Cancel Noed for last survivor, especially if Hatch gets closed
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Wow, so just because you consider "bud" as a derogatory term, so apparently it is? As if all your little personal rules apply to everyone in the world and they have to abide by them or else they are "disqualified" by you? Who are you to anyone? I could care less about your little "disqualification". esp for words i use generally, even for friends. People feel so entitled nowadays and no absolute reason. If you have some childhood trauma of the word being used towards you (i.e. bullied and being called that) then i will resend it but if youre just saying you dislike it and is demeaning just because you feel like it is, then i retain it. Or youre just using that lone comment as a way to exit the conversation, then that's your purgative, no judgment here.
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I bet I feel you put this as a poll, majority of the community would say NOED is fine, even if you put your video up as bias towards you. Oh no I have to make a choice in this game instead of just pushing W Andy m1
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Okay i dont even know where you were trying to go with that comment towards the end... wow
and no, it is not a poll, its a general post. my goal was not to see who would prefer nerfed/removed Noed but to have a debate, and that is exactly what i am doing, If you actually pay attention. Regardless if most folks are against my point, that's the whole point of a debate, rebuttal and rebuttal. That is all it is, if you think it is anything more than that, then find a different post to comment on.
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I don’t see anything unfair about the situation. Hatch is already an automatic second chance and the killer beat you to it. Then the gates were powered but the killer got to you. Sounds fair enough to me. Bare in mind they gave up a perk slot for NOED and it did exactly what it was supposed to. Honestly if the killer had 4 perks throughout the match you may not have made it as far as you did.
Also bones aren’t that hard to do between 4 survivors especially with totem tracking perks/map. Plus you have DH equipped which is a far more potent second chance perk. You even stated that if you knew about NOED you’d have stayed injured and used DH to get away if need be. Why is that fair but NOED finally doing one thing the entire match unfair? Especially when hatch was there for you with no perk slots required and then the exit gates were powered.
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Well your annoyed by it enough to want it removed and say repeatedly you find it frustrating. If the worse thing about it is that you have to assume the killer might have it every game the same could be said for anything.
Do I bring an item what if they have franklins? I don't want to have to go back for my item nerf franklins, make it so if someone gets hit in the exit gate they don't drop it I carried it all game only to lose it at the gate its not fair...
I brought a flashlight but they have lightborn and I didn't get any blinds and got hit nerf lightborn.
If there is ruin then its probably a good idea to assume tinkerer and undying, but hey rather than having to worry about that let sjust nerf them all so they don't synergise at all and then I don't have to think about them.
see its all so rediculous.
Taking the time to think about what the other players might have is part of the game. You made a wrong decision in the example game you showed and it cost you due to NOED. If you are "annoyed" (insert whichever adjective you like, frustrated, irked, incensed) enough by NOED that you want it removed then maybe prep for NOED, run detectives hunch. No one said your world is falling apart but you are on the forums asking for a nerf because something personally frustrates you.
I hate getting flashlight blinded so I work lightborn into most of my builds, even if I see no flashlights in the lobby folks get em in chests and I like to avoid having to play around it. We don't need to nerf flashlights because they annoy me, I run the tools to avoid them. Same can be said for NOED or any particular thing that you want to avoid.
Lastly I didn't up-vote myself but you say what you feel you need to, however belittling others often undermines your point and is best avoided.
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"It's not hard for 4 survivors"
I am not 4 survivors though, I am only one survivor.
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Nowhere in my post did i state that the ability is "unfair". I've stated my situation and reason for disliking it, preferring something done to it.
And point and case, the game is killer-favored, i recall somewhere on the DBD homepage that devs intentionally made killers OP with their existence alone. After that, straight up skill and experience enters the fray. Just because they have certain perks, as survivor or killer doesnt automatically mean they will give one or the other a run for their money, it's up to the players skill, whether they have the ability to apply such skills and effectively, as opposed to a one-hitter where they have to get in range and just hit you, zero skill, just to make up for lack of skill.
My true main point is that Noed is zero skill involved, you dont have to apply any techniques to utilize it is a handi-cap ability. And i literally just mentioned that i play killer with zero perks, using myself as an example that perks, let alone Noed is hardly necessary to "win".
And right, the killer "beat me to the hatch" as i slowly crawled away on the other side of the map. Right right.. And as if i knew the location of it. right...
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And u have 3 random teammates. It's better to discuss how your team messed it up than force another killer nerf. If we keep nerf everything on killer side because survivor want to make it easier 1v1, killers will run away from u. Is it so hard to keep in mind survivors have multiple second chance perks/items/ hatch and u are not supposed to escape every game?
Noed isn't even close op if i start comparing it with survivors meta perks.
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Your complaining about perks with no skill involvement but Adrenaline in the situation where it actives on hatch close requires 0 skill on your part. You could have done absolutely nothing and it will activate in that situation.
Or how about iron will another perk you were running. Silences the survivor just by being hit the killer. Another no skill perk.
And neither of those perks you need to win either if you were just better at the game. Stop letting yourself get carried by no skill perks.
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I'll take that change as soon as 4%ing is disabled when there's 2 survivors left.
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Right, considering no comment has a vote passed the first page besides your own, "didnt upvote myself." sure sure...
And again, i am literally only talking about Noed, not any other abilities, so you mentioning other counter-able abilities is irrelevant in this post. And i literally said frustrated One Time, chill out. Besides my one-time mentioning the frustration, there is nothing more but just a debate going on here, and clearly youre taking it more than that for whatever strange reason.
And yes, it personally frustrates me, you make it sound like i am the ONLY person on this entire planet that plays this game and doesnt like Noed. So thank you for reiterating the purpose of my post, i do not like Noed for XYZ and would like it nerfed/re-worked/re-moved. Whether they do it or not, it's not going to stop me from talking about it and having debates.
I will say that Way before your comment from going back and forth with someone else, i already realized a miniscule solution for my argument, Actively look for totems and TRY to run the entire map and find them if playing solo.
Even if i apply all these little suggestions, i'm still going to debate the reasons why i would want something done to it. That probably will neer change.
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Right, considering no comment has a vote passed the first page besides your own, "didnt upvote myself." sure sure...
You literally can't upvote your own comments. Try it and see.
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Wow, what a sound argument. Now you're dissing me by saying that i am bad at the game. What a great rebuttal that holds absolutely no weight in this debate. Try again.
And the do require skill, because iron will doesn't mean you magically disappear from the killers view or chase after they hit you, unless pulling some ridiculous spin moves, sure.. there is a skill involved to run, evade, lose their sight and hide and them not finding you because of the ability. Iron will doesn't make the killer Blind. wow. And Adrenaline has skilled involved, as you saw, i was able to move away from the area i was downed at and got the ability to move and evade further, as opposed to laying there and bleeding out. it was used effectively to provide me a second chance, which didn't matter, because again, Noed. even if i wasn't downed and put to healthy state, still wouldn't matter. smh.
You cant even say that for Noed, "i used it effectively by ensuring an easy down and killl by hitting them once regardless of their health status end-game because i didnt catch all them mid-game and want to make up for that".
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So perks where you literally do nothing and get you benefits on survivor side are "skill based" but on the killer it's"skilless".
You pretty much just outed yourself as an entitled survivor main.
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What point is there discussing how the 3 random teammates messed up if you cant even discuss with them and intend to play with those same people again and again..? What, do i discuss it with myself? right.... and it wont even matter in future matches with other random teammates, especially when the situations are different every other time.
And this isn't about survivor perks, comparing them to killer's and which are op, its about, again, Noed and why it should be revised.
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Because once u start a game u need to keep in mind teamwork helps survive. If u just want to mess around then yeah, there's no point in discussing.
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Right.. and where did i say i was a survivor main..? i literally said i play killer half the amount of time but i guess you didn't read or forgot because you're too busy looking at the only points you could try to find one little thing to say about it. smh.
And using entitled all of a sudden just because i used it.. wow.
That comment tells me you didn't think of the game and the plethora of situations that can occur to over-simplify your argument wow..
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I never said you said you were a survivor main but it's very clear that is how you view the game. Even most survivor mains wouldn't even dare defend iron will as a skillful perk, because it's easily one of the most skillless perks in the entire game.
As for entitlement, this entire topic is demanding a perk gets nerfed because you lost to it. Despite having skillless perks of your own that even got you really close to escaping, it's still only the killer perk that is the problem.
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Okay where are you getting "if you want to mess around"? when this entire time the discussion has been about serious gameplay. And why do you keep bringing up "discussing" if there is literally no one to discuss the game with if you're playing solo? Sure, you can recall the things that happened and brought misfortune on your end, whether from the other random teammate's ends or whatever, but that evaluation means nothing being carried over into the next game with other rando's who again, you cannot communicate in-game.
Even if we managed to communicate mid-game (with a rando specifically) that doesn't ensure that they will do it, cant force someone to be a team player (i.e. all 3 escaping when you've barely been hooked, especially for the first time end-game). Again, that is more likely accomplished if playing with friends, which is not what I've been referencing at all in this entire post...
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The examples I gave are relevent because your point is NOED annoys you and should be removed but that is a poor reason to nerf/remove something. Just because something annoys you and maybe others doesn't make it grounds for its removal. NOED is pretty balanced and there are measures in place to counter it. If you are gonna try them great go for it and hopefully NOED won't annoy you anymore. I do the same thing for flashlights with lightborn as I said.
A debate implies you are open to the views of others, youve been quite condescending of others views in a lot of your replies. If that's not your inetent then perhaps look at how you word your responses to make them come across less argumentative, otherwise its poor debate.
Cited example your adherence to this self up-voting narrative that you've used to belittle my post, but hey you believe what you like I'm not here to change your head cannon. I made the point that calling for nerfs because something annoys you is silly and I stand by that.
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Only if he gets a beach party cosmetic, otherwise no.
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Or!
Or...
You could admit that 'if you get killed by NOED it's your fault' is a really short-sighted thing to say, and the perk is horrendously terribly designed.
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Since we are doing this, why not go all the way, then? Let's get rid of all the perks from killers. They make the lives of survivors too hard in this game.
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You literally Just Said "You pretty much just outed yourself as an entitled survivor main." like what? are you not reading your own posts either. smh.
Okay and give me a list of aaaall these survivor mains who "wouldn't even dare defend iron will as a skillful perk". they can chat me up at anytime, we can have a full discussion.
And you saying entitlement for "demanding a perk gets nerfed because you lost to it", that is yet again waay besides my point. I'm referring to the situation itself specifically, and as you can see, i had not even been hooked all game and that was my first time being hit, i didnt even get to skillfully utilize my iron will since he didnt come back for me for some reason and it was my first time being injured. So you and whoever saying that i'm "bad at the game" or "lost" need to try to find a stronger basis for an argument, that is also more productive than a simple "you suck". How childish...
Yes, again, like a stated before, i have a problem with the Noed perk because of the concept of knowing that if i myself don't stumble upon dull totems or find opportunities to cleanse while evading, and regardless of whatever effort i put in the game solo, stalling the killer, rushing gens, etc that it means absolutely nothing in the end because i can get one-hit in healthy state, and unless i so happened to be inured, dead hard would save me IF i so happened to have it equipped.
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Yet you assume my intent instead of asking, sure okay. Incorrect again, my point is that besides it "annoying me" as you like to say, is that the perk does not involve any real skill and/or application but knowing "once i get to end game i can just one-hit people and they wont know it until i hit them, while they're thinking they will get a hit-boost and run away". And this "only measure" to "counter" is to just spend every single game looking for dull totems and hoping you spot them or that your random teammates cleanse them on the other sides of the map and poof, problem solved.
And also inferring that i've been condescending, yet you only refer to your own comment and about my stating that you up-voted it yourself. smh. To me it looks like you're wanting to feel entitled and not having any other substance for an argument.
And again using other abilities that do not compare to the one i am referencing. My point is a one-hit, end the game for you deal. Not, "oh ive been blinded, i've lost the game". That does not even compare. again, not relevant.
I am not up here simply just saying, "oh i dont like Noed, it's such a lame perk, i hate the concept, its no annoying, i want it removed because i just simply do not like it." when i've literally been saying this entire time, based on unfortunate situations where it does not applicable skills to the game.
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I made a minor typo because I'm on my phone. Oh well. I'll fix it for you since context is so hard. "You never said you were a survivor main, but that is how you come across."
There's no skilful component to activating iron will. You just make no sound while injured for doing nothing. The argument you are using to say iron will is skilful can be used on NOED. A killer still has to win the chase against a survivor and use their basic attack which requires skilful play.
Stop being blinded by your very obvious survivor bias.
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I need context for your self-explanatory comment of, as you so nicely quoted, that i come across as one and then you stating that i ousted myself as a main. i need context to understand those straight forward comments? i dont even want to know the thought process... and how is "You pretty much just outed yourself as an entitled survivor main." a minor type? thats a HUGE type.
And yes, i will stand by to say that iron will involves skill, change my mind if you can, but so far nothing you have said has made me think to the left or right of it.
Wow, then you assume i have a very obvious bias? And then to say i'm "blinded" by it? Okay, sure, if you want to make a bold and baseless statement, esp when i've literally said i play killer half the time. And also when i am literally talking about Literally a single perk, not 7,10, 11 of them. smh
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And that is?
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Why not go all the way, then? Let's remove all the perks from Killers. As they seem to be too much of a hassle for you. This way you can do all your gens in peace and get away from the trial. Problem solved.
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That statement holds no weight in this debate. It is an extreme statement and is pointless. You didn't even try to make an effort and bring up points relevant to the discussion that would be productive and go against my argument. By just saying a non-sensical and unnecessary comment.
Again, i am mentioning literally the one perk which has nothing to do with doing gens in peace mid-game, so i dont even know why that was stated. Good bye.
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The whole "no skill" argument is nothing but hyperbole you still have to chase and down people you are just minus one injury state so chases are slightly easier for the killer in the endgame.
It only "ends the game for you" if you are on death hook anyway or in some select specific scenarios like your example its hardly game breaking.
There are means to counter it and if it annoys you then try those, calling for its nerf because it annoys you is not a argument. Your last paragraph makes no sense.
Re-read you replies its not my job to police your manners I'm not your mum. As this also seems to be turning into a fruitless tit for tat I'm gonna walk here. Say what you like.
My point is and always has been that NOED doesn't need a nerf or removal because its pretty well balanced and if you take the time to counter it its really not a big deal. If your only reason for the nerf is it annoys you becuase you think it takes no skill then that isn't a good enough reason.
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Dude. People have pointed out your flaw in your argument multiple times in this thread. Just admit that you and your teammates eff'd up and the fault is on you. NOED is fine. I admit it is irritating when it activates, but the perk itself is fine.
Don't want to die on NOED? Then go find it and cleanse it. Or cleanse all the totems before last gen activates. End of discussion.
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My last paragraph doesnt make sense. its a simple read. oh dear, is it because i forgot the word "have" right before applicable in the last sentence? i guess unintentionally forgetting a word in a sentence makes it impossible to read.
And i dont know what youre going on about with manners. And the fact that you continuously keep saying that i am "annoyed" by the perk when i mentioned frustration once and then went on to talk about the situations where it is seen as a reason to be nerfed. smh.
If anything all that youre saying up to this point is fruitless because my main point stands at that Noed ruins the game based off of its concept, regardless of all these million ways that there are to counter as you all have shared.
Great talk. Moving on.
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Dude, you are a thousand years late to the convo and just repeating what others have already said. You can read my replies so you can stop wasting your time with a whole conversation that has already happened before your arrival and absurd comment.
Plus, you werent even there for the entire game or know what happened so you cant even comment on what went on before from the clip i shared.
Youre literally adding zero substance to this page, especially saying that it was my "fault" and that my random teammates effed up. gosh, you shouldve been here 4 hours ago. Good bye once again. Youre not adding a single thing to thread at all. SMH
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If you add in "have" it still doesn't make a point. The fact you find it annoying is a core point of your argument as you stated you find it frustrating. The skill addition to that is a weak comment to add rational to why you find it frustrating but the core reason you want it removed is your own frustration.
I know I'm not your mum but here is an example of argumentative condescension.
Ending with "great talk. Moving on" is another example.
I know I said I wouldn't but with two great examples in the last two miniutes I just wanted to drive my point home. Stop shooting yourself in the foot.
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I think that lot of player forget that the game isn't over until everyone is dead or has escaped, so there is no need for some perk to deactivate in those scenario.
If we twist this sentence, we could also say that adrenaline shouldn't activate in your scenario because you are downed and the last survivor alive, but it still does, because the match isn't over yet and its condition are fullfiled for its activation.
I understand that it can be annoying from your point of view, but let's take an hypothetical scenario in which you arrived at the gate a few second earlier, few second that allowed you to escape. The killer could also complain that a second chance perk, here being adrenaline, took away his kill.
Or even better, let's say you are one of the rare survivor that run the god tier perk named wake up, if we follow your argument from this post it is considered a "skillless" perk, but would have allowed you to escape with no input on your part, should we nerf it?
Also fun fact, resilience speed up every action by 9%, including opening the exit gate. For a full gate, that bring the opening time from 20 second to 18.2 second, so in your case, it would have been close but there is chance that it would have given you enough time time to escape.
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Wow, you just cant help yourself can you? I feel youre not even gaining anything from this point. And defining something just because you think that's what it is to you? Come on.. Move on already, youre not adding anything more to this conversation saying that i'm shooting myself in the foot is some way of making yourself sound superior, if that's what you need for yourself, by all means, do and say what you must.
Again, youre no longer providing points for a productive conversation so why dont you stop "shooting yourself in the foot".
Again, moving on.
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U should use your advice and stop this joke. Multiple people explained u Noed is completely fine, while u still act like everyone is dumb and only your opinion matters. Move on.
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I take your point of view and you explained it 1000x's better as opposed to just arguing for the sake of arguing, mentioning things unrelated to the specific argument or stating absurd or unnecessary comments.
Thanks, that provides a better/applicable perspective for me.
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Multiple people can still be wrong.
As evidenced by how many people still think that doing bones counters NOED.
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How... Does it not? I am very interested to hear this one.
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Firstly your team didn’t complete all gens, there was 1 left. Secondly, are you ok with your Adrenaline popping whilst you were slugged? Both you and the killer were using 3 perks until the hatch was closed. If you don’t want noed to proc on a hatch close then the same should be applied to adrenaline. You both got something out of it.
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Wow, the fact that you assume i think people are "dumb" just because they have a difference in opinion and have not stated anything to fully change my view on Noed?
That's rude of you to presume that, and basically calling these people dumb yourself.
Nowhere in my comments have i stated that anyone is "dumb" just because of their argument and the fact that you made such a ridiculous comment says that youre not trying to have an intellectual conversation at this point. and especially about the part of saying only my opinion matters. smh. If that were the case, i would straight up say, "Nope, youre wrong. Dont care what you say. Nope, no listening even though this is an open forum. Noed should just get removed because i said and everything you said means nothing." When i'm arguing points against other's points as opposed to just, nope, you're wrong. Bye.
So my perspective is supposed to change and full on agree with "the majority" just because they think this or that is fine? Right... You're no longer adding anything to this discussion that creates a productive conversation. smh
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Wow, immature. What are you even doing on this post still if not adding anything productive?
Are you bored or something?
And if you actually paid attention, I agreed with one person because they articulated themselves way better and made great points, which i liked the way they stated their argument.
So again, what are you still doing here rather than instigating and being immature? How old are you? (dont answer and dont reply either)
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Consider the following scenarios!
You do 5/5 totems and the killer has NOED. This removes the speed boost and expose, but you did waste around 2 minutes hunting and cleansing totems.
You do 5/5 totems and the killer does not have NOED. You wasted 2 minutes hunting and cleansing totems, making NOED a free slowdown perk, so you helped NOED in this case.
You do 4/5 totems and the killer has NOED. You get zero reward for your work and NOED fires at full force anyway. All the totems you could find are gone, so NOED is now guaranteed to be in the one totem you couldn't find, which could easily be a godspawn. You wasted around 2 minutes hunting for it AND the killer gets a free down anyway.
You do 0/5 totems and the killer has NOED. You get hit with the full force of NOED. All the totems are still up and any one of them can have hoovered up NOED, including any obvious and exposed totems. You wasted 0 seconds hunting for it and might in fact have an easier time getting rid of it once it fires.
You do 0/5 totems and the killer does not have NOED. Nothing happens.
'Doing bones' creates a lose/lose scenario for the survivors. You either make NOED a strong slowdown perk, or it gets a free down/kill, or it gets both. The first four totems have no negative impact on NOED's functionality.
In all the matches I've played, I've blown up more NOEDs by NOT doing totems and finding it after it fires than by doing totems. The fact that there is zero distinction in NOED's output whether there's four totems gone or zero is what makes doing bones a trash counter, and the very real possibility that you instead push NOED into some out-of-the-way, difficult to find totem adds the risk that you actually make NOED -more- of a problem instead of less.
It's the combination of passive threat and all-or-nothing that makes doing bones awful against NOED. It would, not joking, be a better design if it was baseline rather than optional. Because then at least you know that if you get 5 totems, you break NOED, instead of making it a free fifth perk for the killer.
It'd also be way better design if it just lit up all remaining totems and gave stacking benefits based on the number of totems remaining, so the perk actually loses value with every totem destroyed.
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Can you explain how you would have “yeeted away with Dead Hard” whilst using Resilience, BT, Adrenaline and Iron Will? So many flaws in your arguments, smh.
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For some reason i thought i recalled having Dead hard in the match. user error.
and "so many flaws" ? whilst only stating one specific one? smh. i already commented to you earlier, what else are you trying to include in addition to what has already been discussed with others? smh.
And didnt you say that you "got bored" reading the first 3 comments where i was "spouting"? smh again.
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This is thread is being locked, as it has run it's course and has only devolved into arguing and fighting. This goes for everyone who has been rather over the top in the thread, I just want to clarify that, as there were multiple comments by multiple people. Everyone, please always ensure that all your posts are always respectful and civil towards other people and their opinions.
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