocked by the killer from leaving the porch.
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If you and your teammates do not try to do gens then it is holding the game hostage
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Context is important. If the Killer is looking for people but they are hiding forever, then yes. If the Killer is just sitting on a 3-gen and making zero effort to find anyone, then no.
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Ban happy?
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If they just hide all game then perhaps. But if you just want to loop or run around doing nothing you could probably play for years without ever touching a gen and not be banned.
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Boring? Sure. Scummy? Maybe
But bannable? Cant imagine that. How should that be holding the game hostage? Find and kill them.
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Why is that? They are playing the game, they are not holding the game hostage at all. The killer still can find and kill them.
Exactly.
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Mods have already explained it: The Survivors can be punished if they are holding the game up for an extremely long time by spending all their time hiding and making zero effort to do gens (provided that the Killer is actually making an effort to find them).
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If it isn’t taking the game hostage, then it has to fall under Griefing and/or Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Refusing to participate in gameplay.
That’s just my guess.
On the other hand, they could just be bad at the game, like Rank 20 or something.
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Slugging a survivor to bleedout is 4 minutes
Survivors hiding all game and refusing to do an objective could take an hour to find, maybe more
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Makes no sense at all, but okay. When a killer is slugging them to death its fine but when survivors hide its not. Strange rules.
Its either all or nothing.
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Because slugging is guaranteed to result in death in four minutes if left alone. Hiding is indefinite.
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So survivors trying to survive is "refusing to participate in gameplay"? Interesting. I guess killers have to be punished for killing as well then.
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Survivors refusing to do their objective and purposely making it impossible for the killer to finish their objective don't try to survive, they hold the game hostage. If you touch the gens, then no, you aren't going to be banned. But when you don't touch gens AND you make it impossible for the killer to find you, you hold the game hostage. The killer can get out of the game only if they find you, and if you make it impossible for them to do so, then they are literallyally stuck in a game that neither them or you will finish.
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So lets assume the survivors have 3 gened themselve in a difficult spot, Ruin is still up and in between the generators and the killer who is the doctor is sucessfully defending the gens for a long time. Is this a valid strategy? Many will claim it is, since he is activly playing the game. But it is pretty much the same what the survivors are doing by hiding. Both paticiapte in the most passive way possible and both sides can drag out the game for a very long time period.
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It is as long as the Doctor is trying to actually find the Survivors in the meantime. If the doc is just sitting there and making zero effort in finding them, that is hostage holding on the Killer's part.
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Thank you.
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Is the killer in chases? Or are the survivors hiding the entire time? Because if that's the case, that's holding the game hostage and a bannable offense.
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It is not impossible to kill them: the killer can still find them. It's just some killers don't want to put effort in it, they want survivors to be suicidal and run straight into them. Playing immersive and using stealth is part of the game, that's why we have so many stealth perks. And the main objective of survivors is, believe it or not, to survive. If I run into a killer who refuses to leave the gens by an inch - I will die. If I don't run to him - I will probably survive longer. Yes, the killer has to go and look for suvivors, if he refuses to do so - it is him who is refusing to do his objective to kill, not the survivors.
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"And the main objective of survivors is, believe it or not, to survive."
According to the actual website, the main objective is to escape the map by finishing five generators.
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Why are they called survivors then, and not "escapists" or "generator maintenance personnel"?
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I dunno, because none of those phrases roll off the tongue well? Not that it's relevant.
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Yes but this can be claimed for pretty much everything then. The Doctor is protecting the gens and the best strategy would be to not leave his gens. Is the Doctor now forced to play suboptimal because its against these questionable rules?
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If the Doctor is actively not trying to advance the game, then the Doctor is holding the game hostage. Same goes for Survivors.
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Impossible? No.
Could take hours? Yes.
And that's why it is holding the game hostage.
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That is not answering the question. If the doctors is defending his gens by not leaving the gens (hitting or shocking survivors "away") it can drag out the game for ages. He is not activly hunting them down because if he would, he might loose the game. So it is a stalement pretty much. I had this situation where we were in a 3gen, ruin was up and the killer just defended.
I know this is very unusual, but looking at the survivor hiding example, its prettty much the same. They might not touch the gens (the doctor is not chasing the survivors) and they might drag the game out as long as possible (so is the doctor in our example) but one thing is a strategy, the other thing is bannable.
Whatever, its not a big problem anyway so i guess we a discussing here for the sake of discussing, but i find something like this a bit hypocritialy and biased.
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The answer is that the Doctor is supposed to play in such a way that actively progresses the game forward and does not hold the game hostage. If that means leaving a 3-gen to look for Survivors who are not around, then that is what it means.
"If the doctors is defending his gens by not leaving the gens (hitting or shocking survivors "away") it can drag out the game for ages."
This right here is enough foe the Doc to be guilty.
And who exactly is this being hypocritical toward? The doctor or the Survivors? Neither side is allowed to hold the game hostage.
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3 gens aren't bannable. Survivors hiding and not doing gens is because they don't gain any advantage in doing so. They prolongue the game up to an unlimited amount without a strategical reason behind.
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Yes, killer can be at every gen all the time. I had a game as a Nurse where 3 gens were all within 1 blink distance and 3 people remining. I was just standing in the middle and doing a single blink and hit whenever someone would touch a gen and then immediately blink back to the middle. After about 10 minutes of trying all kinds of distractions, they gave up and let me kill them.
In chat, they claimed that I refused to do objective and chase them. I replied that they refused to do objective and do gens. I only said it to shut them up, but I don't honestly believe that there is or should be a prescribed way to play and I don't care who said otherwise. The only rules are those specified in EULA that you are supposed to agree to before purchasing the game:
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"If the doctors is defending his gens by not leaving the gens (hitting or shocking survivors "away") it can drag out the game for ages."
This right here is enough foe the Doc to be guilty.
Thats exactly what i mean. A rule which would not allow the Killer to play the game (in our opinion or not is irrelevant) optimal should not excist in first place.
I am personally against draging out the game and hiding or camping a 3 gen is not fun in general, but it is still playing the game. In every scenario we talk about, the other side has the possibility to end the game. If the survivors play it good they can overwhelm the killer very fast and if the killer knows what he is doing, hiding wont help for that long.
Having a 3 gen and only defending them should then also be bannable. If there is a strategic reason behind it or not is completly irrelevant aswell, since it is subjective. Some survivors in the lower ranks might actually be even so scared they dont touch a gen. A friend of mine told me about his first games and he and his friends were so scared, they were not doing a single gen the first 20 minutes. Do they deserve a ban? If no because they are new to the game, how to even define or proof that this was purpose or not?
Anyway, the devs handle this as they want and like i said, situations like this are so rare, this game has probably much bigger problems.
Kind regards
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To be fair not doing gens is the ultimate NOED counter.
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I had a game on Red Forrest the other day where 7 minutes and 20 seconds into the game, I was the only person who had touched a gen. I ran up to the Clown and killed myself.
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3 gens or 5 gens don't matter. Smart or not strategy also don't matter. The allegation were the same: held the game hostage and not doing objective. It all depends on who you think is responsible for making a move and what takes priority.
Is killer suppose to defend gens or chase?
Is survivor suppose to do gens or avoid killer?
In my mind each one choses his own priority and there shouldn't be a prescribed way.
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If the Killer is intentionally not downing Survivors, the Killer is not playing optimally but rather preventing the game from moving on (which can be a punishable offense). If the Killer is actively trying to down Survivors, then they're not doing anything wrong by dragging the game out.
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Should be. Being a useless team mate should fall under sandbagging.
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I had a game on swamp almost last an hour because 2 survivors were hiding
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