4 Dead Hards are annoying.. but..
Do you really prefer having 4 good survivors sprint bursting in your face every time you get close to them? I think it will piss off people more.
And SB would replace DH if dead hard will get nerfed, be sure of that.
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I mean dead hard is arguably more powerful and useful in situations since it's on-demand while you have to do some setup with sprint burst to make it on demand. Also even if dead hard gets nerfed let's be honest both were meta perks before and the only reason people use sprint burst less is that dead hard can give more value a lot of the time, especially in cases where you are injured unhook the survivor with borrowed time and dead hard through them, saving both you and the other survivor, you can't do that with sprint burst.
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Sprint Burst is stronger and this is not even a discussion IMO. Sprint Burst makes every area safe, this is not the case with Dead Hard. You can be in the biggest Deadzone, DH does exactly nothing, Sprint Burst means you are safe. Let alone that it is more frustrating to see Survivors sit on a Gen until the very last second, just to see them zoom off without any risk at all.
When Balanced Landing got nerfed, the players replaced it with DH or Sprint Burst (and some probably with Lithe), if DH gets nerfed, there would be so many Sprint Bursts, it would not be funny at all.
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I probably would prefer it, yes. But I do not really care too much one way or the other.
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SB would definitely replace DH but I think the biggest issue people have with DH is the fact it feels cheap and can be very frustrating at times since you know it's coming but there's nothing you can do about it and the Survivor using it will always be able to extend the chase by an amount of time that can be pretty significant depending on the RNG of the loops that spawn (if used properly, needless to say).
Not to mention how it impacts some killers much more heavily than others due to how their power works (hello Trapper) and requires basically not effort in almost every situation compared to SB which at least needs to be managed in some way for you to have it during a chase.
Then there's also the latency issue that can be annoying for either side funnily enough.
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Maybe I am just biased since I play Nurse, but I have never really had any problem with sprint burst players since typically I can catch them even with sprint burst especially since most sprint bursters run in a straight line, I can understand low mobility killers like trapper would have more trouble with them though.
I guess I am on team dead hard then because I really love how much use you can get out of it I would much rather use dead hard over sprint burst any day. Though I do agree that sprint burst is useful at times, I feel much much safer using dead hard.
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I love going against sprint burst gamers because if I see it once I can prepare. In complete contrast to this, Deadhard is a perk that you will only find out about after wasting a significant amount of time <thirty seconds plus>.
I would be happier if they simple made it so that dead hard worked like and injured sprint burst <Holding the run button makes you have a slightly stronger sprint burst to escape killer>.
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Yeah but killers then would say that if feels cheap that a survivor does a gen in their face and then runs 50 km away from them. It's also cheap to hold W as many people hate, sprint burst would make it stronger since you gain distance on the killer so you gotta use that momentum to gain more distance.
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tbh only new killers are eating that dead hard after bt save thing, an experienced killer always gets that trade.
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People keep saying that SB is better than DH. but still 90% of my matches as a killer survivors use DH. I would particularly prefer that all survivors use SB so at least I could choose whether I would compromise during the chase or look for another survivor and would know that if I could get close enough to the survivor or do a mindgame on him I would know it would be the end of the chase. I wouldn't have the Hit stolen from me simply because the survivor pressed E
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You would be surprised, most killers don't expect it since they believe they can get the hit before you dead hard, since typically unhooking leaves the unhooker in the open. Its all a matter of timing it I suppose.
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That's a very good point, although I feel like most killers would be able to play way better around SB than DH with their powers (either due to mobility or ranged abilities for example), and not having SB doesn't prevent survivors from doing gens in your face atm anyway so I don't think that would change too much tbh, not saying 4 SB every game would be fun since the meta is always stale and boring but still, Sb doesn't extend chases/make Killers lose them after they've already committed a lot of time to it unlike DH (unless they're a SB god then maybe it can, personally I haven't seen it have as much impact as DH despite how much more distance it provides)
Holding W is another issue altogether imo but I do agree SB might make it worse however
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tbh dead hard is the strongest against nurse since she must take a shot, so i understand. also smart SB players would not run in a straight line against a nurse.
you can prepare for dead hard as well, if you didn't see any othher exhuastion perk on them, they most likely have it and if they're not using it for distance just bait it out and they're done for. that's what i do and it always works.
If i think I won't make it I'll stay patient and let him unhook and use his dead hard, it never worked on me i swear.
good survivors won't let you him them before SB procs. also their SB is always guaranteed not like DH that many times doesn't work.
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Dead hard extend chases at the end while SB makes the first hit even harder and can extend the duration it takes you to get the first hit.
SB will always work, many times dead hard doesn't work or is used badly by the survivor. imo i think it's easier to bait dead hards than to eat 4 SB and play a catch up game everytime you try to get a hit, it becomes a game of frustraion because survivors will become harder to injure.
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People use DH is just like third health state. Definitely DH is more annoying than SB.
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I can see it now..
DH gets nerfed and everybody switches to SB and killers complain about that. Lol
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Well the thing is at some point it's not about baiting DH, since the right way to use it during a chase is not to dodge a hit (unless you're going against Huntress, Deathlinger or Nurse let's say), but to get a guaranteed pallet/window, and in those situations if the survivor is also good at looping there is abolustely nothing you can do, you have to commit to a chase you already know will be extended by DH no matter what since you can't bait a DH for distance which makes it so your first hit might already be hard to land depending on the survivor's skill, but you have to commit knowing your second hit will be much harder to land and possibly waste all the time you've spent if you lose the chase or they extend it too much thanks to the perk.
As for DH not working it's either a problem with latency or the survivor not knowing how to use it to begin with and people shouldn't have a hard time dealing with the latter anyway.
Again I do understand the frustration SB would cause and I agree, but SB is less frustrating to go against in most aspects in my opinion at least and doesn't combo with vault builds as well on top of it either
Edit : fixed typos
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Usually I’m playing with dead hard but whenever I play with sprint burst I wonder why I’m using dead hard. Sprint burst is better and more fun to use
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Everyone that keeps saying dead hard has never played survivor for an extended amount of time 😂
The perk does not even work 30% of the time. Ever heard the saying "exhausted on the ground". Because I can confirm that is definitely a thing lol. And most people that play this game don't even use the perk strongly. In my opinion DH is easily the most overrated survivor perk. Now if most survivors were to use SP y'all would want SP nerfed. Because that perk would actually get used in a effective manner by most players, and it would work 100% of the time.
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Killer mains: "Nerf Dead Hard!"
After the Dead Hard nerf also killer mains: Nerf Sprint Burst!
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Sprint Burst requires a time efficiency that very few players know how to use. Most SB users either walk around 80% of the match, being essentially dead weight, or don't have the perk when needed. DH is usually available (unless instadowns) and just requires the press of a button.
Also SB is barely a chase perk. It won't help countering killers' mindgames, or make you dodge things like hatchets, shots, blinks, etc.
SB has potential to be stronger than DH, but that requires a lot of training on the perk unlike the second one which any monkey could learn how to use.
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Well said. The issue is that it totally negates some killer powers, which SB does not.
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I mean what do you think would happen. They both are clearly stronger then the other exhaustion perks. Also Survivors have been saying nerf freddy, freddy got nerfed, nerf spirit, spirit got nerfed, now it's blight.
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Sprint Burst isn't that hard to deal with compared to Dead Hard. You either let them Sprint Burst away, or don't swing at first so that you catch up to them. Dead Hard gives literal i-frames, and is used to prolong chases, not just discourage them.
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If 3 DH at deadzone doing Gen, the moment they hear TR coming, they will leave Gen for the closest vault/pallet. If 3 have Sprint burst, they can stay at the Gen for 3sec means 8% Gen progress. That moment can be important that you can use Pop or not.
This count to every time you chasing someone that pass a SB user on Gen, he will never leave Gen unless you give up on the one you're chasing. Just to have him activate his SB and now both make distance from you.
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yes i would take 4 sprint bursts over 4 dhs any day of the week.
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Before the BL nerf, it wasn't uncommon to see BL + DH, because the passive part of BL was strong enough that it was worth running it with another exhaustion perk.
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Sprint burst just gives survivors pitiful additional seconds while Dead hard can extend the chase for another half minute or more. Its like comparing and old used rusty car with a new one. Its the most unfair perk that the game have whether people want to assume it or not.
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Considering Dead Hard is the better perk, yeah
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Not really. The difference of distance sprint burst and dead hard gives you really isn't that big.
They are both strong but saying sprint burst is stronger without discusion really isn't the case.
They both fill different roles. Sprint burst makes every area safe. But Dead Hard allows you to play unsafe everywhere and still get away with it.
Sprint burst also won't help you if a trap is in the way, or a hatchet is flying at you. A blight who knows you have it will simply dash after you.
Just being aware of dead zones and not being in them also kinda negates what sprint burst does most of the time. Sure it's not always an option but it's more an option then it's not
Personally i would 100% rather face sprint bursters then dead harders. Sure they will always get to a tile but they atleast have to play it properly then.
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Any pallet or vault you could dead hard to and extend the chase you can sprint burst to, but you can do so from 40m (factoring a killer's lunge distance) away whereas Dead Hard only allows you to reach a pallet or vault within 8m.
If you Dead Hard and there's no vault or pallet within a 8m dash distance then you are getting hit regardless. Whereas 40m will allow you on most maps to reach some form of safety. Not to mention you can dash pass pallets getting yourself sucked into a hit when dropping or dash too close to a vault and lose momentum on the vault getting you hit. Sprint Burst you should never lose momentum on vaults or run pass pallets leading to being to hit due to a mistiming.
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The logic that SB is superior than DH is factually untrue... else people would be using it over DH.
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I would actually prefer 4 Sprint Bursts over 4 Dead Hards. And I wouldn't mind if they nerfed Dead Hard. But if that happens, and people start to complain about Sprint Burst until it gets nerfed. I'm gonna cry lmao
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Here's the thing. you can't 99 sprint burst if you're on a gen...
that's the sole reason it's not topping Dh, whereas you needa walk everywhere to make SB work,
compared to dh. even if you don't 99 exhaustion, you get it back while working on a gen
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We already been there back in days killers cried about Sprint burst so hard now since everyone changed to dead hard now they cry about dead hard funny thing tho there was no single dead hard Nerf thread before ds nerf I guess crying about ds than was more important lol
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Dead hard is stupid easy to play around. Always bait it out or instadown the survivor. It's a conditional perk, so deny the conditions that make dead hard possible.
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Bad - 4x dead hard
Worse - 4x sprint burst
Worst but still pretty funny - 4 identically dressed survivors all with different exhaustion perks
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I'd say sprint burst is one of the perks I hate to face the most because of how annoying it is. Is it OP? No. Annoying? Totally.
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