Spirit and wraith first, is nurse next?
So looking through most of the forum discussions and some from the past too, there was always a lot of complaints about spirit from survivors, some complained of wraith too (which is just a bit dramatic and crybaby-ish in my opinion) but now with SBMM and spirit being prepared on what I believe to be her deathbed from S tier, all I see now is complaints of nurse. Like come onnnnnnnnnn people, enough is enough! You always have a killer to complain about being "too OP". I play nurse plenty and still have 3-4 survivors every other match escape! She isn't broken or OP she just makes survivors have to use their brains and make a read! Stop calling for every killer 1 by 1 to be nerfed!
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" I play nurse plenty and still have 3-4 survivors every other match escape!"
Only because YOU are bad with Nurse does not mean that she is fine. She is the most broken Character in the game and should not exist with her current Kit. And she would not be released nowadays like that, Nurse is from a time where many very busted things were in the game, however, Nurse is allowed to stay.
Probably only because of the backlash.
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I hope so.
Maybe then Survivors will see some basekit nerfs if Nurse is no longer a menace to society.
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You know damn ######### well they aren't touching Survivors. I'm betting Blight will be butchered next.
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I said every other game, also dont try to invalidate my point with evidence you dont even have, you have 0 idea how good i am or bad I am at nurse so stop projecting false points onto me. with her base speed her entire kit relies on her teleportation and once she teleports she cant magically change that, survivors have fair mindgame counterplay to this, it just requires them to actually be good at mindgames like all killers have to in order to get hits at loops.
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If she gets a nerf we will all know it's over survivor complaints cause data bhvr is using shows otherwise
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Either her or blight. We need to see whos gonna people cry about more after this patch
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From their recent livestream, I don't think she will get any changes even if I do think she is one of the most broken killers.
Probably Blight or decent mid tier killer, like Deathslinger.
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I can hope.
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Possibly, since I've seen some apprehension about triple blink, so that add-on buff might get revoked.
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Spirit's not on her deathbed, calm down.
That being said, I'd be pretty happy if they decided to rework the Nurse. She doesn't need nerfing, her power is pretty fair and consistent right now, but the problem is that she's kind of a bottleneck for how strong any perks or basekit decisions are allowed to be, because she'll make everything seem three times as strong due to how powerful she is. I don't want to see her be less picked, I don't want to see her require less skill, but something to remedy that issue would be a pretty healthy decision for the game imo
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Wait, people complain about Nurse now...? Oh come on, why? There's literally nothing wrong with her.
I just have one thing to say to people who complain about Nurse... git gud T^T
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U can't buff perks because Nurse exist. What is Ok on Pig, Legion, Trapper etc is broken Op on Nurse.
She needs to be reworked.
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People in your comments are saying she's OP and justifying the butchering of Spirit. F for Nurse
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Why are people complaining about the spirit nerf now? She was ridiculous and insanely unfun to play as and against most of the time.
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I'm pretty sure they specifically said something about how even though she has the lowest kill rate they don't want to buff her. If you judge only from those stats, she's obviously the worst killer in the entire game. But we know that isn't true, she's just hard, and people who are bad at her drag the average down.
Well, there's definitely at least one thing wrong with her, and that's the random bugs. The other day I played Nurse and got a bug where I tried to blink and it just made the blink sound like every half-second and I couldn't blink at all for a while, really very annoying.
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Okay, let's follow this logic. If STBFL is good on Trapper, Pig and Legion, which it is, wouldn't it be beyond game-breaking on Nurse?
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Oh yea, I'll give you that. Her blink bug is a huge problem xd
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eh when old nurse existed with 5 blinks it was justified then
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Yea. Old Nurse was really broken.
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Nurse is a platform for killer to be the power role. For now, I think we should be raising other killers to her level, instead of ruining one of the last strong killers in the game, even though I don't like the nature of her power.
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Here’s hoping. Nurse is the biggest balance issue the game has in terms of killers
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There's still so much to be done to make survivors consistent enough that you can accurately begin to gage how to balance things properly.
Gen times have to be brought much more into line by nerfing toolboxes for one, like Otz explained in his recent video about items.
Medkits are still insanely strong.
And most of all, the gap between solo and SWF is still the single biggest issue. You have to make at least Kindred base kit for survivors, and add tons of little QoL features that inform your team of what each player is doing at any given moment, and any number of other changes to at least begin to make the survivor side of the equation more consistent.
Then, after a month or two of people adjusting to that, you'd be able to take a hard look at how to bring each killer closer to a consistent baseline.
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Nurse have been nerfed already.
No more 3 blinks basekit
Charges need to recharge instead of having them instantly with the old nurse.
And i believe there are several bugs still exist since her rework, i only have that from hearsay as i don't play her that often.
Survivor mains and low level survivors (mostly) want to have killers that are easy to counter.
They can't think of other tactics or even 1 step ahead and thus fall easy against those killers.
It's just sad bhvr is more concerned about the money from survivors (that's why they have a huge cosmetic range) than actually look at the big picture.
People cry about a certain killer?
Don't worry bhvr will take care of that 🤦🏻♂️
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Nurse is still broken, especially on Open Field Maps. I play her a lot and I get 3-4 kills almost every match. I’m pretty sure the ones that play her well are aware how broken she is. That’s why we see her so much.
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I mean, they nerfed Deathslinger and Pig. Nobody is safe, really.
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I play nurse plenty and still have 3-4 survivors every other match escape!
A statement like that isn't helping your "She isn't broken or OP" assertion.
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No we should not be raising the roster to a character that essentially ignores the entire game.
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I'm pretty sure blight is next. Maybe pinhead with the franklin hoarder thing.
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Well, if Nurse gets nerfed (again btw), I really hope survivors get a huge basekit nerf, because from what I've seen she's the only killer that reliably wins on SBMM.
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It depends on what they do next and what is their goal. (I still don't understand devs main goal. Is Dbd going to be competitive or it's just a black hole sucking casual players money). I agree to nerf some killer addons or power if they nerf survivors in exchange. It's so dumb that killers get weaker and weaker while items/coms/perks like DH still exist.
More experienced I get, more i think game currently is balanced around 1x1 rather than 4v1 or 2k/2escape which also is stupid.
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I mean tbf Nurse complaints are valid. At least Spirit plays the game, Nurse doesn’t.
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When the game is littered with incredibly safe loops and god pallets. I'm glad she doesn't.
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The changes to Spirit are long overdue, the issue with wasn't just that she was extraordinarily powerful, but also that she just wasn't fun to play against. Her ability just caused frustration in almost all survivor players, myself included. And from a killer perspective was very, very strong, despite not having a skill floor near the level of Nurse.
A good Nurse you can put respect on for being good as she is very hard to play, however Spirit had no such drawback. Of course there is nuance to her ability which takes time to learn, but that comes with EVERY killer. She however doesn't require much mechanical skill, only game sense.
That's why I think Spirit changes are more than deserved, as now she'll be more fun to play as, and more difficult to master, whilst still being a very strong killer. There's having strong killers like Plague, Oni and Pyramid Head, who have counterplay and are enjoyable to face. then there's Nurse and Spirit.
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You might not of been here for it, but they already gutted Nurse, and left a group of bugs that made it difficult for even the best Nurse players to play Nurse.
Nah, the best Killers already got their Nerfs. Time for another unnecessary nerf to Pig.
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Nurse is fine. she's hard to learn and nerfing her would make a lot of players quit playing her.
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How about nerf her down to the more average killers and nerf survivor accordingly. That makes a lot more sense
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If our complaints actually did anything, DS, DH, UB, BT, Undying and NOED would have been nerfed about a few years ago. But they still aren't. So no, spirit's nerf has nothing to do with anyone's complaints, and it's not even an actual nerf, since her dust particles haven't been implemented after all.
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Obviously her base speed would be buffed. But there should not be a Killer with less Speed than a Survivor with an imbalanced power to compensate for it.
And the Devs know how strong she is. But not many players play her, because you dont need to play Nurse anymore to get constant wins. Even if she is not THAT hard to learn (still the hardest Killer to learn, by far), you can just bring up a fraction of that time and play Spirit and do fine. (Even after the Nerf)
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Blight if anyone, but there would be major backlash from the community if he was up for nerfs. Bhvr better not even think of touching blight's base kit
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Imagine saying "She is the most broken character in the game". Nurse takes alot of skill to play. People who can do extremely well with nurse have put alot of effort into mastering her. But hey let's nerf another killer because survivors "can't have fun" only at the expense of the killer.
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A few people in this thread aren't calling her broken because she's unfair or unbalanced in matches she's actively playing, but because of the knock-on effect she has on balancing other aspects of the game. It wouldn't be right or balanced to make a change that Nurse can use to gain a gigantic advantage, but that means a lot of things which would just be decent and reasonable on other killers can't really realise their full potential for fear of creating a monster in Nurse.
Does that make sense?
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Nurse just has her own rules completely. Outside of a full rework (which would be sad, as she is unique and interesting compared to the rest of the roster) then the only solution I can think of is that she is excluded from using certain perks, or they function differently when used by her. This would allow for them to be buffed for other killers without completely breaking them on her.
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