Yes, SWFs exist
You aren't going to enforce an anti-cheat that nulls comms just multiply bp earned for the killer and be done with it, SWF 2( x1.05) 3(x1.10) 4(x1.15) bam done! Or more idk what do y’all think?
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I thought comms were allowed though?
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or boost BP for solos?
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No, they're not allowed because the game doesn't provide in game comms, you have to use external assets to do so, which clearly violates the tos but BHVR doesn't enforce this rule
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Can't it be both?
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Ah.. Well I'd be on board with your idea as well as a bonus for solo queue survivors.
That or things to make the bp grind less painful on both sides because it's insane lol
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It is insane for no reason tbh just a ploy for more bp ig
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Using third party Software is in most games considered cheating.
Voice over IP programs like discord, Skype (yes I am that old) and TeamSpeak are a somewhat grey area there. In every other online multiplayer genre except the asymmetrical ones it poses the same potential advantages for all sides.
But games like DBD and others that belong to the asymmetrical genre this becomes a one-sided advantage and they would have to compensate for that but seldomly do so.
Also a partial reason why most games in this genre dont life too long, the number role noticed at some point that with comms and coordination they always can beat the solo power figure.
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To be fair I've never heard of a video game that bans people for using third party voice chat
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Might as well ban people for having steam chat open too
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What do u need bp for? Unless your goal is to p3 every single character, it's very overestimated currency.
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BHVR has said that they're okay with players being on comms and in fact on their official Discord channel have a section for finding people to be on chat with. The official stance is that comms are not cheating, it's just so easy to use third-party software to do it that they're not going to add it in themselves. Discord can be used via PC or phone, and Xbox and PlayStation provide it natively. Are Xbox and PlayStation games even allowed to disable voice chat?
Besides, what would they do for people like me and my friend? We play together in the same room. No third-party software necessary to talk to each other the whole time. I look forward to the day I'm accused of cheating for living with other people.
Edit: I would like to say, I like your idea of more BP. I like any idea that gives me more BP, despite the reason. It should also have a minimum bonus, that way you still get a nice bit of BP for even the really bad matches.
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"We are not banning for the use of communication apps."
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Maybe because in any other online multiplayer game both sides can gain the same advantage?
DBD is the sole survivor of the asymmetric genre and I guess that the one-sided effect of third party was also a partial reason.
There is a group of german youtubers that i watch started group videos playing DBD, last year and a few other games until now and after getting a little better at those games even they notocedthat with coordination they can directly fight against the killer in both games and only one or two from this group that dedicated more time into the killer role were even able to get a "win".
So even noobs can notice fast how to take advantage of coordination via comms.
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Survivor is still ateam game, and you're expected to be able to communicate with your team.
Voice chat is entirely condoned and supported by BHVR. The only reason it isn't built into the game is because it doesn't need to be, there's already so many ways to access voice chat, it's even built right into consoles so you can't even twist it into being "third party software".
It is not an "unfair advantage" for survivors, rather it is a disadvantage for solos who don't have it.
And if you've ever played with my friends.... nope. I do way better as a solo survivor. Voice comms is not a guaranteed advantage.
BHVR has already said they won't give more BP for solos, because that would still be penalising people for playing with their friends.
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Darling I am begging you to read
"WE ARE NOT BANNING FOR THE USE OF COMMUNICATION APPS"
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules
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As @GoodBoyKaru pointed out already, using voice comms is NOT cheating, is NOT against the rules, please avoid spreading false information about it, keep in mind we have specific channels in our official Discord where people can play together in voice chat.
Please refer to this post when in doubt about game rules: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules
Thank you.
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No it's not cheating... And never will be might be in your mind but far from reality
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using voice comms is NOT cheating
This is not what the game rules say.
From the rules page:
Using 3rd party software or other tools to gain any kind of unfair advantage that wasn’t intended by the game, except if they have been whitelisted by us. We are not banning for the use of communication apps.
If using voice chat was not cheating then it wouldn't have to be explicitly listed here. The rules don't say "Voice chat is not cheating", they say "We don't ban you if you use it". There is a difference. If you use voice chat then you acknowledge that you are cheating by giving yourself an advantage that is not intended by the game, but, even though this technically falls under the definition of cheating, no bans are issued for it.
This is an important distinction for players who want to play as intended - they don't use voice chat or any other communication outside of the game, because the game rules as written define that as cheating. It's allowed, in a manner similar to house rules that are sometimes used for board games for example. It is allowed to use your own "house rule" by using communication tools without penalties (= bans) but you are still technically breaking the rules and not playing as intended. If you want to play the game as intended you need to follow the rules.
Using a controller while playing on PC for example is not listed in the game as something that bans are issued for because it doesn't have to be, because it's obviously not cheating. Communication tools do fall under the definition of cheating though, so the exception must be listed if there are not supposed to be bans for using them.
If using communication tools outside of the game is not supposed to be considered cheating then the rules page must be rewritten to clarify that. As the rules are written it falls under cheating. An easy fix would would be to change "We are not banning for the use of communication apps." to "The use of communication apps is not considered cheating.".
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I'm sorry, but that specification is there exactly because of threads like this one and for people reporting others for using discord or other voice apps, it's not up to you to decide what is cheating or not, we wouldn't endorse something that actively breaks the rules otherwise.
Please, I understand you don't like us and you have always something to say against everything we post, but don't try to spread false information, thank you.
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Ehm did i specifically talk about swf or third party programs?
And yes these third party programs Advantages are only applicable to one side.
Btw console have, as far as I know a built in voice chat which does the same thing.
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It still passively substitute for over 10 perks that solo wouldve to equip which is impossible. Example like bond, kindred, buckle up and other aura reading perks.
If that isn't a built in potential for advantage at least over solo survivor then i don't know what to tell you.
And I don't give a damn about what the devs condone or not. They are simply not able to deny things like camping, tunneling, slugging or comms so they just declare them okay to bypass any form of responsibility in my eyes.
Edit: it is also not built in this game because I don't think they would manage without breaking something else and it would give killer player a base argument to cry for way more buffs. But since solo without comms is still existing there is a counterargument.
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Why are you nitpicking a kind of clunkily worded sentence instead of actually reading what they’re saying there?
Third party tools are not allowed unless the devs say they’re allowed. They’ve explictly condoned the use of external comms, just as they’ve also whitelisted Nvidia filters.
Everyone with common sense understands that “third party tools that give an unfair advantage” is referring to things like hacks, cheats, modified files, etc. and not people talking to each other outside of the game. The devs don’t ban for that, they never have, they never will, and they couldn’t even if they wanted to, which they clearly don’t. Accept it.
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I have explained why the rules as written say that using communication outside of the game is cheating. I am not making any presumptions about what the developers actually intend the rules to be, I am going only off how they are written. If you disagree please point out why it does not say that or where I am going wrong in my argumentation. I have also provided a suggestion how this can be fixed quite easily at the bottom of my post - please feel free to edit the game rules page if you can do this yourself or forward the suggestion forward to who is responsible for editing these articles.
It is entirely possible that I am wrong, but the the way the rules are written I don't see any room for interpretation going solely off the rules page. If the intent of the rules is that using communication outside of the game is not cheating then the rules should be clarified (for example as I have suggested at the bottom of my post) because they are not written that way (as I think I have argued fairly objectively in my post).
it's not up to you to decide what is cheating or not, we wouldn't endorse something that actively breaks the rules otherwise.
Please point out where in my post it makes you think I am trying to dictate what is and what isn't cheating. That was not my intention and I will edit the parts that are unclear. My intention was to point out why the rules, as written, say that using communication tools outside the game is cheating. As far as I know forum moderators don't have special "administrative" (in terms of the game, not the forum) permission which is why I posted that I disagree with what I perceive as your personal opinion and pointed out that the rules, as written, do not support your claim which again, I think is your personal opinion and not "official information" or an official "ruling".
I am sorry that you feel so attacked by my post that you need to resort to personal attack (the last paragraph - it is unnecessary and to me reads as nothing but a personal attack) but even if your post is "official / administrative" information / an official "ruling" your last paragraph is uncalled for and I would like to request that in the future you refrain from personal attacks. I did not attack you in my post, I would like to request that you show me the same respect and don't personally attack me either. If a part of my post is offensive to you or can be considered as a personal attack then please point it out and I will edit it. Attacking you was not my intention. Please feel free (or any other forum moderator) to edit out this paragraph of this post if you remove your last paragraph.
Please feel free (or anyone else) to make a constructive post pointing out where I am going wrong in my reading of the rules. I am only going by the rules as written because I don't have any insight into what the developers are thinking, which is something you might have.
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If comms werent allowed guys people couldnt play on xbox ps or steam which all have built in voice communication by default
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Yes, comms are unfair, it offers information that should otherwise not be accessible and the only reason BHVR hasn't done anything to stop this is because they are intact siding with survivors, it feels like *most people in this thread misread me for saying we should ban comms and anyone who uses comms, I'm just pointing out that the EULA clearly contradicts what the devs have made exception for to pander to 1% of players according to every survivor player on here, and am suggesting if they're not going to enforce it then they need to give us more blood points in the end so we can work closer to get better perks, solo queueing could also see extra bp I'm ok with that idea, but how is any of this controversial?
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Okay so just asking how would you enforce the rule of comms falling under 3rd party software abuse?
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By definition in the BHVR tos it was and possibly still is, there isn't anything false by that, we acknowledge you clearly state that you're ok with it we're asking for bp, don't stray from the idea I kinda like it
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Not asking for enforcement I'm asking about extra bp, the existence of comms shouldn't dictate the extra bp, it's easier to just flat give extra, let em use comms but give us more points
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This post has gone beyond me
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Here's the facts:
- The game allows people to play with their friends.
- Behaviour can't track every single type of communication app to find out if people are using comms or not. This is why they won't ever ban people for using them.
Give killers bp rewards for facing swf teams and maybe lower the pipping threshold but nobody should except behaviour to do something that is impossible.
If they made a mistake in the wording of one of their rules then they need to change it.
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I'd hardly call highlighting a clear exception in the official Game Rules as them getting a rule wrong.
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Begging you to actually read what I said, also if it has to stated that they would make it an exception for communication applications that are clearly defined as 3rd party then they're making exceptions for their rules, but per that term it is considered in regard to be a 3rd party asset they clearly chose to exonerate, again however, and I cannot stress this enough, I'm asking for a flat bp multiplier, the way I perceive the game development process is my own prerogative and I will agree to disagree that I believe it's just a cop out to BHVR to not ban based on comms and I don't disagree with the idea of it, I can also and have also felt the harm in it, it's selective enforcement to me, rules to you, it's my opinion and I don't need to change yours, HOWEVER, I will ask you if you think the multiplier for bp based on the amount of people in a SWF group is a good or a bad idea
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I don't know what the rules say tbh. I just seen a lot of people pull up parts of the Game Rules and use them as part of their argument.
All I meant was that if something in the rules isn't exactly in line with what the devs believe then they should change it. If nothings wrong then keep it the same 👍
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I'm sorry you all have no friends to play with, but this game would die without voice comms...
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I read what you said, in the comment I replied to you in... And countered what you said in that comment...
You said,
"No, they're not allowed because the game doesn't provide in game comms, you have to use external assets to do so, which clearly violates the tos but BHVR doesn't enforce this rule"
And I showed you the screenshot proving they are allowed. It doesn't violate the TOS as they have Whitelisted the program.
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Yet again missing the point
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Nah not missing any point, just tired of repeating the same old arguments week after week.
Voice comms is not a guaranteed advantage, communication is a skill in itself and I do way better solo than I do with my friends in voice chat.
You all just need to stop crying when you lose a game and blaming it on SWF.
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And I stated that I disagree with the notion because it is only what the devs make exceptions for, it's defined against tos, but tos makes exceptions but by definition it still is under that term the only reason it gets a pass is because if you were to do anything about it you'd bite off more than you could chew in issues, so yes, against top but made an exception, I take this as you're going to ignore my previous question though?
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The devs have stated they don't have a problem with them, though.
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You seemed to have only read the part about SWF this entire time, I'm asking for a constructive idea to just give killers more points for having to deal with that, simple, yet people don't even bring this up time after time in the thread, literally everyone missing my point
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I'm ignoring a lot of this thread if I'm being perfectly honest and only replying to this one point.
If you really want my input I don't think your idea is great. It'd be a bandaid fix to help temporarily encourage people to face these teams in exchange for virtual points which can get them like, 3 more brown add-ons how exciting.
I'd much rather they focus on balancing these teams vs solo teams much quicker than implement this syetem and use any amount of resources on it, delaying the actual fix. No offence.
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Yes, ik just asking for more bp
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Killers get enough points.
I get an average of 25k to 32k BP as Killer, with BBQ and a cake that's at least 75k.
As survivor, I'm lucky to get 20k, and lucky to get 2 stacks of WGLF, and depleted the last of my cakes almost the instant the anniversary ended.
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Imo just make it so a 3 or 4 man can't take more than 1 of the same perk. 2 man should stay the same. Thats a good way to start. Swf offers no risk high reward.
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Well we all have our own way of seeing things, I don't believe we should have anything like comms removed but it's contradictory to their tos regardless of an exception, infant it being an exception is what makes it contradictory but regardless idrc either way I'm more of a grinder who wants to get to the top but grinding bp is absolutely abysmal in the current game as killer/ solo survivor, sure there's dailies and other ways to earn bp but just a little extra goes a long way for your player majority
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When's the anniversary next?
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Oh across the board Bloodpoints buffs and grind reduction, yes. Just not for exclusively facing SWF and definitely not as a fix for it.
I'd rather they fix both issues seperately and fully instead of bandaiding both.
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Oh, BP is awesome, keep up the good fight!
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One of the best killer main sided posts i've ever seen.
SMH. So sad...
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