Reported for Camping: Are Survivors Really This Entitled?

you know how when you drop a 100% bp offering as killer, but you aren't able to use it because the survivors use scummy tactics to escape quickly & you aren't able to get many points at all?

it's kinda the same for a survivor when they get camped with a bp offering 😔😔

BombDiggaT said:

@Crabdawg said:
I was agreeing with you.

Oh I see now. I didn't know exactly what you were saying.

mintchapstick said:

@BombDiggaT said:
No, I don't know that feeling, because I don't give a ######### about amassing points. I care about killing survivors. Even so, if you take away the offering aspect your argument becomes nonexistent.

So, you care about killing survivors because playing the game & completing objectives is fun to you, right?

Now think about what it'd be like if a survivor trapped you in Lery's corner or in a bugged pallet and everyone else kept playing the game & you weren't able to. You'd say that survivor was ruining your fun, because it keeps you from being able to participate.

Before you complain that trapping the killer is using an exploit: that's not what I'm saying. I'm giving you a walk-through on the concept of empathy.

@Cetren said:
I think the overarching issue is that survivors have rules concerning their enjoyment every game that don't necessarily fully encompass or account for the people on the other team that also want varying measures of success and satisfaction which cannot be achieved under the pre-established notion that certain stages are ruled out as unfair, despite them being the only objectively reasonable way to win a game.

Yeah, that makes sense & I get that, because that's exactly what the other side is saying. Like, you can 100% flip that back on the OP:

• Killers have rules concerning their enjoyment that doesn't fully encompass or account for the people on the other team that also want varying measures of success and satisfaction that cannot be achieved, etc, etc, etc.

In other words:

@mintchapstick said:

@BombDiggaT said:
No, I don't know that feeling, because I don't give a ######### about amassing points. I care about killing survivors. Even so, if you take away the offering aspect your argument becomes nonexistent.

So, you care about killing survivors because playing the game & completing objectives is fun to you, right?

Now think about what it'd be like if a survivor trapped you in Lery's corner or in a bugged pallet and everyone else kept playing the game & you weren't able to. You'd say that survivor was ruining your fun, because it keeps you from being able to participate.

Before you complain that trapping the killer is using an exploit: that's not what I'm saying. I'm giving you a walk-through on the concept of empathy.

still that example has no ground under it cause it is an exploit. He wasn't talking about exploits....

@mintchapstick said:

@Cetren said:
Name some that you hear in the aftergame chat frequently? Like, not in a way that they should or should not do this. Because most of the time when I hear killers complain it's not some made up rule but instead the state of the game or things within the game that could mechanically be changed, not some code of honor survivors are supposed to adhere to.

Multiple people freak the hell out on me for doing simple things like dissembling their totems. It isn't, 'the game has bad totem placement' it's 'you ######### you took down my totems, I hope your family gets murdered.' Like, yeah, sorry? I searched for them & I took them down because that's part of the game.

People complain habitually about people using perks that they don't like, and say that they're personally scummy pieces of garbage for using perks. Or juking. Or being good at playing stealthy. etc etc etc. I very rarely see people in-game complain about the game mechanics and usually it's a direct attack & a suggestion that players are bad people for using tools given to them.

Hence why I say, both sides do it.

@Zanfer said:
still that example has no ground under it cause it is an exploit. He wasn't talking about exploits....

Y'all need a lesson in empathy, apparently.

Use words. Ok so I "missed" your point. You were talking about people trapping the killer in a corner. Yeah it is a scummy thing and makes the killer not have fun like you said. There is a difference between exploiting the killers fun, while survivors complain on how a killer plays without exploits.

@mintchapstick said:

@Zanfer said:
Use words. Ok so I "missed" your point. You were talking about people trapping the killer in a corner. Yeah it is a scummy thing and makes the killer not have fun like you said. There is a difference between exploiting the killers fun, while survivors complain on how a killer plays without exploits.

Ignore everything else about the situation. I'm not talking about game mechanics, I'm talking about the human people that are playing the game.

You were talking about people trapping the killer in a corner. Yeah it is a scummy thing and makes the killer not have fun like you said

Every time you sit in front of someone on the hook, you're degrading the experience for an actual, human person.
Every time a purple flashlight SWF group blinds the killer over and over again, they're degrading the experience for a human person.
Every time someone catches the killer in an exploit, they're degrading the experience for a human person. Every time a killer follows someone around for the entire match and ignores players running between them, they're degrading the experience for a human person.

That's my point. My point is that having an attitude of, "[BAD WORD] your fun, I do what I want to get mine" is ######### and unsportsmanlike.

My point was further that both sides do it, and it's ######### for both sides to have that attitude, and that literally everyone playing this game with that attitude needs to stop, take a breath, and remember that you aren't playing with AI and that you should work on your empathy skills & the way that you treat other people, especially if you want to have a community.

Or you (general you) can just be a dick and make choices that make people miserable and then wonder why people are miserable at you, and you can just continue to spiral into Miserable Dicktown until you find a new game to ruin for yourself & everyone who comes across you.

I already agree with you cause I myself play both roles well enough to know you need both sides to have a game. Your points are odd cause they are game mechanics, but if you don't use the game mechanics than why are they even in the game. Exploits are different, but I know you are talking about empathy towards human beings. This is a video game where you are expected to lose sometimes.

@mintchapstick said:

@Zanfer said:
I already agree with you cause I myself play both roles well enough to know you need both sides to have a game. Your points are odd cause they are game mechanics, but if you don't use the game mechanics than why are they even in the game. Exploits are different, but I know you are talking about empathy towards human beings. This is a video game where you are expected to lose sometimes.

Yeah, it's literally just the empathy angle that I want to get across. I used the exploit as an example because it's the most direct way to explain to someone why someone would be upset with them making it so that they literally can't play the game. Does that make sense?

Indeed