Should Wraith's out of cloak speed duration nerf go through?

Wraith's base kit is fine. All Seeing Blood and maybe Coxcombed Clapper needs nerfed, though.

Yeah im fine with this

Its really boring and annoying when a wraith hits you, then immediately cloaks and just tries to down you with the lunge.

Every wraith does it and its such repetitive boring gameplay

This little nerf should hopefully make people play him the way youre supposed to play him, it clearly wasnt intentional that wraith should chase people while cloaked

that would be way too much. specially 1,75

every time i ask about it no one responds

oh please, i really want to hear someone explain why. the only time someone decided to explain to me why it is they told me it was because of all seeing blood

that would make sense if Wraith´s most effective tactic wasnt just uncloaking on your back. i think Wraith actually going for strange angles to try and get grabs or jumpscares might actually be more healthy for the game and fun for survivors than him just uncloaking behind you 0 ######### given and smack you.

I understand the all seeing change well enough, it was very strong , however removing his ability to play loops effectively will just make him trash again

Nerfing his already weaker than average chase only cements hit and run as the only viable play style. Which is boring for both sides.

It's less that Wraith is super powerful at high ranks (he's not)

and more because he's just easy to play.

Wraith has a much lower skill floor because of how simple his power is: invisibility + movespeed and that's really it. There's not much nuance to Wraith that requires hours of practice to be able to use him effectively compared to say the other two original killers:

• Trapper has always been weak because of the time it takes to setup but even beyond this, playing well requires map knowledge, knowing how to budget your time efficiently between setting traps and applying pressure to survivors, where to place your traps (place them in obvious places like beneath windows and pallets where they might be easily disarmed, or less obvious places where nobody might walk into them? Or something in between?), knowing how to appropriately herd survivors into dangerous areas where they will get caught in pre-set traps, etc.
• Hillbilly, who has a mechanically more difficult power to control, you need to be able to gauge time and distance between how quick you can rev up a chainsaw and whether or not the survivor you intend to hit is going to be able to make it around the loop or behind some obstacle in time? You need to be mindful of how quickly the chainsaw moves you forward such that you don't accidentally sprint past your target. You've also got to be able to handle sudden and sharp turns with the chainsaw as hillbilly so that you can effectively use the power at different loops. Keeping an eye on your chainsaw cooldown to make sure it doesn't overheat; knowing when to use your chainsaw or just use a simple M1 is its own skill in itself as well.

Wraith doesn't really have to think about any of these things. Don't get me wrong, every killer requires their own set of knowledge and skillset to be able to use and more importantly to use effectively, but I think most or at least many people might be able to get behind me when I say Wraith has become more mindless in recent history. Get a snappy hit on one survivor, disengage, go to another survivor, hit them, disengage again, and then return to the first and catch them unaware for a quick down. Rinse and repeat.

Let's be real here, the speed boost Wraith has when uncloaking is used more often to catch survivors out of position before they can get to a pallet or window more often than it is as an actual anti-looping tool. This kind of playstyle often left survivors feeling a bit frustrated or at least mildly annoyed- because they aren't getting a chance to express their own skill in chases, and more tense and exciting interactions with the killer gave way to these short stunted interactions leaving a bit more to be desired.

I'm not sure if this was the right change to be made, whether it was too much or too little, but I think Wraith needed some small tempering back a bit which is something I don't think I ever thought I'd say. Again, not because he's powerful- but because the lower skill floor means it can sometimes feel as though less skilled players are getting rewarded for not as much effort.

There is not a single argument that can be made for current CC that can't also be made for old Prayer Beads on Spirit. They're the exact same effect, just with the charge time on the other end. Keep the effect, but lower the movement speed down to pre-buff cloaked speed when using it so that you trade pure stealth for map pressure.

I'm guessing you're a new player, or you missed the word "old" in front of Prayer Beads. Back in the day, Prayer Beads just removed all of Spirit's phasing noise, no matter if in TR or not. So you would be sitting on a gen or doing a totem, and you'd just suddenly be grabbed off of it when Spirit appeared on top of you with literally 0 sound. It was incredibly stupid, just like current CC.

It depends on the style. I prefer windstorm lunging, in which you are correct, it doesn't matter. But the other super popular style is hit and run wraith, in which case it ensures survivors have no time to react by removing the audio cue, so if they're out of LOS its a free hit. Run sloppy and do that 5x times, and its gg.

And yes, I've been playing Wraith since before the original Windstorm buff. And shockingly, even before this most recent buff, CC was still incredibly strong. Full stealth isn't a "meme" addon, its other killers entire power. And having full silent bell with 126% movement speed while cloaked, the ability to combo it with allseeing, and a lunge greater than T3 Myers that the survivor has next to no time to react to isn't a meme, it's incredibly strong.