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Yes, SWFs exist

You aren't going to enforce an anti-cheat that nulls comms just multiply bp earned for the killer and be done with it, SWF 2( x1.05) 3(x1.10) 4(x1.15) bam done! Or more idk what do y’all think?

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  • SleepyWillo
    SleepyWillo Member Posts: 2,197

    or boost BP for solos?

  • ukenicky
    ukenicky Member Posts: 1,352

    Ah.. Well I'd be on board with your idea as well as a bonus for solo queue survivors.

    That or things to make the bp grind less painful on both sides because it's insane lol

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    It is insane for no reason tbh just a ploy for more bp ig

  • SleepyWillo
    SleepyWillo Member Posts: 2,197

    Might as well ban people for having steam chat open too

  • R2k
    R2k Member Posts: 1,069

    What do u need bp for? Unless your goal is to p3 every single character, it's very overestimated currency.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,160

    Maybe because in any other online multiplayer game both sides can gain the same advantage?

    DBD is the sole survivor of the asymmetric genre and I guess that the one-sided effect of third party was also a partial reason.

    There is a group of german youtubers that i watch started group videos playing DBD, last year and a few other games until now and after getting a little better at those games even they notocedthat with coordination they can directly fight against the killer in both games and only one or two from this group that dedicated more time into the killer role were even able to get a "win".

    So even noobs can notice fast how to take advantage of coordination via comms.

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,386
    edited September 2021

    Survivor is still ateam game, and you're expected to be able to communicate with your team.

    Voice chat is entirely condoned and supported by BHVR. The only reason it isn't built into the game is because it doesn't need to be, there's already so many ways to access voice chat, it's even built right into consoles so you can't even twist it into being "third party software".

    It is not an "unfair advantage" for survivors, rather it is a disadvantage for solos who don't have it.

    And if you've ever played with my friends.... nope. I do way better as a solo survivor. Voice comms is not a guaranteed advantage.

    BHVR has already said they won't give more BP for solos, because that would still be penalising people for playing with their friends.

  • justbecause
    justbecause Member Posts: 1,521

    No it's not cheating... And never will be might be in your mind but far from reality

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,160

    Ehm did i specifically talk about swf or third party programs?

    And yes these third party programs Advantages are only applicable to one side.

    Btw console have, as far as I know a built in voice chat which does the same thing.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,160
    edited September 2021

    It still passively substitute for over 10 perks that solo wouldve to equip which is impossible. Example like bond, kindred, buckle up and other aura reading perks.

    If that isn't a built in potential for advantage at least over solo survivor then i don't know what to tell you.

    And I don't give a damn about what the devs condone or not. They are simply not able to deny things like camping, tunneling, slugging or comms so they just declare them okay to bypass any form of responsibility in my eyes.

    Edit: it is also not built in this game because I don't think they would manage without breaking something else and it would give killer player a base argument to cry for way more buffs. But since solo without comms is still existing there is a counterargument.

  • Madjura
    Madjura Member Posts: 2,460

    I have explained why the rules as written say that using communication outside of the game is cheating. I am not making any presumptions about what the developers actually intend the rules to be, I am going only off how they are written. If you disagree please point out why it does not say that or where I am going wrong in my argumentation. I have also provided a suggestion how this can be fixed quite easily at the bottom of my post - please feel free to edit the game rules page if you can do this yourself or forward the suggestion forward to who is responsible for editing these articles.

    It is entirely possible that I am wrong, but the the way the rules are written I don't see any room for interpretation going solely off the rules page. If the intent of the rules is that using communication outside of the game is not cheating then the rules should be clarified (for example as I have suggested at the bottom of my post) because they are not written that way (as I think I have argued fairly objectively in my post).

    it's not up to you to decide what is cheating or not, we wouldn't endorse something that actively breaks the rules otherwise.

    Please point out where in my post it makes you think I am trying to dictate what is and what isn't cheating. That was not my intention and I will edit the parts that are unclear. My intention was to point out why the rules, as written, say that using communication tools outside the game is cheating. As far as I know forum moderators don't have special "administrative" (in terms of the game, not the forum) permission which is why I posted that I disagree with what I perceive as your personal opinion and pointed out that the rules, as written, do not support your claim which again, I think is your personal opinion and not "official information" or an official "ruling".

    I am sorry that you feel so attacked by my post that you need to resort to personal attack (the last paragraph - it is unnecessary and to me reads as nothing but a personal attack) but even if your post is "official / administrative" information / an official "ruling" your last paragraph is uncalled for and I would like to request that in the future you refrain from personal attacks. I did not attack you in my post, I would like to request that you show me the same respect and don't personally attack me either. If a part of my post is offensive to you or can be considered as a personal attack then please point it out and I will edit it. Attacking you was not my intention. Please feel free (or any other forum moderator) to edit out this paragraph of this post if you remove your last paragraph.

    Please feel free (or anyone else) to make a constructive post pointing out where I am going wrong in my reading of the rules. I am only going by the rules as written because I don't have any insight into what the developers are thinking, which is something you might have.

  • GuyFawx
    GuyFawx Member Posts: 2,027

    If comms werent allowed guys people couldnt play on xbox ps or steam which all have built in voice communication by default

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    Yes, comms are unfair, it offers information that should otherwise not be accessible and the only reason BHVR hasn't done anything to stop this is because they are intact siding with survivors, it feels like *most people in this thread misread me for saying we should ban comms and anyone who uses comms, I'm just pointing out that the EULA clearly contradicts what the devs have made exception for to pander to 1% of players according to every survivor player on here, and am suggesting if they're not going to enforce it then they need to give us more blood points in the end so we can work closer to get better perks, solo queueing could also see extra bp I'm ok with that idea, but how is any of this controversial?

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,800

    Okay so just asking how would you enforce the rule of comms falling under 3rd party software abuse?

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    By definition in the BHVR tos it was and possibly still is, there isn't anything false by that, we acknowledge you clearly state that you're ok with it we're asking for bp, don't stray from the idea I kinda like it

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    Not asking for enforcement I'm asking about extra bp, the existence of comms shouldn't dictate the extra bp, it's easier to just flat give extra, let em use comms but give us more points

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    This post has gone beyond me

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,564

    Here's the facts:

    1. The game allows people to play with their friends.
    2. Behaviour can't track every single type of communication app to find out if people are using comms or not. This is why they won't ever ban people for using them.

    Give killers bp rewards for facing swf teams and maybe lower the pipping threshold but nobody should except behaviour to do something that is impossible.

    If they made a mistake in the wording of one of their rules then they need to change it.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,800

    I'd hardly call highlighting a clear exception in the official Game Rules as them getting a rule wrong.

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    Begging you to actually read what I said, also if it has to stated that they would make it an exception for communication applications that are clearly defined as 3rd party then they're making exceptions for their rules, but per that term it is considered in regard to be a 3rd party asset they clearly chose to exonerate, again however, and I cannot stress this enough, I'm asking for a flat bp multiplier, the way I perceive the game development process is my own prerogative and I will agree to disagree that I believe it's just a cop out to BHVR to not ban based on comms and I don't disagree with the idea of it, I can also and have also felt the harm in it, it's selective enforcement to me, rules to you, it's my opinion and I don't need to change yours, HOWEVER, I will ask you if you think the multiplier for bp based on the amount of people in a SWF group is a good or a bad idea

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,564

    I don't know what the rules say tbh. I just seen a lot of people pull up parts of the Game Rules and use them as part of their argument.

    All I meant was that if something in the rules isn't exactly in line with what the devs believe then they should change it. If nothings wrong then keep it the same 👍

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,386

    I'm sorry you all have no friends to play with, but this game would die without voice comms...

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,800
    edited September 2021

    I read what you said, in the comment I replied to you in... And countered what you said in that comment...

    You said,

    "No, they're not allowed because the game doesn't provide in game comms, you have to use external assets to do so, which clearly violates the tos but BHVR doesn't enforce this rule"

    And I showed you the screenshot proving they are allowed. It doesn't violate the TOS as they have Whitelisted the program.

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,386

    Nah not missing any point, just tired of repeating the same old arguments week after week.

    Voice comms is not a guaranteed advantage, communication is a skill in itself and I do way better solo than I do with my friends in voice chat.

    You all just need to stop crying when you lose a game and blaming it on SWF.

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    And I stated that I disagree with the notion because it is only what the devs make exceptions for, it's defined against tos, but tos makes exceptions but by definition it still is under that term the only reason it gets a pass is because if you were to do anything about it you'd bite off more than you could chew in issues, so yes, against top but made an exception, I take this as you're going to ignore my previous question though?

  • FellowKillerMain
    FellowKillerMain Member Posts: 858

    The devs have stated they don't have a problem with them, though.

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    You seemed to have only read the part about SWF this entire time, I'm asking for a constructive idea to just give killers more points for having to deal with that, simple, yet people don't even bring this up time after time in the thread, literally everyone missing my point

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,800

    I'm ignoring a lot of this thread if I'm being perfectly honest and only replying to this one point.

    If you really want my input I don't think your idea is great. It'd be a bandaid fix to help temporarily encourage people to face these teams in exchange for virtual points which can get them like, 3 more brown add-ons how exciting.

    I'd much rather they focus on balancing these teams vs solo teams much quicker than implement this syetem and use any amount of resources on it, delaying the actual fix. No offence.

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,386

    Killers get enough points.

    I get an average of 25k to 32k BP as Killer, with BBQ and a cake that's at least 75k.

    As survivor, I'm lucky to get 20k, and lucky to get 2 stacks of WGLF, and depleted the last of my cakes almost the instant the anniversary ended.

  • Unifall
    Unifall Member Posts: 747

    Imo just make it so a 3 or 4 man can't take more than 1 of the same perk. 2 man should stay the same. Thats a good way to start. Swf offers no risk high reward.

  • KillerMain4Ever
    KillerMain4Ever Member Posts: 147

    Well we all have our own way of seeing things, I don't believe we should have anything like comms removed but it's contradictory to their tos regardless of an exception, infant it being an exception is what makes it contradictory but regardless idrc either way I'm more of a grinder who wants to get to the top but grinding bp is absolutely abysmal in the current game as killer/ solo survivor, sure there's dailies and other ways to earn bp but just a little extra goes a long way for your player majority

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,800

    Oh across the board Bloodpoints buffs and grind reduction, yes. Just not for exclusively facing SWF and definitely not as a fix for it.

    I'd rather they fix both issues seperately and fully instead of bandaiding both.

  • ThanksForDaily
    ThanksForDaily Member Posts: 1,305

    One of the best killer main sided posts i've ever seen.

    SMH. So sad...