The real problems I have with No One Escapes Death.

With the way the game is being played NOED strikes a nerve to a lot of survivor players... And I can see why

But on the other hand if the Killer is running NOED but kills all survivors before endgame (the last gen being done) then they were good enough to run 3 perks for the entire game

Also NOED is a perfect example as to why a second Objective is needed in this game (other then opening the doors cause the killer can now do that)

That's also why it's a hot topic... Instead of running Ruin/Undying and see their totems being done early on they will use NOED to maybe surprise the survivors

Anyways... there's only 3 perks that help find totems and 1 give a benefit to cleansing totems

Small Game

Detective's Hunch

Counterforce

Inner Strength

But with Boon Totems coming soon (TM) there will be further discussion on NOED and Totems

The only problem I have with NOED is when a survivor runs the killer for most of the match and then only manages to down the survivor because of NOED, because in that case the survivor it affects most literally could not do anything to prevent it.

Regardless, I'm of the opinion that, since the reality of the situation is that most of my teammates won't be running totem perks, and since the killer may not even be running NOED, doing dull totems "just in case" is counterproductive because in general the easiest to find totems will be cleansed first resulting in making NOED that much harder to find for all my totem-perkless teammates. Therefore, the most efficient strategy is to just remember where the dull totems you come across are, and to check them once you know that the killer has NOED, so that the hex has a chance to spawn at the T/L wall tile in the middle of the map as opposed to the barely visible debris covered totem in the corner of the map that nobody knows about.

I really hope it's a trolling post. If not, man it's a game, it's one of the element of gameplay that slowsthe game from the killer POV side. Otherwise you'd just push left-button mouse 5 times and run away.

Youre missing the point. He doesnt direct complain about Noed. But because Noed exist, survivors have to play around it.

At the result survivors team may all down because one guy seeking 5 totems, while he could finish 1 more Gen and 3-4 escape. In the end killer didnt even use Noed.

(Just as killers have to play around DS DH)

Technically thats why I like about Noed on both side.

I was just saying that Boon Totems will have an impact (also that they will use totems)

Gens get done to fast cause a killer is not putting any pressure , no enough time to get every totem.

Killer putting on alot of pressure so you can't spend time on totems.

Either way the majority of time you will never find all totems especially on midwich and lerrys cause of it's totem you can cleanse.

That feeling isn´t any different from the feeling killers had before the DS nerf. Whenever a survivor jumped into a locker, killer had to expect getting stabbed. Wasting precious time trying to figure out of the timer was over or not.

If every survivor spends 30 seconds of the match doing totems, then no one has to worry about NOED. Even more, if you do that, the killer effectively wasted a perk slot during the whole match. Which should be worth the extra time you spend on bones.

Just do bones when your teammate gets hooked on 4~5 generators left and get camped till struggle or death by strong camp type killer.

You shouldn't do gen rush. Just do bones :)

While I don't think noed is overpowered since it still has downsides to balance it out I do think solo queue needs 2 quality of life changes in terms of totem cleansing

First just a straight up totem count on how many remaining totems

Second a notification for every totem destroyed, regular notification for a dull totem, lightning strike that we currently have for a hex, just to give the general location of cleansed totems

True... But I figured to include them for being what they are... Totem Detection

I totally forgot that Counterforce gave cleansing speed bonus (LOL)

Which is the exact same feeling killers had (and still have) when a survivor jumps into a locker.

No difference at all.

It's fair play cause negating the perk is completely on survivors.

Correct, This is literally the reason NOED exists. it is the same as killers dealing with DS, or BT, or UB. You have to ASSUME the survivor has it, because they probably do. This is why DS is so strong, you don't know who has it, but you have to assume everyone has it.

The reality is, the gen speed to chase ratio is not in favor of the killer. Period, simple mathematics shows that the gens go too fast in relation to how long it takes to chase a survivor. I can get into the math if you really want to in another post, but just know that it takes 47 seconds for a killer to down a survivor if the survivor does nothing but holds w. They use no pallets, no windows, no loops, no nothing. Simple, pure shift + w takes 47 seconds to down the survivor. Now factor in the time it took to find that survivor initially, walking to them (they probably crawled away) picking them up, walking to a hook, hooking them, you probably just spend around 60-70 seconds. Now keep in mind that gens take 80 seconds. You just lost 3 gens before you can even walk to the next one, even assuming you know exactly where they are (BBQ or something).

Now, people think, "well now you have pressure", but that is not the case. It took you that long to land that hook, but it takes ONE survivor (even if the survivor is hooked exactly opposite of that survivor) about that same 47 seconds of time to rescue and heal that survivor, however, during that time you have 2 other survivors doing something. If the cycle repeats, you get 2-3 hooks, the survivors finish all gens, and then they escape with body blocks.

The reason for this, is because BHVR designed this game in such a way that survivors are supposed to be "scared of the big bad killer"

• They are supposed to want to hide
• Be scared to do generators
• Look around for chests
• Do totems (because they are quieter than gens and the killer doesn't know where they all are).

The reality is, once the survivor gets good enough at the game to realize that they don't have to do those things, the game balance falls apart. The balance of this game is barely hanging on by a thread for killers to get a DRAW (mathematically) due to the existence of NOED. Either through using it, or survivors respecting it. And until BHVR fixes the game balance (seriously just watch a tournament sometime, or a team oracle video/match), it needs to stay.

Ask them to slow down? I once had a match (before the Undying nerf) where i cleansed 5 hex totems by myself. Meanwhile my team took turns on the hook. They had no intention to do anything else than hook bomb each other.

If more people take totem finder perks, NOED won´t be an issue.

oh I would love to stun the tombstone out of a Myers!