What did you guys do with the real BHVR?
This mid-chapter update with half of it's content already looks better than most of the recent full chapter updates y'all been pushing out.
Trapper changes
Spirit changes
No longer using vague descriptors and instead just using numbers
Addon passes for a lot of killers
Perk changes
A kill switch to disable aspects of the game without pushing out an update.
This is too good to be true. What did you guys do with the real BHVR? This good of an update? Even better, half of a good update? You guys acting suspicious.
09/27/21
Part 2 looking pretty spicy
Plague buffs
Survivors get numbers now on addons
More Perk changes
Hatch won't spawn except if there's one survivor alive
Boon totems?
The only bad part about this update is the Deathslinger nerf and maybe Spirit kicking up dust. That Deathslinger nerf goes way too hard, you gotta give my boy something to compensate for cutting off all his arms and legs, that puny speedbuff while aiming down sight is nothing.
I don't like the Spirit kicking up dust while using her power, I think the directional power is plenty to offset how strong she is. I hope this doesn't make it to the final update but we'll see, maybe it's warranted.
Overall, very good quality patch. This is what we want to see in the future, idc how long it takes or how wack some of the changes might be. Anything to mix the game up is fine and this patch looks like a very good step in the right direction
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Very sad this is Mcleans last update it’s so ######### good everything people wanted a mid chapter to be was made, we got perk changes, addon changes, killer changes and a new system to help the game this is great and we have a whole 2nd part for this update
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I expect the 2nd part to only list the add ons that are getting updated but I hope there’s more.
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So far this update has done nothing except give me permanent goosebumps. I fear for Pig/Mike so much that I am going to be a scared nervous wreck until everything is fully announced.
I am however excited for Ghostface I would like to believe they can't ######### his add-ons up more than they already are so there's some excitement. Additionally I am soooo ready for the FTP change. I use is quite often so buffing that in any way ofc makes me happy.
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There going to introduce boon totems and possibly more changes coming
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While sad, even if it was just the addon / perk changes this will still be the best update BHVR has pushed out in recent memory.
Pinhead was botched on release
Nemesis update and RPD map was botched on release
Trickster was insanely weak on release with no new map
Twins had no new map and the update as a whole was incredibly awful on release
That's a full year of awful chapter/paragraph updates meanwhile the chad mid-chapter updates bringing what everybody wants and more.
Please BHVR, I don't care how much longer it takes. We want more updates like this mid-chapter one. You guys are clearly capable of doing it
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All sounds good but they are probably going to nerf addons that don't need nerfing, so I will wait and see before I'm happy about anything. Except Trapper though finally! 😀
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Pinhead wasn’t really botched his lunge was just bugged which was a huge factor to him being bad. But now that it’s fixed he’s very fun to use now
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I am tentatively optimistic. I enjoy the volume of content- if this was the standard with every Midchapter patch then I want chapters to be single-character permanently because oh my word this is glorious. However, I also know that a lot of things were changed, so a lot of things have the potential to be bugged.
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There will be something that will break. Every single time.
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I won't spoil exactly what is or isn't in there, but part 2 is packing just as much as part 1.
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Ohhhh interesting!!
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I am so excited for this next update
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Any idea when part 2 will be revealed?
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Monday
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how do you feel about the state of solo survivor though? do you honestly think playing solo (especially in the sweaty higher MMR) is fun?
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I hope part 2 is a map update. The game really needs it.
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Please continue making patches like this. The game becomes way more interesting when we keep having constant changes.
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They do the bare minimum and y’all swear is revolutionary
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No, what they usually do is the bare minimum. This is better than that.
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Pig buff please pig buff please
Pig changes please
Pig balance please
Please gove pig some love
Please :'(
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So more killer nerfs and surv buffs? Yayyy I cant wait for Monday!
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I know I can't believe they nerfed trapper :(
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Yeah Hex: Ret, Blood Favour, Third Seal, Thrill, and Trapper buffs were secretly horrible nerfs!
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Let's be real here any time we were hyped for an update, something went wrong and the game became even more broken than before 🤣🤣🤣
On a serious note i've waited for the Spirit phase sound to be heard even when you are in her terror radius since she came out basically, but the thing that you can see her footsteps kicking up dust and ######### is not really good imo.
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I can't believe that Trapper was nerfed with 3 different perks also being nerfed
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please give pog some luv
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Yea maybe it looks really good. But don't forget the 100 new bugs and glitches that will come with this xd
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This all sounds great, it really does. But just to keep things in perspective - Boon totems will probably arrive at the same time.
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Tbf, they didn't really address Trapper's core issues and that Purple add-on is so getting nerfed. There is no way he is going to be allowed to carry ALL of his traps.
Hex: Ret is more of a QoL, Blood Favor is still pretty bad but better and Thrill is more of a nerf reversion.
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I'm so sorry but I remember people saying to make Trapper Bag basekit for years, they do it and suddenly it's the wrong change?
And- again, correct me if I'm wrong, but Hex:Ret, Blood Favour, and Thrill have not been nerfed? Trapper has not been nerfed? So my original comment is correct, yes?
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That's probably all McLeans work. He set and example.
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You are correct. They buffed Trapper and improved some niche or outright useless perks which will continue to be niche or serviceable at best. Although this still deserves some kudos for the effort.
Trapper changes should have came long ago, but good for BHVR. Small but acceptable QOL changes.
Spirit change is the opposite of trapper… a HUGE, knee-jerk reaction nerf that is obviously in response to survivor complaints. Instead of simply adding an animation for when she starts phasing and testing that, they add an entire audio cue PLUS directional audio PLUS a visual cue (footstep dust).
Typical BHVR will be slow to buff a killer, but too quick to nerf multiple aspects. Case in point, Freddy. They made pretty much all but 2 of his add-ons bottom tier, made his slower when using his snare power, and correct me if I’m wrong but reduced his snare count. All he needed was a rework of his gen slowdown add-ons, but they like to overcompensate. Same goes for Billy - insta saw was a problem but then they gave him an overheat mechanic.
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I never said you were wrong.
These are steps in the correct direction, but they aren't going to change anything.
Trapper still sucks because his set-up time is so long, but adding a single extra trap does help.
Retribution, Blood Favor and Thrill all received changes that aren't really going to matter. They all give a very mediocre affect that can be removed permanently and their strength doesn't justify the perk slot, yet.
In terms of a high-level perspective, this update (so far) has been much better for Survivors than it has for Killers, but there is a whole other part so I will reserve judgement until then
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Boon Totems? 😶
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you have no clue how trash third seal and blood favor is. The perk could literally be non-hex perk and i still wouldn't use it over hex:ruin and devour hope. Thrill is just bad version of Hex:Undying. Its another perk that does not deserve to be a hex perk.. thanks for improving Cruel limits-tier perks.
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Ah yes, I forgot when I make a comment to specifically poke fun at someone saying there were only killer nerfs this dev update, and prove them wrong, what I'm actually saying is that these buffs will be meta defining and vastly impact how everyone changes the game.
I never mentioned the strength of these buffs, or the quality. I just said they were buffed- which is an indisputable fact because they were. I don't see why we're discussing anything because there's nothing in my point to discuss.
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Community: Buff low tier killers and perks!
Devs: buff low tier killers and perks
Community: WHY DO YOU HATE KILLERS
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See my previous comment :)
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see the problem is that these low-tier killers and low-tier perks are so low-tier..... that its like... Atlantic ocean. You have hex perks like Ruin and Devour hope that regress gens & mori survivors.... and than you have perks like... hex blood favor that block pallets.... that you can just shift+W after getting hit to the next pallet completely negating the entire purpose of the perk. I thought they were joking when they said that they played it too safe with blood favor. I thought they knew the hex perk was trash and it was just a typical filler perk to complete chapter. Guess not.
thanks for... spirit nerfs.... and trapper whatever changes. I guess we'll all be trapper mains by the end of the patch.
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I mean, blocking pallets IS a potentially problematic perk effect if not handled properly.
The problem with the effect isn't that it's payoff is necessarily weak, but that it's applied at it's weakest possible moment in a chase.
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This perk lasts 15 seconds. Do you even know how much time it takes for a killer to just chase a survivor in straight line after recovering from a hit? It takes like ~22 seconds. you can test this on mother dwelling. This perk could be global and it still wouldn't be good enough or do anything practically useful. This perk would need to last more than 30 seconds for it to do anything and survivors could still use windows when pallets are blocked.
your as clueless as rank 20 devs. sorry If last comment comes off as rude.
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Pinhead has not arrived at his destination yet, I give the update a 6/10.
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This patch seems too perfect...something's off 🤔
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Oh boy a full page of pig nerfs?!
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I actually prefer big changes like this than traditional small steps. They always can revert some of Spirit's changes if she become too weak and her pickrate go below Hillbilly.
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VHS,that's what happened.
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But big changes aren’t needed for a viable killer, though. Spirit isn’t a broken killer that needs a rework, nor a bottom tier that needs major changes (old Freddy). Heck, she’s not even considered stronger than Nurse.
Glad you bring up Hillbilly, a killer even survivors considered “fun and balanced”, and general consensus was that he was a top 5 killer at least. Instead of just fixing a couple of add-ons, BHVR gave his add-ons an overhaul but gutted serviceable ones that weren’t even overpowered. They also gave his chainsaw an overheat mechanic which no one asked for. Guess what? Now hardly anyone plays Billy…
So forgive me when I am skeptical when the devs decide to overhaul a killer. It usually ends up simply making life for survivors “fun” while “raising the skill ceiling” for the killer.
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That's cap 🧢 What else could there possibly be?
WHY IS THIS A MID-CHAPTER UPDATE!?
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Trapper legit got one of the fattest buffs he's gotten in the 5 years of this game existing
Boo-Hoo Spirit players will have to try a little bit harder and use 2% of their power instead of 1%.
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Oh, sweet summer child. Apparently you haven't been playing this game for very long if you think there wasn't some good in the sea of bad. Regardless of that they're still all very good things, but until I see more of it then it's just doing what people complained about being done for years. Of course it is still doing so that's really great. Butt you shouldn't get a pat on the back for surprising people because you finally did your job, but I guess a little handshake will work for now.
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