I feel like a lot of toxic survivor mains are just not seeing how unfair DBD killer is ATM.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with you.

I'm just pointing out this person is being childish because they don't agree with the things you are saying.

If they're bringing 4 toolboxes then you need to apply more gen pressure... that means less chases and especially less time wasted looping survivors. If a survivor takes you through a good loop for even 15-20s then you've probably already lost against 4 toolboxes. Even worse if they all split up because it's harder to come back from that without ruin.

I don't get the mentality toxic survivors have. Not even going into why they're being toxic for basically no reason. Let's talk about the practicality of their actions.

A Leatherface camps someone to death, and that's the only kill they get. You can argue they should be tbagged because they were that petty to that person and basically ruined their game.

But that's not even the people they tbag most of the time. It's usually a killer who tried to pressure all 4 survivors, hooked everyone at least once, never went for the same person twice, never camped. Maybe they used full gen defence, but can really blame them? The survivors will still tbag at the exits anyway, like the killer did something wrong to deserve it.

It's because of this behavior that killers start to camp and tunnel when they never did. They're gonna suffer some toxicity either way, so why not face camp for the 1k? Probably better kill results than actually trying to have many chases and show off their skill. It's the sad story of the killer role right now.

I spent all day yesterday watching various streamers on Twitch. My goal was to find those who were playing killer and just see what kind of an experience they were having. These were my observations.

1) Finding streamers that main killers is hard.

2) Those who did play killer never had more than 1 or 2 "good" games in a row but often had large strings of games where they got stomped.

3) Almost all of them, at some point, said "Well, I'm done with this. It's survivor for the rest of the night for me."

4) I can think of 4 or 5 off the top of my head that just abruptly ended their streams after a series of brutal killer games.

5) Not one streamer playing survivor had any of these reactions from their survivor experiences.

These experiences came from streamers of all audience sizes, experience, and exposure levels("popularity"). This isn't an instance of a handful of people that need to "get good". The game is in a rough spot for killers right now and it's actually pushing people away from the role.

I don't blame survivors for this, they're just playing the roles they're given. This is entirely on BHVR. I also firmly believe that after 5 years of development that the game is playing exactly the way they want it to be.

This belief is further cemented by the string of mediocre killer releases, uncalled for killer nerfs(Deathslinger? Really?), coming down on the few killers that actually do well(Spirit), and the introduction of Boon Totems. I firmly believe that the experience killers are having is the experience BHVR wants them to have. For whatever reason.

I don't know what the answer is but I think it's obvious, to those who want to look at the situation objectively, that killers are in a bad spot at the moment. Anecdotal "I do just fine" experiences aside, what I saw yesterday speaks to an actual problem.

I dislike it aswell that we can't switch Killer anymore but this one thing is the Community's fault.

There were quite some people who wanted a matchmaking system which differs between the killers but if you want such a system you can't keep the killer switch in the lobby because you could join the lobby with a weaker killer to get weaker Survs and than switch back to a stronger killer and destroy the Survs.

Imo the Community should have asked for a good training mode instead of killer specific matchmaking but now it's too late (not for a training mode, but for the killer switch in the lobby).

I also disagree that survivors always only get support in this forum. A while ago there was a discussion, where a surv complained about losing 20 games without the MMR-System adjusting to it and a bit more recently someone made basically the same discussion from a killers perspective. Both posts had supportive comments and both had comments like "if you lose that often you are just bad".

Just like in the game there are people in this forum who are biased towards Killers and people who are biased towards Survivors and people who are neutral, so there will always be people who support a complaint from one side, people who try to discredit the complain and people who try to have a civil discussion about it but that is not specific to the discussion from one side.

"Whenever a survivor complains they get nothing but support."

You have only 22 posts on these forums and it very much shows.

not a good argument, but:

LBR, the entire game seems to get skewed for people who don't want to adjust their playstyles. Survivors more so than killers.

Killers get nerfed to allow survivors to not change their tactics, then killers get some really absurd pseudo-buffs to allow killers to be all played the same with only their abilities being slightly different.

And that is the issue.

When people say 'killer has never been easier' it's usually because they (as survivor) have become utterly predictable in how they'll go about every match, regardless of killer. To the point that even new players who only watched matches before know how to bait Dead Hard etc.

So, of course killer is 'easy' when survivors have only one MO. Easy, but no fun. for either side.

Thus, bhvr listening too much to survivors is not entirely correct. Bhvr catering too much to the wrong kind of survivors however, is.

They do see and they enjoy it. They enjoy making killer's experiences miserable.

Most survivors act toxic to annoy the killer in my exp, esp. when they're SWFs.

And when killers react or just play efficient, most of them just want to win.

The motives are the difference. Survs actually have the time to act toxic, killers not really.

Basically yeah, but if you can't put pressure on the whole map then choose a rotation of gens that you're always going to check. Preferrably ones that are closer to each other, and there are ~5 that meet that criteria. Not every killer needs map pressure and it's OK to give up a couple gens to save the rest of the game