I think The Trickster is still not where BHVR wants him to be
Please do not get me wrong. I am a big fan of balance changes and I think many tools that have been reworked are good for the Trickster. However, I also think it's still not where BHVR wants it to be. I still think it is very weak. Yes he has improved that is true, but he is still not good enough. Can any official confirm this with stats or something ? What is your current opinion about the Trickster?
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Trickster is going to be bad no matter what changes they do because he can't deal with long wall loops. They can make him devastating in the open But one game of being looped for 5 gens in cowshed and you'll never play him again
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you mean the killer who is literally better then nurse basically? lmao, trickster is a ######### machine when we come to basement plays, and this killer has meaningless counter play from the survivor's part, they can't do better then losing line of sight, and even 1% of line of sight is easily deadly because of 5 knives in that time span, and then the trickster with absolute no skill at all, can hit another knife and down the survivor, please tell me where this is fair and balanced AT ALL....
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No stats but imho Trickster is just... A flop. He feels very frustrating to play against, but at the same time he's frustrating to play. He's hard countered by the two most boring styles of play (hard immersion and rushing gens), and most of his chase counterplay is complete luck. Have a long wall? You're safe. Don't have one? You're guaranteed dead.
It's just frustrating, and feels like the outcome of a match is dependant almost entirely on RNG and a lot less on skill.
Plus his console performance is horrible.
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Trickster has been a design failure since day 1 and nothing but a rework will fix him imo
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And here we see a survivor Main in the wild.who tries to talk a garbage killer well, so that he is not buffed.
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This feels way too specific, what was the last map you played as trickster
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Trickster lacks map pressure. His chase is quit oppressive and feels bad as a survivor but that does not help him in any way on big maps where 2 gens pop while he downs the first survivor. What would help him would be a less oppressive chase and a way to apply slowdown on his own (or genereate map pressure).
Maybe something like: He now need 8 knives again but they do not decay. Survivors can pull the knives out with the action, they can pull them out for other survivors twice as fast. Each knife applys a 3% penalty to healing, cleaning, reparing and a 3% movement speed penalty while not within the Tricksters lullaby.
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Cowshed
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Did you just say Trickster is better than Nurse
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he is change my mind
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fact: The developers don't play their game, change my mind
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That one I can partially agree with.
This one, no.
Trickster is a 110% killer with no movement ability. Nurse has the ability to blink 32m every 6 seconds, as well as moving at 96% speed while she is not blinking.
Trickster has a limited ammo count of 44, and must land 12 of these for a down. Nurse's power recharges and she must land 2 hits to down.
Trickster is destroyed by large LOS blockers. Nurse deals with them easily.
Trickster must walk around thinks. Nurse goes through them.
Etc
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One literally ignores game mechanics and the other can’t pressure gens
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He's very weak. He can't get more than 1k without camping or maybe tunneling.
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yeah I don't think so, Nurse can get mind gamed when breaking line of sight, a survivor may fake they're going to do something then switch last second and the nurse is gonna have to recharge, cut the losses and continue trying to land a hit, a trickster can literally just spam blades, and he will down you, doesn't matter if you play good, because he is a ######### machine gun and nobody can stop this angry ######### from demolishing you when he has lines of Sight and specially on maps like Shelter woods, oh yeah, ######### that.
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You're right, it's time to buff nurse
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incredible assumption btw, never said that, she is literally fine she is the 2nd best killer behind trickster because of his uncounterable play-style.
Good nurses predict good survivors and good survivors try to predict the nurse, it's a battle between who will win a mindgame or who will get outplayed really hardly, I don't think she needs buff or nerf, but trickster does need nerf.
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Its hard to buff trickster without adding something to his whole power like clown.
if they reduced the number of knifes to downany further i think he would be broken.
just give him 60 knifes again.
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"2nd best killer behind trickster"
Did I read that right?
Trickster is god awful to play as he is only good on a few maps, and even then he isn't that great and you'll get way more progress at loops as huntress than him, he is entirely counterable he is just incredibly unfun to face, major difference
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In a trashbin ?
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Look everyone is entitled to their own opinion, except in this case. You are not allowed to genuinely think trickster is the strongest killer in the game and better than nurse. I forbid it.
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you reed me getting salty over saying trickster is literally the 2nd best chaser in the entire stupid game.
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I never said he is better then nurse, I said he is 2nd. not first (first ofc being nurse), and I genuinely think that.
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"incredible assumption btw, never said that, she is literally fine she is the 2nd best killer behind trickster because of his uncounterable play-style."
Um. You said this. You said Nurse was behind Trickster.
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^^
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He will always be the worst killer in my opinion because his knives are terrible on console. How in the hell can I play Oni, Slinger, Huntress, Nurse, Blight, etc pretty damn well but not trickster because his knives have assault rifle recoil so bad even aiming at feet don't help. Oh and I am talking normal trickster not The Trickster you see streamers use with the 2 purple add-ons every game. Really like everything about him except his play and that really sucks.
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Trickster was very obviously meant to be a popular money-making killer. He's rated easy, has a familiar power lifted from a killer that statistically is the second most played, (Huntress) and had a whole bunch of marketing and such related to his K-Pop background. Look at the marketing for Trickster compared to Twins. He also gets skins every other patch, and has gotten about four balance updates, each with the intent of making him stronger. He was probably meant to be the next Huntress but paid, like how Blight was the next Billy, except this time they didn't nerf Huntress as well because of the devs being Huntress mains.
Unfortunately, since Trickster's power concept is intrinsically flawed because they tried to pull off old Legion again for whatever reason, he can and will never be strong. BHVR don't seem to realise this. I think somebody at BHVR is probably scratching their head, looking at pitiful kill and pick rates for Trickster and wondering what went wrong.
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But didn't you say that he was the best chaser in the game, why is he second best now?
Also he is incredibly low, not even close to b tier. Huntress can injure survivors faster than him, all he really does is "ooo animation lock" just like...idk...every other killer in dbd, and you basically need to be in hair sniffing range to hit his knives accurately, which at that point just m1 instead, the only times his knives have a purpose is if you are locked in an animation or you are in a zonable spot, unlike huntress who can use her hatchets at any distance, running out of hatchets doesn't punish her as hard as it does trickster, also incredibly good at zoning, and can do something with long walls because well...you don't need to throw 6 hatchets at a survivor do injure them, only need 1
He is probably the worst ranged killer in the game atm
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The trash bin
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Yes they do...just not very well🤣
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Trickster is better than nurse...who else loses the match for you so stylishly on any long map🤔
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If you have not tried a killer yourself, but you are only a survivor main, you can unfortunately not know that this killer is very good on close range and open field and is also nasty. But failed in all other situations. You have to play both sides so that you can really talk about what is good or too strong. In all your words, I hear only anger. you are toxic for the Game. Its a shame.
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He sucks ass unless you're a csgo player with crazy good aim and tracking, and even then some maps are unwinnable for him if survivors play correctly, he's way too slow and need to reload too often, main event takes too long to build and never triggers when you actually need it because you can't "store" it.
I will give him credit tho, he's very good with his exposed iri addon ( but far from top tier) and is the best hook camper in the entire game.
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Its a fact how we gonna change your mind? Hahaha
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Trickster has too much downtime time which makes him incapable incapable of dealing with 4v1. Biggest example being that you can only activate Main Event once before being forced to reload and there isn't always a chance to make good use out of Main Event.
His mobility is garbage, you slow down so much to throw knives that you're faster being a 110% M1 killer.
He sucks so much in so manny loops that using knifes is detrimental to 1v1 and 4v1.
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Would you mind posting your killer tier list here? I'd love to see it.
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I agree with this. I think that the whole "hot kpop killer go brr" was meant to make them a lot of money knowing how many people are diehard fans of the kpop culture.
Even knowing this, I fell right into the trap happily. I fell in love with everything about him both his aesthetic and his abilities. I couldn't tell you a thing about kpop however.
I enjoy his low pick and kill rate selfishly if I'm being honest. It makes me feel good knowing I can play a weak killer well even in high MMR and have a real shot at becoming a high tier if not the best Trickster player. It's satisfying going into a match and knowing I'll be underestimated just to perform well.
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I might be reading this wrong but Main Event doesn't deplete your knives you were carrying before. If the timing is in your favor, you can actually use main event at 0 knives and potentially get a free down. Or you can use it at max knives.
I don't know why you think his knives are detrimental to him in loops. I would say a good 80% of loops are in his favor because they're short enough (either in height or length) to take a health state or possibly both with knives easy and fast. Even in loops with high walls if you can m1 mind game it's another easy kill. Being out in the open is also a guaranteed down.
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Untrue. if his movement in throwing mode was faster like 105%. he could just follow the survivor while holding his knife up. Long walls wouldn't be nearly as effective.
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And devs will never do this because it "feels too opressive"
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so that the Trickster should be stronger than the Nurse, I think really for a rumor
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It's kinda hard to balance Trickster with his current ability. I love Trickster's character and I like the idea of knives go brrrr but I really think they should just give him a new power.
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He's not where I want him to be either, which is in BHVR's recycle bin.
EDIT: This is what I get for not reading all replies first.
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So you are assuming to know what an entire development team believes - ok.
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It took like 4 months for them to tweak Trickster after release. They're probably still gathering data or whatever. I think he'll receive another tweak, but it's gonna be awhile.
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well, tweaks are not easy to make. Its a difficult terrain
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Youre a newer player aren't you? Or you just never played a single killer game.
Reason why I say this is because you assume a good Nurse will predict... which is more than false. A good Nurse will limit the options given to a survivor, and what a survivors job in this situation is to create as many options as possible in the short amount of time they have.
Trickster has none of this, he doesnt limit options he simply widdles down survivors which takes him for ever to do, will he get a down? yes, but itll take him like a minute to do so if the survivor is competent and knows how to play around his power
Now lets look back at Nurse, youre not dodging a hit from her, a good Nurse youre down in seconds, MUCH faster than Trickster mind you, because Trickster does have 1 weakness in chase and thats creating distance. Nurse can close distance VERY easily and its not even map dependent like a lot of other movement abilities
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Ok let's take a look at the screen that illustrates a bit. Yes I know, they include all players, all ratings and grades. Not every Nerf or Buff is related to simply the Killrate of a Killer, there's much more involved. I know that, np
So, I'm ignoring the nurse for now, because that's another Topic and a hot Issue. But you can also see, that the Trickster does not reach the 50% Mark. I wonder what that could be or what you could change the Trickster, to push him a bit.
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Trickster is actually pretty good if you have good aim reflex. i played fortnite mainly before dbd, so i already had good aim. Also why the ######### is pinhead highest killrate?
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Trickster's power is flawed by a simply mechanic: laceration decay. The fact the decay exists means he's forever going to be a tunnel visioned killer.
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