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Fellow Solo Survivors - Some NOED Questions

Raccoon
Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717
edited August 2021 in General Discussions

1. How often do you see NOED in your games?

2. How often does it get you killed?

3. Do you cleanse totems?

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1. Probably 1 in 10 games in Purple/Red

2. Not very often, assuming it activates. If it's up and I can't find it after a cursory look (assuming I'm not running Hunch), I generally don't get downed unless I'm in chase/on the radar as last gen pops - I also have no issue being greedy and opening the gate/leaving if someone is hooked. I also have no issue stealthing in the endgame vs endgame builds.

3. I usually cleanse them as I see them. Generally 2-3 in an average game or a guaranteed 3+ if I'm running Hunch.

Comments

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675
    edited August 2021
    1. Rarely, if ever.
    2. Rarely, if ever.
    3. Yes. See a totem, break a totem.

    EDIT: Wait, #########, I'm sorry. I didn't see this said "solo survivors". I don't really play solo.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717
  • FancyMrB
    FancyMrB Member Posts: 1,250

    1. Maybe 1 in 10 games (rank 5-3 btw).

    2. Hardly ever :P

    3. Yes!!!!! I make it my goal to get all 5 totems every match. I bring DH or a map ^^

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,809
    edited August 2021

    1) Up until recently, not very often (1 in 15/20 games), however recently it's for some strange reason shot up to between 1 in 2 and 1 in 5 depending on the day. Ranks 5-1, depending on how close to the 13th it is.

    2) Actually, quite frequently, because teammates seem to be incapable of finding a glowing totem and I end up being chased for about 8 minutes. It's a miracle if that chase buys enough time for them to figure out that gens only take 80 seconds and they can look at a bush outside.

    3) If there isn't a hex totem already in play, and I don't have Inner Strength, then no I do not. I do, however, remember these locations for later in the trial. This is for 3 reasons:

    • If all 4 survivors are running around the map attemting to cleanse totems, with no communication on where and how many totems have been cleansed, then the game has been thrown. Instantly. Unless the killer is AFK there is absolutely not enough time in the trial for all 4 survivors to become dead weight as the killer continues to snowball more and more pressure.
    • If I am the only one cleansing totems, and I cleanse 4 and cannot find the 5th, if NOED then activates I will be unable to find the one hidden totem, which NOED is bound to. If no totems are cleansed, then there is an 80% chance of the NOED totem being an obvious one I have seen before.
    • It's very hard to cleanse totems when you're being chased
  • NoelleMina
    NoelleMina Member Posts: 638
    1. Not too much and not rarely either
    2. I’m usually the first one down
    3. Almost never, unless I just so happen to see the lit totem. If the game goes so well for us, that all we have to worry about is NOED, then I don’t mind dying
  • I_am_Negan
    I_am_Negan Member Posts: 3,756

    1) Once in a blue moon.

    2) When my team slams out gens in 5 mins.

    3) Always. When I see it I break it.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 4,387
    1. Not very frequently. Not sure of the exact tally, but I'd say around one in five.
    2. Personally, maybe one in three cases where it fires. Someone drops to NOED if it fires, in almost all cases, but it's not always me.
    3. It depends. I've spent some matches hard-focusing on wiping totems with the aid of DetHunch, but after a while I stopped doing that because it never works. Either the killer didn't have NOED and I wasted all that time, or I cleansed 4 and the killer got NOED anyway, and I also wasted all that time. I think there's been -one- instance of a 5-cleanse against a killer carrying NOED.

    If all 4 survivors are running around the map attemting to cleanse totems, with no communication on where and how many totems have been cleansed, then the game has been thrown. Instantly. Unless the killer is AFK there is absolutely not enough time in the trial for all 4 survivors to become dead weight as the killer continues to snowball more and more pressure.

    If I am the only one cleansing totems, and I cleanse 4 and cannot find the 5th, if NOED then activates I will be unable to find the one hidden totem, which NOED is bound to. If no totems are cleansed, then there is an 80% chance of the NOED totem being an obvious one I have seen before.

    These are exactly the reasons why I -hate- the 'do bones' meme. It is such a terrible counter to NOED, it often ends up actually making it stronger instead. Because as an addendum to point 3 of my questions above: I've shut down more NOEDs by saving totems for post-5, as NOED-traps.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717

    Looks like NOED is back on the menu, boys.

    Thanks for the replies so far.

  • VioletCrimes
    VioletCrimes Member Posts: 878

    1: I haven’t kept count, but I can do that. Maybe 40% of the time.

    2: Too often.

    3: Yes, and I run Detective’s Hunch or Small Game if Detective’s hasn’t come up in the web.

  • DemonDaddy
    DemonDaddy Member Posts: 4,167

    Rarely

    Rarely

    Every totem I see

  • JoByDaylight
    JoByDaylight Member Posts: 707
    1. Rarely see it. 1/20 games. Thank god.
    2. Someone will usually get killed by it. It wastes a lot of time when you play solo q.
    3. I try to remember the totems I see that are easy to spot. Hard totems to spot I usually cleanse to get them out of the game. This is so that if NOED pops I can quickly check on the easy ones.

    I have noticed that in a lot of maps the Hex totem tend to spawn in the same places or area. Have anyone else noticed that?

  • TatsuiChiyo
    TatsuiChiyo Member Posts: 712

    I took a week long vacation about a week and a half ago, soent most of it playing DbD. When I played Solo

    1) I think in the entire week I played ot happened about two or three times? That's when I of course made it to end game.

    2) Probably about 50/50 as it depends on a lot of things.

    3) I cleanse every one I see personally. Free points and less chance of NOED.

  • glitchboi
    glitchboi Member Posts: 6,023
    1. Not very often, but not very rare either.
    2. At least one person will very likely die to it, sometimes it'll be me.
    3. Depends, if it's a good time to do stuff other than gens, then yeah I'll crush that thing.
  • FancyMrB
    FancyMrB Member Posts: 1,250

    1. How often do you see NOED in your games?

    Maybe 1 in 10 matches.

    2. How often does it get you killed?

    Maybe 1 in 50 matches.

    3. Do you cleanse totems?

    All the time, probably why I hardly get hit with it ^^

  • VioletCrimes
    VioletCrimes Member Posts: 878

    So, I’m going to start keeping count of how often I encounter know it and how often it gets players killed. I’ll come back to you in like 50 games.

  • Negitive545
    Negitive545 Member Posts: 13

    1: Every other game

    2: I ususally die to it, and many times 1 more person dies trying to save me. I'm usually being chased when final gen pops, I get downed by NOED, sit on hook watching teammates try and throw bodies at the killer saving me. It's noble, but someone almost always gets themselves killed doing it.

    3: I cleanse hex totems when I see them, and I cleanse dulls when I want the 1k BP. If I was doing a 4-stack, then I'd cleanse for anti-NOED, but I'm very much of the opinion that NOED needs a rework. Solo survivors cannot efficiently handle getting 5 bone cleanses due to the fact there's no way to comunicate how many have been cleansed other than for 1 or more survivors to check and 5 bone remains.

    NOED vs a 4-stack is counterable and fair, but we cannot balance using exclusively SWF, yes SWF is a big part of the game, but balancing solely around it is a recipe for making it mandatory to have fun, which will spell the death of the game.

    I've had 3 goals for a long time. Down with Mori's (They fixed them!) Down with NOED, and Down with Keys. One more step is all we need.

  • DwightFairfield
    DwightFairfield Member Posts: 1,246
    1. I actually "see" NOED quite often, it doesn't normally come into play. I play red ranks and people are pretty diligent about breaking totems, and in the event it actually comes into play, the killer normally downs one person before the totem is broken.
    2. Almost never, I die because the killer actually kills me or my teammates are braindead. Had a few games where they stand at the gates just... staring at me. It's creepy. If anything its face camping that kills me more.
    3. I do cleanse totems, I'm a Dwight main and I get the most out of my lockers.
  • cyniChris
    cyniChris Member Posts: 207

    1) Rarely. Hell, I barely see it in SWF games either.

    2) Only if I'm the first one hit by it, which even then isn't very often. Teammates either leave or throw the game cos they gotta get those altruism points...

    3) If I see a lit one, or there's a dull on my way to a gen. It's not often that I go out of my way for them, but if I see one on my travels, it's gone. Exceptions would be when a killer has 1 or 2 hooks by the time there's 1 gen left. I'll look for totems then, unless I've already identified all 4 of their perks.

  • Alice_pbg
    Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,556

    1. How often do you see NOED in your games?

    1 - Can't tell. But it's very rare

    2. How often does it get you killed?

    2 - only when it activates on me and no one can get me or the totem. Otherwise, if I can't find the totem I just leave.

    3. Do you cleanse totems?

    3 - whenever I see them. Inner strenght gang baby!!

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717

    "3 - whenever I see them. Inner strenght gang baby!!"

    Aw, yeeee!

  • DeliciousFood
    DeliciousFood Member Posts: 464
    edited September 2021
    1. Semi-Frequently, depends on the hours and nationality (yeah, some regions have more toxic gaming cultures than others). I would say 1 every 5 games as it keeps bad killers in the ranks that satisfy their egos (red lol).
    2. Not too often, mostly because I won't feed a killer dumb enough to run it outside of some gimmick build I noticed. I'm rarely the first hit.
    3. If I'm running a build for it, yeah. Otherwise? No, it's a waste of time in solo queue, and time is precious when your idiot colleagues might fall to an equally stupid killer. If I don't run a map or small game, I can't keep track of what's been done and I won't comb through god awful map design to find them. Nor can I rely on my teammates to do the same.


    EDIT: I also don't cleanse because I make mental notes of where some totems are in case the NOED happens. I will say there is nothing more amusing than breaking a dumb killer's NOED and just remind them why they need it so much before I say goodbye at the exit gate.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717
    edited September 2021

    How would NOED keep 'bad' killers in the red ranks if they are playing poorly throughout the entirety of the trial?

  • DeliciousFood
    DeliciousFood Member Posts: 464

    Instead of getting entity displeased against the team of Pepega solos they can't keep up with, because they're not in the right rank, they instead get Brutal Killer or even Ruthless if they managed to score a kill or more. It's not uncommon for uncoordinated and silly solos to feed kills to a NOED killer. They'll still sometimes depip if they perform particularly badly, but most of them manage to get just enough in to secure a black pip. Which is all they need in a meta full of ruin/undying/tinkerer or any other heavy build combined with NOED.

    Make no mistake, the vast majority of killers I face that have NOED I can call it. They tend to have a similar playstyle which is often devoid of game sense. The times I'm wrong are usually 1 or 2 perk Andies that are learning a killer.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717

    Wouldn't Brutal or Ruthless require them to have an adequate number of hooks and other scoring events throughout the game?

  • DeliciousFood
    DeliciousFood Member Posts: 464

    No, because if they're being fed downs, they'll get more hooks. It's not uncommon for these killers to tunnel/camp someone out of the game too, making a snowball very likely with NOED. Note that this is as solo survivor where Pepega results are expected (from both sides). Usually it'll end up with Brutal killer, which still secures their rank, but the strategy I just mentioned is applicable by any moron with a controller/keyboard and can be reliably applied.

    These killers also have sweaty builds that drag the games long enough to get a few hooks and many 'chases' in, which help the score and make gatekeeper gain in value since the game lasts longer via slowdown.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,976
    1. recently quite often
    2. depends on the team, map, killer, my location and which totem it spawns on
    3. if I happen to pass by one and the killer isnt oppressive, sure, if the killer is already oppressive enough that I dont have time to do totems, no.


    But those questions dont really matter. What does matter is the following:

    How fair is an instadown with no cooldown/charge up, in a match where solo survivors cannot communicate which totems they have cleansed and any uncleansed totem guarantees it's spawning mechanism?

    NOED is unbalanced because of a lack of communication in the vanilla game. NOED is unbalanced because it punishes people, who do cleanse totems they see, more than people who never cleanse totems at all(if you do 0 totems, you'll find NOED faster than if you have done 4 totems).

    Add a ping system that communicates information to teammates, and NOED goes from problematic hex totem, to being completely fine, if not underpowered.