Why is tunneling bad, but genrush good?

Genrush is something that often happens without direct intention. It’s a result from dull game design for survivors. Of course there are the sweat squads that bring in BNPs, Prove Thyself and play super coordinated. And that kind is always considered toxic by the community. But it can just happen in soloQ when matchmaking is bad (for the killer) and the survs rush through the gens because there is not much else to do.

Tunneling and camping -especially when genrush didn’t even happen- is considered toxic because it’s a direct intentional attack against one player/surv who can’t really do anything against it. And we are talking about the case where the killer actually succeeds in eliminating one surv out quickly. Because tunneling against a pro surv player is mostly resulting in genrush and 3-4 man Exit Gate teabags and That kind of tunneling is only considered toxic by those toxic survs themselves to rub salt in the wound. Don’t take them seriously.

I don't even know what meaning of "genrush" you are going for at this point. "Doing gens as fast as possible" isn't a strategy, it's the main goal of survivors. If you mean prioritizing gens over healing/totems etc then that's not something I believe is a problem since there are things like Devour/Noed that punish this and this also leaves survivors more exposed to slugging. If you mean survivors bringing multiple strong toolboxes to do generators faster, that's just them investing more in the match. You are free to use iridescent addons to match this and it would be around balanced.

On the case of tunneling, it is an overpowered killer strategy but it is not toxic, because no strategy that's used to win a game is toxic. That's not what "toxic" means. DS and BT soft-counter this but overall it's always a viable strategy and I believe it isn't a big problem.

idk where i said they didnt

None of them is bad. Maybe tunneling is not optimal because you will eat DS if you are not careful. But getting someone out of the game as soon as possible is what you should do if you have a clear opportuntity to do so. On survivor side i've never understood what "gen rushing" even means. Yeah their main objective is m1 gens and leave.

I guess you are right but you can deal with noed much more easily if you keep track of the dull totems you see (specially if you are in comms in a swf). On the other hand, I think i saw in asome stats that DS is brought by 40% of survivors and getting hit by it kills your tempo, that's why I think you should be more careful when you tunnel than when you genrush, it's much more safe to genrush consistently IMO. For example i would tunnel if i saw a survivor that was unhooked recently that performed an action that cancels DS, or if i am in a chase and i have to pick between 2 survivors i'd go for the one that has more hookstages (i don't know if that case could be considered tunnelling tho).

Imagine a world where it was easy for a killer to get the first hit on any given survivor, but tough to get the second one. Maybe survivors move slower while healthy and faster while injured or something. Suddenly, we have an environment where survivors find that they are healing each other more often (and thus not working on gens) because it's so trivial for the killer to wound half the team or more. And killers are more likely to go after the unhooker than the unhooked because they're outta there, while the unhooker is plodding away at a turtle's pace.

Survivors have more to do (healing), gens go slower, killers don't tunnel as much, and everybody gets more points (for hits and heals). And one-hit down killers, I dunno, negate the healthy survivor slow down. If you can hear a chainsaw, you're moving at normal speed.

Both are good strategies. If someone says different they are always biased. Only survivors complains about tunneling while killers complain about gen rush. I wonder why? Bad losers that is all.

Tactics that are called cheap usually have the same qualities (a) they're effective (b) they're hard to counter. I also consider them from a third point of view: are they fun for me and for my opponent? That's why I normally don't intentionally tunnel or camp. Unless the survivor wants to Earl Grey bag me I don't tunnel and I'd prefer if any deaths started happening after 8 hooks. Why? A longer game is more fun and gives more BP.

Intentional genrushing from SWF is not fun either. The only good thing to say about it is it'll lower your MMR and increase your chances of getting an enjoyable game.

That said, sometimes it's not intentional. I may have appeared to have been tunneling but I wasn't. As an example, it's just as I was running to a gen away from a hook your teammate pulled you off while you were still in my TR instead of waiting 10 seconds for me to be somewhere else. As a solo survivor queue, by pure chance the gens just flew because the game put four survivors by four gens and the killer was far away.

I'm not a fan either being done intentionally but that's also why I like the Plague. If the survivors don't do the secondary objective they get the Broken condition and vomit and cough so much the only thing I need to find them is ears. I think there needs to be more 'do the secondary objective or get punished by not doing them' mechanics. Maybe allow killers with Hexes to reactivate their Hex if dull totems aren't cleansed?

However, to get to your original question, if one of those tactics is toxic the other is as well and vice versa in my opinion. I think both of those tactics have their place but the problem is that neither of those tactics makes for a fun game for both sides.

Why my side bad and your side good?

When one side is putting the other down in every single one of their posts can you blame the other for defending themselves?

Currently u can do two gens in 16 sec 4 man swf full of toolboxes. Can u tell me how your changes counter it? I very sleepy to do math.

Lol

This is exactly my thoughts on it as well. I had a killer facecamp and tunnel me to death yesterday because I stunned him with 2 pallets. He got mad and made sure I was unable to even play. I understand genrushing isn't fun, but the killer is still able to play and earn points. It really does need looked into. Great post btw!

I am talking about this forum not in the game. But as for the game goes, you can only be trash talked at the end game chat. Unless you mean Tea-bagging which isn't that big of a deal. Neither is being hit on the hook for that matter. Yes, they are both BM but they are not that big of a deal imo. I don't do either unless I am butthurt and when I see others doing it I just assume they are butthurt. I assume you mean as a killer you get trash talked in the end game chat more often and you are not wrong. There are 2 reasons for this:

1. There are 4 survivors and 1 killer that means as a killer you have 4x the chance of encountering a trash talking survivor.
2. Again, because there are 4 survivors and 1 killer the killer is afraid to trash talk due to the fact that he may potentially have to argue with 4 people. Which is easy when you win but not easy when you lose.

From my experience you see a trash talking killer one in every ~10 match's while you see trash talking survivors one in every ~3 match's. Would you say this is about your experience as well?

@NOED What I was saying is survivors are not rampantly crying for NOED nerfs and when they do they get shut down fast.