I can't stand this sweatfest.
The game is just so awful playing against four good survivors. Just is. Period. They know how easy the game is if you have working hands. I hope everyone that sweats every game enjoys their stay in high MMR. It is clearly what they want. They want to go against spirit, blight, and nurse with all the best perks every single game and at the same time waiting 15 minutes in queue. They think they are so good because they can hold m1 and w against 90% of the killers. There can easily be situations where you don't interact with one or more of the survivors the whole game. No wonder why people resort to camping and tunneling. You are given no other option. You cant physically walk across the map and "pressure" a gen. And heaven forbid getting one of the survivor sided maps. Might as well dc and hope mmr gets you out of hell.
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The object of any game on Earth should be to win.
And if trying to achieve the objective of victory isn't fun to you, then that game itself isn't fun to you.
Stop insulting other people for trying to accomplish the intended objective which makes it a game in the first place.
If you lose games and want to lash out, sure, go ahead. But understand that that's all it is.
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For the record, yes, DBD is major Survivor sided. Yes, there are strong Killer characters, and strong Killer players. But ultimately, Survivors should be winning any and every evenly-matched game.
However, that does not mean you call them sweatlords, or whatever. They're just playing the game as it's intended.
If they're BM'ing, that's another problem entirely. Call that out instead.
If the game design is the issue (which it is), call that out instead.
But ENOUGH with calling people sweaty, or tryhards, or whatever else. It's SO lame.
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DC probably doesn't influence your mmr. Or at least it typically doesn't in other games. Better to just derank a standard way.
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Or play, the game without caring if you win or lose, just do your best and have fun. I*f you lose, you will go down in mmr and end up where you should be once it all averages out. If they want to play sweaty, let them. The only one you hurt by getting upset, is yourself. Also, coming here to rant and insult people does not help your case. You hurt all killers by acting like that.
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I don’t think he really insulted them. In terms of “helping his case”, nothing matters. The devs don’t listen and don’t care. It makes sense to be frustrated.
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Change your mind set. Tunnel em and camp em if you want. Treat them like difficult npcs instead of other players. It really does take a load off. Best results are usually to run a ton of slowdown and tunnel someone out of the game first thing. Dont camp them, that takes too long. Just stay close as you can, wait for the unhooks. The game gets way easier from then on.
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I mean, if you play mean, they aren't even difficult npc. The issue I see with higher level killers is that they aren't comfortable playing really degenerate. If you basically burn the survivor rule book before the match begins, even good survivors will crumble. They would need to be a tournament grade SWF to handle that kind of pressure that proper tunneling, camping, and slugging could accomplish. Key word is proper. A lot of people seem to think you just look for the first guy you find and stare at him for 2 minutes. That's obviously not efficient.
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I guess it's back to hope for 4 stacks of bbq. All i can hope for
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No, not at all. Thats why I mentioned not to camp the hook. The sooner you move away from it, the sooner they'll unhook the object of your tunneling affections, and you xan get a little gen pressure in to boot.
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Seems like we should probably fix that fact then, otherwise why would killer players even play?
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It's very personal. I think much healthy way to look at it is: Game should be mainly fun. If it is not fun, then why even bother playing it? In the end, games are just games. Nothing rly serious compare to world out there.
I understand his frustration because I don't enjoy these "sweatlords" on both sides too. Also I wouldn't call it insult lol.
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Well... yes.
I've been pushing for changes for a while. But the fat bottom line is...
It's "good business" for Survivors to get easy wins. That's 1 unhappy Killer, but 4 happy Survivors. It's just math. And there will always be people stumbling into the Killer role and staying for as long as their patience hasn't yet exhausted.
It's scummy, but welcome to the new age of the video game industry.
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It's the opposite for me as killer main. My killer matches are great, but solo q is just miserable. I escape maybe 1 in 10 games. I barely play survivor and I'm matched with sweatiest all meta killers. Just head 2 games in a row against different Blights with exactly same build: BBQ, ruin, undying, sloppy. This gets stale very quickly. I'm not buying next rift if this ######### continues.
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There is a simple way i avoid tilting when these things happen as killer.
- Don't play to win, just play to enjoy the chase and have some fun
- (if you're on PC) ALWAYS type "ggwp all" in the end game chat....ALWAYS. Acknowledge the game was well played and move on to the next.
- Try to make peace with the idea that you are not going to catch everyone all the time. It's 1v4 and essentially 16 perks vs 4 perks. It's hard to manage that sometimes
- Try to make peace with the idea that sometimes people are just better than you. We're not gods that'll 4k every team or loop a killer for 10 minutes then escape.
- Play both sides as much as you can or want to. Killer is frustrating sometimes, survivor is often relatively chill.
- Enjoy these bananas, they're delicious. 🍌🍌🍌🍌
Just do the best you can to find whatever fun you can, getting frustrated and tilting just makes it all worse for you and drives you from the game.
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This post is just right.
Some people are better than you. So what.
Set up other "objectives" for you to make it more fun and worthwhile if that is your thing. I for an example like the BBQ game: 4 stacks BBQ are a win for me. Simple as that. I try it every game and it relaxes me quit a bit.
When I play Ghostface I messure my success by how many stalking downs I get and how much the survivor gets supriced by the angle I am approching from. When I play Bubba I messure it by the fact if I can get a suprice chainsaw while sprinting around the loop...and so on.
The fact that we still do not know when a Killer won a match also means that you can set you own wincons.
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Play some meme builds, maybe?
That way, if you lose, you have a good reason and if you win, it'll be all the sweeter.
Additionally: I find the game much more fun while I'm in character.
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It won't be good for business much longer if SBMM stays. Because killers aren't going to want to play anymore.
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Players who complain about sweatfests are sweaty themselves.
And it will be even more obvious the longer SBMM is active, I dont feel sorry for Killers who decide to run 4 Slowdown-Perks and the best Add Ons when they get really strong Survivors.
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Killers ALREADY don't want to play. And tonight, after going against only SWF's, I just don't want to play DBD anymore. And it's a real shame.
It's a shame because BHVR does this. And it's a shame because the community wants it this way. And the community wants it this way because the vast majority of them are toxic SWF's that can't win in real PvP games, and get their ego boosts in a 4v1 video game.
The game is literally designed to attract those kinds of people.
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People who complain about sweatfests are usualy people who want to have fun in this game. At least that's how it is for me.
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But people who want to play casually usually dont care about winning or losing. And at some point, the SBMM-Rating will be adjusted to also have chill games.
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You are lying. Do you know why ? Cause, let's admit you have faced 5 or 6 SWF and you have lost all those trials, you would have derank a bunch and then meet soloQ player.
You will derank soon enough to face survivors of your skill level.
Edit : i also play killer, played much last days, before SBMM, won 100% of my trials during that time (3K to 4K) with the Blight. Played with SBMM and guess what ? Still 4K without sweating and without camping/tunneling. So sure i will rank up and it will get harder, SBMM needs time to adjust but i guess if killers have many losses in a row, it means they are playing above their real skill level.
Killer mains will have fair match after 20 trials with the same killer.
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It's amusing how this sneakily implies that, just because some mediocre players are playing together on comms as a SWF, they are now above my skill level as individual players.
I see your insults.
Pretty standard from a Survivor, but hey. Just pointing it out, out loud, so there's no mistaking what you did there.
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You have no way to know if they play as a SWF lol... You just speculate this because you lost against better survivors.
I mostly play in soloQ and duoQ and how many killers think he/she is afacing a SWF... A ton and they are wrong. Less than 5% of trials are with SWF...
Fact is i play killer aswell, and i'm 100% sure i'm way better than you :) and there was no insult lol... ppl imagining things here 😂
It was a blatant lie. First, even in Higher rank, you can't face SWF only, it's bullshit. And then if so during 5 trials, you derank and the next one is an easier one.
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Typical low skill killer, playing against higher skill survivors, that, after one DC'ed early game, needed to tunnel and camp to get 2K. I escaped. Everytime he chased me he didn't hit me even once. Did 27k, he/she did 19k.
And yes, he/she thought we were a SWF and nope we were all soloQ.
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Yes the game's balance issues shine bright when the survivor players are decent, but you can't blame the players. I won't play worse just because the balance is bad.
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Exactly, it is not the survivors fault that the game is designed the way it is, and it was the way it was to accommodate random matchmaking. Mmr is just exposing the inherent discrepancy.
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Nope, SBMM is not accurate yet. As a Killer i still do 4K atm.
SBMM needs time.
- Initial MMR has been calculated with datas that have been gathered during the old matchmaking
- Old matchmaking was working with "grades" (previously called ranks) that meant nothing but just grinding
- Many red grades/rank killers have been considered high skilled in those datas cause they had 3 to 4k most of the times BUT against potatoes red rank grinding survivors
Today, those killers, still considered High rank/skill are starting to face Higher skilled survivors (that have the same mmr score atm). Fact is those survivors are way more skilled than those killers. Those killers are loosing and having a terrible time but they will derank and soon face survivors of their skill level.
When i play survivor, it's clear that my teammates are now competent, still they are not awesome in chases but at least they do gens and saves when needed.
As a killer, i'm still doing 4K for now but it will change pretty soon i guess.
I hope that early trial camping and tunneling, still allowed, are not considered High skilled. Killers that can get kills only with camping and tunneling don't deserve to be high rank as it's a toxic mechanic.
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No.
You're just SAYING I don't know because you want to argue with me on the forums. You want to "shut me down," etc. You want to win.
It's very obvious to any Killer with a brain when enemy Survivors are a SWF or not. There's obvious plays that were coordinated rather than coincidence, and exceed beyond "four solo queue Survivors that are also good players". And when enough of these happen, it's... simply obvious.
It's a "6th sense," if you will, that good & aware gamers have.
If you don't have it, and would rather just say I'm assuming it because I lost, sure. Go on ahead. I can't stop you, OR your army.
But you're just wrong. And those of us that know what I'm talking about know what I'm talking about.
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Speak for yourself I'm having a blast as killer
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How old are you ?
You can't know if you face SWF or not, there is no way to tell as most players have their profile private (like 50/60%). It's a fact, you can't know, exactly as in the screenshot i have posted. The killer speculated that we were a SWF cause we had DH, IW for exemple. But ye he didn't see my kindred that proves that we were not SWF.
So you don't know if you are facing SWF, you are frustrated because you get hard times atm. But do you know why ? Because you have been used to get ez 4K for way too long.
Now that you see that it will require skill and personal investment to enjoy the game and rank up, you are mad like a capricious child...
And no, you can have great teamplay with 4 soloQ competent survivors. When kindred is equipped you have all the info needed, if you are smart and know the gameplay mechanics, you clearly know how to behave and how to play with other high skilled soloQ survivors.
Yesterday evening i had a game (soloQ again) : a survivor got downed. I was on a gen with another survivor. Then the killer took the downed survivor and brought him to the hook near us. The distance was long enough for me to decide to bodyblock the hook. Instantly the survivor on the gen with me did the same, we both prevented the hook without any communication. Just brain and teamplay. This almost never happened before.
And we were not a SWF. There is no way to tell.
Maybe you are not as good as you think you are as a killer and so your rank will be adjusted. You can't go on a 5 loses streak without deranking a ton.
I assume DbD MMR system works exactly as in other games (R6S or Valorant for exemple). Loose 5 games in a row and you go from Top 2 ranks to middle rank. Especially at start, the derank is faster when you don't have 1000 trials in the SBMM system. And as most of the trials are non SWF (95%+), the probability that yesterday you have faced only SWF is so small that you are wrong about it.
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For me, the only way to save this game is to introduce offline bots.
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Stop. Please. Stop. Stop.
Stop...
Perks don't illustrate whether or not a team is SWF. Your ridiculous emphasis and leaning on that angle only shows that you're... ... ...
... not a reliable... source... For lack of better wording here.
You keep wanting to shortcut into me being frustrated and thus calling things SWF.
No.
It's based on the plays. There are things only a SWF will do. And if you lack the senses to identify them, then... what can I say. Maybe you'll get there someday.
Also of note, a SWF doesn't mean all 4 people. Stop being so obscenely self-centered.
A 3-man SWF is plenty of power. Just because you solo'd doesn't mean THE OTHER THREE HUMAN BEINGS also did. You are a MINORITY of your team. Not everything is about YOU.
But no, ask me how old I am again.
And all the other weird insults you're throwing my way.
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Ye ok troll.
Using Kindred in a SWF at high rank. OK. 🤣
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2 survivors had kindred, both soloQ. Fact is MMR matched me with mafia the game before, he was soloQ also cause none of the 2 other survivors played with me the game before. So we were at least 2 soloQ.
Well, i'm sure you don't know anything about map control as a killer. How to divide the map at start and such. Always crying about SWF while it doesn't even represent 5% of the trials is a joke.
You just assume you loose cause you face a SWF which is OP and you don't question yourself on why you have lost those trials, the mistakes you have made, the lack of skill you might have in chases etc...
No the only problem is not your skill, it's all about SWF, it's easier to accept that way right ?
Edit : data is old but i don't think the playerbase has changed so much. If you count 3Q as SWF, it's only 13/15% of the trials :). Let's say 20% to make you happy. There are still 80% of the trials being against soloQ/duoQ.
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I really dont get it.
You win 50% of the game, your skill is level 5. Facing people who are similar skill (5)
After a while, you do a good job and win 60% of the game, then now you should facing people who have skill level of 6.
From there, if you win more, you facing people whos even better (skill level 7). Though if you lose more, you dropped to 5 and have easier games.
If you aim to win all the time, well, facing people who also win all the time? Expecting sweat.
I died 5 of 7 matches, and I didnt care. Knowing I will drop my skill base and face easier Killers. One thing for sure that none of Killer camp or tunnel, thats already a win for me. Rather than seeing my teammate getting tunneled and I M1 on Gen then escape.
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Sure.
Whatever.
You're right. You got me.
Bye.
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Um... You would need to add 2 man, 3 man, and 4 man together to determine the percentage of playerbase that is swf. That is some sus math, survivor friend. Not as embarrassing as the majority of survivors not understanding 4 is greater than 1. But still, needs work.
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I disagree, duoQ can't be considered as SWF. Even if you face 2x duoQ, it's not the same. Communication is broken between the two parts. And those survivors will always want to help the friend, bringing some broken teamplay etc...
I think that at high skill; SWF or not doesn't matter, survivors know how to play and how to be effective. SWF will improve the communication but still, with kindred equipped you have everything you need.
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I agree, swf is not really what matters so much as getting competent survivors is what matters. I could 4 man with my friends and the chances of our survival goes down. WAY DOWN. No offense to them, but they are hopeless even by the pathetic standard I hold myself to. I would need a hatch build to even stand a chance of escaping.
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Sbmm and its consequences
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its not like that .. the game is :
- hard for survivors ( low rank)
- hard for killers at high ranks
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