Supa Thread: Wraith.
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as a matter of fact im pretty sure enduring doesnt affect wraith´s stun time when cloaked.
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It does if it's from a pallet.
It used to for everything else.
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Good ol' time eating DS with enduring.
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I don't even miss it for DS I just miss it for lightburn.
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Both All Seeing add-ons need to be changed. Those add-ons are too easy to use for trolling players by slugging them all and letting them bleed out. Having the speed Wraith has, and knowing exactly where survivors are is too much of an advantage.
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He is just a m1 killer, I think he balanced and don’t need changes, addons are supposed to be addons not less-ons. I just think people just want easy games, might as well delete perks and addons and make a barebones mode for people who complain about little stuff like bbq and wraith
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Hold up, what does being able to see gen progress have to do with slugging people to death.
And tbh, his iri all seing is about the same info you would get from quite a bit of the gen tracking perks, not that big of a deal.
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I'm happy that wraith got his well deserved buff.
I just hope they changed his add-ons as some are bad and not needed (looking at you blink) and some could be better.
I also hope that they changed the map to be more balanced so I don't have to use the hit and run strat.
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That is an excellent suggestion, i love it.
I also want to add, that Silent bell might need some little changes too.
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Silent Bell needs a downside tbh.
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Why though?
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Very easy kit that stomps uncoordinated solos like almost no other killer, but has virtually no power against a switched on team that knows how to exploit your weaknesses. He's forever going to be extremely oppressive against the lower end of survivors, and extremely worthless against the very high end of survivors. Giving him any more buffs or nerfs would be weird.
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It's not just gen progress, it's narrowing down where the survivors are, then pinpointing it with the purple all seeing. Believe it or not, there are players that do this and just slug and let people bleed out at 5 gens. It's a crappy way to play and something needs to be done about it.
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I got lots of Iridescent Shards right now, so that automatically means it's time for a new Wraith outfit that you can buy with IS.
And he's still lacking the perfect outfit that i designed myself, i'm still waiting on a mail from you BHVR. 😇
Other than that: While maybe 1 and VERY MAYBE 2 Add-ons need a change, i think his Teachables in particular need a look-at way more than the Add-ons.
He's absolutely bottom 3 in terms of Teachables, ranking from QoL (Shadowborn) to downright counterproductive. (Predator)
Predator could be something cool like: When a Survivor performs a certain action like vaulting a Window or entering/exiting a Locker, it will produce scratchmarks all around that window, no matter the speed at which the Survivor vaulted/entered/exited.
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The primary play that I’ve seen every wraith do with this addon is go into cloak to see what exactly the survivor is doing at a tile and immediately come out of cloak to get the speed boost and utilize the wall hacks they get to know exactly what the survivor is doing. If they miss then they just cloak and repeat. It’s not interactive at all since the window to react is close to none.
My idea allows the survivor to have a chance to react while not “nerfing” the aura reading to where majority of players won’t notice. I have other ideas but this just seemed like the most fair.
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Mmhhh sounds fair. I mean your idea.
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He's like Freddy before his addon pass. Horribly dull gameplay, accessible to every bad killer player since he doesn't need to loop or has addons that make pallets meaningless, free mega speed with a crazy lunge, no chase most of the time and less chase points due to cutting chase when cloaked, addons overall are just kind of silly and could use some tweaking with all-seeing being the worst. He's a dreadful public game stomper that is falling out of fashion now that MMR is making games less 'potato' fests.
For a bit he was the free win killer since his playstyle was 0 risk for massive reward vs. solo queue or casual friend groups. Not so much now. Even with the sweatiest builds, they falter. So I think Wraith only needs an addon pass now. Maybe focus more on the stealth rather than free zooming that makes distance meaningless vs him.
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I feel like Wraith is in a decent spot right now to deal with average survivors, but I play both sides so I see the whole picture. Some people apparently think he is OP. I really don't see it. Most Wraiths I encounter still struggle when multiple people on the team can run and are just decent at survivor overall.
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It does not. Ill fight ya
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Thats more of an ######### thing than a wraith thing yknow? And nerfing wraith's add ons will not solve massive slugs.
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I seriously disagree about the add on pass, because firstly i fear he might get the billy treatment, and second of all none of his add ons are half as opressive as Freddy's were.
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What do I think about Wraith? He's hot as hell!
Okay but jokes aside. Wraith is pretty good, he is finally viable against the average players. He's not one of the weaker killers anymore which is a good thing. But, "All Seeing" - Blood should get some sort of rework, or maybe just a downside IMO. Because I don't like the fact that a decently strong killer can see everyone through walls if close enough. And Coxcombed Clapper is really annoying lmao
But even tho he is a good killer with an interesting power, he's not really fun to go against due to his playstyle. Or the playstyle the majority of Wraith players use when playing him. Because in my experience, people usually use the "Hit and run" playstyle. Which is annoying because then I have to heal for 87 years. And I don't like to be injured, and definitely not against a Wraith lmao
Don't get me wrong. Wraith is still pretty easy to loop. Because his power doesn't help him in chases. And he still has a lot of counters.
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Since I always have huge fun reworking or inventing perks here is my predador idea:
Scratch Marks spawned by a survivor not being in a chase behave,, normal". Scratchmarks of a surv in a chase are affected by predator. After chasing and not hitting a surv for 7 seconds, that surv becomes the Obsession
(imagine the combos without the need to get force pallet stunned [nemesis] or the Obsession getting rescued [furtive chase]. You can apply dark devotion so often and easily + make good use out of dead mans switch etc)
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Why not buff Survivors instead of making a Killer who has been so unpopular and hard to play, that again?
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Huntress' was fine. I'd hope it's more like her's. I do not think Wraith's are fine, especially All-Seeing and Shadow Dance (there are perks that have lesser effects than that one addon). He could use some changes there but not a massive overhaul.
Freddy's only addons that truly sucked were the slowdown ones. About as much as I've mentioned here. But, I agree, his pass was terrible, but then again Freddy is a terribly designed killer overall.
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I agree, it is an ######### thing, but using those add-ons in particular just enable it to an extreme level. People are using Wraith with those add-ons to bully other players and it needs to stop. That's my main concern about them, but really even for people who aren't abusing them, they are a bit overpowered when combined with Wraith's adjusted speed.
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i strongly disagree but i dont think i can say something strong enough to change your mind so, eh.
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wat.
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k lets ignore all seeing blood for 5 minutes because i get that it should get nerfed.
considering shadow dance only works while cloaked, i seriously dont think it should get nerfed. it only becomes strong if you decide to combine it with another add on (the serpent) for a gimmick, which still, its a gimmick.
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k, ill fight ya now.
Bassically Silent bell at much makes Wraith more fun to play against in the same style that any gen grab stealth killers are. Because it insetivises wraith to change his playstyle to this "uncloak from cheeky angles or behind walls" rather than just uncloaking behind you and going nothin personel kid. people seriously overrate how strong this add on is.
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Shadow Dance doesn't truly have a drawback in my opinion. You're cloaked most of the game and baiting pallet drops is fairly easy with the crazy lunge you get. I honestly think this addon is a bit outdated and does the job of what other perks do (Brutal, Fire Up, Bamboozle to an extent) for absolutely free. I just think it can be made into something different and not necessarily weak. I don't want ######### billy/freddy addons as much as you don't.
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[BAD WORD] the Wraith and the fact that he shows up ten times a day now. All the powers in the world with few consequences, specific and often circumstantial requirements for counterplay, and no cooldown. I don't enjoy Wraith matches at all anymore. Not one bit. Same #########, different day. When I hear the bell my heart sinks and I think "Oh, yay. One of THESE matches".
[BAD WORD] the Wraith.
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The aura reading is too much and can go, but please don't change his speed boost. It's the only add on that needs a change imo. The iri all seeing is fine.
That's basically it. He can stomp mediocre players for sure if you know what you're doing but against good teams? SBMM has showed me how good some survivors play against Wraith. I barely could do anything, and that was on maps that favour killers like Shelter Woods. Be very aware, run to nearby loops immediately after detecting him, waste his time by exploiting his simple M1 nature. Heal up if he starts to hit&run. His speed boost only works on some loops and good survivors will play it save because they know their mates are doing gens.
I mean, of course this goes for every killer, but a good Blight, Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Huntress, Oni, Slinger, Twins? Anti-loop is still the best power in the game and he doesn't have it. Being fast and "invisible" doesn't spare you the annoying pallet fests.
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Yeah the speed boost isn’t the problem, which is why I focused on the aura reading ending when the wraith starts his uncloaking animation.
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