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No point in spending money

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  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    I see one person who's aware of what "freedom of speech" actually means, and another who wants to spend money on a game they like. Which one is toxic?

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    sorry...

    make that 3 comments, i see the usual crew is in attack mode...love it, helps to keep this ttread up

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675
    edited August 2021

    What if their fun is in being toxic toward you?

    EDIT: To be clear, my point is that "fun" is subjective, and saying you want "everyone [to] have fun" is like saying you want a perfect utopia. Everyone's definition of "fun" is different. Some get their jollies by being #########, others by being hyper-competitive, others by playing casually with their friends. What you want, in practice, is your definition of "fun" to be enforced on everyone.

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    just before the mods decide to close and remove comments again....you know freedom of speech...

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    The third comment above your previous one is also your own. You may want to rephrase that.

  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Member, Administrator, Mod Posts: 18,619

    Please keep the discussion civil and on topic, thank you.

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,246

    Please show me what gives you the right to freedom of speech on a privately held internet forum... I'll wait.

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    thats the differnce between you and me....( and lots of other as seen in the last year and a half) i dont follow orders, i dont need someone to tell me what i can or can't say, do or dont.....need i go on? that a company like bhvr or a forum then feels it has to make me pay for breaking THERE rules by banning me or editing my comments....fine with me...you want more explanation or did i make myself clear enough?


  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,246

    No you didn't make yourself clear. You stated you have freedom of speech on these forums - which you do not - you never have and you explicitly agreed to the rules when you signed up to post on these forums. This is evidenced by the fact that any comment can be edited/deleted and that is well within their (BHVR) right as a private entity. You have failed to show where you have any freedom to speech here - but have shown willful ignorance to the concept of what it truly means.

    You are absolutely right you CAN break the rules, but there CAN be repercussions for such actions because you have no inalienable right to freedom of speech here. If you had such freedom then your comments could not be edited/deleted etc. It is a very simple concept that is rooted in basic American history.

    To the OP: I purchase what I want - when I want - I am a completist when it comes to DLCs, but as far as cosmetics - just depends if I play the killer/survivor and if I like/want that cosmetic.

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    here we go again....maybe you should learn aout consent in law..forced consent isn't consent. ccontract excist out of 2 party's agree on something, bhvr's game and this forum, forces a person to agree after they bought the product, or else they cant use it.


    but lets agree on 1 thing here...you're a great spokesman for bhvr ( behaviour) funny name he wink wink....

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    and by the way...thiis has more to do with the game then this forum....but this forum is a discussion forum right? people tent to have differnent opinions and as long we dont start name calling, there should not be a reason to remove/edit comments....from what i'm seeing in this tread, your comment is the first with an undertone...so dont feel sad or mad when people react ( like me)

    its just a discussion

  • toastcrusher
    toastcrusher Member Posts: 110

    i'm not going to continue in this discussion, OP made his point and its a valid point. Look at the amount of treads on subjects regarding toxicity....its just sad that this game witch normaly played is adictive as hell ( for me it WAS) is ruined by toxic games that made a leap in the last couple of days. the fact is that people dump this game and indeed will not spend there money on it anymore....i understand you cant keep everybody happy, but this is just getting out of control and its just sad, cause loads of fun gamers want to play a fun game....win or lose, and thats just not the case. Besides that, when they make there thoughts known on forums like this one, they always get attacked....and thats even more sad.

    i said my piece and wish you all, all the best.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    When I purchased the game on Steam, it quite explicitly said, in the store page, that it "Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA", with a link to said EULA. Why didn't you read it before buying?

    As for the forum, you can read the rules before signing up. Again, why didn't you?

  • JohnnyB87
    JohnnyB87 Member Posts: 96

    You obviously don't understand the product you bought into either. The point of the game is to get as many BPs as you can, not down all 4 survivors as fast as you can or get all 5 gens done as fast as you can. It's players like you that make this game a joke cause y'all think camping and tunneling is necessary, or gen rushing. let survivors gen rush, they will depip EVERY time, let a killer camp or tunnel and they will depip more often than not. If players in general didn't make up their own rules this game wouldn't be so horrible but killers and survivors players alike forgot what the point of the game is. This game will NEVER be competitive and the only "tourneys" change the rules of the game drastically.

  • JohnnyB87
    JohnnyB87 Member Posts: 96

    Quit saying the game was designed for camping and tunneling, maybe when trapper was the only killer, but ever since the game is very playable without the above fake strategies. Perks help killers just as much as the survivors. A lot of killers use BBQ which isn't useful on 90% of the killers. Playing for a 3 gen and don't worry about the other 4 gens will work almost every game and no need for camping or tunneling. The lack of knowledge in these forums is insane.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    The point of the game is to get as many BPs as you can, not down all 4 survivors as fast as you can or get all 5 gens done as fast as you can. It's players like you that make this game a joke cause y'all think camping and tunneling is necessary, or gen rushing.

    If players in general didn't make up their own rules this game wouldn't be so horrible but killers and survivors players alike forgot what the point of the game is.

    Do you see the contradiction here?

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,929
    edited September 2021

    Actually, you really should be the one learning law. Forced consent is still consent in terms of contracts, ie "Sign this waver removing liability from us or else you cannot use our product".

    Forced consent as in holding someone at gunpoint until something is signed, however, is where it becomes different. Were you threatened into buying and playing this game?

  • JohnnyB87
    JohnnyB87 Member Posts: 96

    What contradiction? The point of the game is to get BPs, there are no rewards for gen rushing, slugging, camping, or tunneling they all lead to minimum BPs and depipping.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420

    You're right about one thing, the lack of knowledge by you is insane. The devs themselves said it was designed that way, so go preach somewhere else.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420

    Oh I'm not dedicating any specific time to it, it's just a pop in and do occasionally type of deal.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2021

    Freedom of speech is a principle, just because it also happens to be a constitutional law in the US doesn't make it any less of a principle, maybe learn how to read a sentence and not jump to conclusions before you open you mouth. Embarrassing that someone who claims to know law can't understand basic grammar.

  • JohnnyB87
    JohnnyB87 Member Posts: 96

    Show me where they said it. I've seen every stream by BHVR and NEVER have they said that was how game was intended. Quit believing your own BS LMAO

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2021

    Here is a video of the community manager and game director reading off a list of things that are not bannable. Which by default makes it AS INTENDED, and take special note of the fact that they snark and laugh at the fact that people are reporting things like tunneling, camping, slugging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRFGT9JZZZo&t=79s

  • JohnnyB87
    JohnnyB87 Member Posts: 96

    Unbannable does NOT mean intended. Lmao May wanna rewatch and reread bannable offenses. If you prevent a player from playing the game deliberately then it is bannable. If you facecamp, that's bannable unless it's an end game necessity, tunneling is bannable if you're taking out a person at 5 gens undone but is allowed near endgame. Watch the RE stream kid, they even say autobanning, with vid proof, will be used to even more thoroughly get rid of these traits. And they use the words unnecessary camping and tunneling exactly. And yes, they ARE banning campers and tunnelers and sluggers with video evidence. I've seen it in action several times since RE came out. A cocky camper says they can't be banned and then within an hour after I turn in the video proof, many have showed me their 30 day+ bans for exactly what I reported.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2021

    I'd like to see those videos, because I have yet to see anyone banned for tunneling, camping or slugging. You may wanna rewatch it, because slugging, camping, and tunneling is NOT preventing a player from playing as intended, which is the entire point I'm trying to convey to you. They INTENDED the game to be this type of toxic.

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,246

    Nice try. It is common rhetoric to throw out the whole "Free Speech" claim wherever people don't like certain rules whether that be at their job, a school, and yes even an online forum. It's a cheap attempt at playing the victim and getting others to rally behind you because your "rights" have been infringed. The person my comment was intended for wasn't implying the principle of free speech - they literally were inferring that this new era of liberalism has taken away their right to freedom of speech. This is such a common rhetoric in the online community to incite divisiveness and pity for the "injured"/silenced party. It used to work - now it is just seen as yet another failed mechanic in manipulative behavior.

    You're right...I do know law - basic law that is taught in middle school. I also know psychology and easily identifiable victim mentality.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420

    That person was me, and you clearly don't know that you lost this argument when you assumed incorrectly, now you can claim anything you want but the fact of the matter is all you're doing now is backpedaling in a feeble attempt to hide the fact that you were wrong. Your tactics speak to lack of maturity, and I've seen it a thousand times from people who can't admit that they were in the wrong.

  • BabuDweet
    BabuDweet Member Posts: 556

    I get it like but if I'm enjoying the game then I'm gonna spend money on it.

    I understand why people wouldn't want to though, either way people are entitled to do as they please.

  • Tactrix
    Tactrix Member Posts: 420

    You're right, this is not a mandate, just an opinion. Everyone is welcome to their own decision.