The smurfing is getting ridiculous

I mostly play killer, and every other game at rank 10 I'm matched up against Seal Team 6 with 2 red rank players and 2 rank 18 players, or something like that. The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot. It's not fun at all to face teams well beyond my skill level. Furthermore, I prefer to play the lesser played killers, but I feel like I need to play Nurse or Billy just to be remotely comptetitive against these squads (I would say Spirit as well, but audio and scratch marks are so jacked up right now). Maybe the balance of killers against SWF is a separate issue, but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad as a rank 10 killer. I get that there are instances where high rank players want to play with lower ranked friends, but more often than not, it seems like SWF are just gaming the matchmaking system to grief lower ranked killers.

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  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757
    edited December 2018

    @twistedmonkey said:
    There is a very simple fix which BHVR should have implemented already.

    Matchmaking should go off the highest ranking member of the team as it's a choice to play in an SWF with higher ranks.

    It may also help with high rank queue's.

    I agree, but SWF will go BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOWBIES THATS NOT FAIR THEY JUST WANNA PLAY WIF DERE FRIENDS TOO!

    My answer, ######### em.

  • twistedmonkey
    twistedmonkey Member Posts: 4,307
    They may kick and scream but screw them lol if they chose to play with high ranks it's up to them, right now the killer can be punished with matchmaking for a choice the survivors make which is wrong.
  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,780
    Vortexas said:

    @twistedmonkey said:
    There is a very simple fix which BHVR should have implemented already.

    Matchmaking should go off the highest ranking member of the team as it's a choice to play in an SWF with higher ranks.

    It may also help with high rank queue's.

    I agree, but SWF will go BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOWBIES THATS NOT FAIR THEY JUST WANNA PLAY WIF DERE FRIENDS TOO!

    My answer, [BAD WORD] em.

    To expand on your point, a SWF squad can potentially compensate for a weak link. A killer is always solo. I would argue a killer is punished more by this style of matchmaking. 
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    There is a very simple fix which BHVR should have implemented already.

    Matchmaking should go off the highest ranking member of the team as it's a choice to play in an SWF with higher ranks.

    It may also help with high rank queue's.
    Yup. All you get now is red ranks taking DS and flashlight and being as toxic as possible to loop and bait the killer for 5 gens. Then telling them to kill themselves post game.

    They need to put them with highest ranks. Should help out high rank queues somewhat too.
  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757

    As I said before I agree, and have made posts like this before.

    It tends to get shouted down with SWF Crybabies going

    "Not out fault we have friends bro!"

    And ######### like that.

    If you wanna play with a HIgh Ranked big boy you should face said big boys killers, and the long red rank ques it brings.

  • altruistic
    altruistic Member Posts: 1,141

    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757

    @altruistic said:
    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    SWFer Alert.

    The problem is SWF SCUM use the current system to bully low rank killers, and get easier games, because they are too chicken ######### to play at there own rank.

  • altruistic
    altruistic Member Posts: 1,141

    @Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:
    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    SWFer Alert.

    The problem is SWF SCUM use the current system to bully low rank killers, and get easier games, because they are too chicken ######### to play at there own rank.

    Yikes. I almost have 5k hours in this game. A solid 3k hours of it has been solo survivor. You don't know anything about me. I play against SWF gamers all the time, I really don't care about them.

    You really think rank makes any difference? How precious.

  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757

    @altruistic said:

    @Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:
    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    SWFer Alert.

    The problem is SWF SCUM use the current system to bully low rank killers, and get easier games, because they are too chicken ######### to play at there own rank.

    Yikes. I almost have 5k hours in this game. A solid 3k hours of it has been solo survivor. You don't know anything about me. I play against SWF gamers all the time, I really don't care about them.

    You really think rank makes any difference? How precious.

    Said like a typical SWF Scumbag, that wants to bully.

    If Rank isn't important, then why would this change matter?

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    Agreed. 
    It's getting worse and worse. 

    SWF isn't the problem, it's the sweaty tryhard smurfing bastards abusing it, though.
  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,780

    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    By "stealth rank 2" I mean all the players are probably red rank but it's not reflected by the accounts they're currently on. Some people are more competitive than others and don't like losing in an uncompetitive fashion. Just a difference in personality. Obviously the ultimate solution is to improve skill-wise, but it shouldn't be unfun in the interim.
  • ScottJund
    ScottJund Member Posts: 1,126
    Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:

    @Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:
    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    SWFer Alert.

    The problem is SWF SCUM use the current system to bully low rank killers, and get easier games, because they are too chicken ######### to play at there own rank.

    Yikes. I almost have 5k hours in this game. A solid 3k hours of it has been solo survivor. You don't know anything about me. I play against SWF gamers all the time, I really don't care about them.

    You really think rank makes any difference? How precious.

    Said like a typical SWF Scumbag, that wants to bully.

    If Rank isn't important, then why would this change matter?

    I do love the whiny killer mentality that everybody with friends is a scumbag.
  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757

    @ScottJund said:
    Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:

    @Vortexas said:

    @altruistic said:

    So what's the issue? In one part of your post, you say "The low rank players are clearly on alt accounts most of the time, as they know where every loop is and whatnot." Then you go on to say "but I shouldn't be forced to play against a stealth rank 2 squad."

    So is it the people who know the loops, or the people who play stealthy?

    Rank still doesn't mean anything, because there is no skill based matchmaking. A potato can be Rank 1, and a veteran player can sit at Rank 10. You can have 4000 hours and sit at Rank 10, or have 30 hours and be R1.

    One of the many reasons you shouldn't take this game so serious. Sometimes you lose games, I know it's a tough pill to swallow.

    SWFer Alert.

    The problem is SWF SCUM use the current system to bully low rank killers, and get easier games, because they are too chicken ######### to play at there own rank.

    Yikes.  I almost have 5k hours in this game.  A solid 3k hours of it has been solo survivor.  You don't know anything about me.  I play against SWF gamers all the time, I really don't care about them.
    

    You really think rank makes any difference? How precious.

    Said like a typical SWF Scumbag, that wants to bully.

    If Rank isn't important, then why would this change matter?

    I do love the whiny killer mentality that everybody with friends is a scumbag.

    I love SWFers who say "RANK DOESN'T MATTER!" But when you say then Killer Ranks should be based off the highest ranked survivor in the group they go "REEEE NO FAIR!"

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134
    edited December 2018

    It's holiday break in the US so the kids are off school. Since mid Dec I have seen a HUGE increase in those toxic squads.

    I usually play later in the evening so I was seeing fewer of them...but goddamn...I can't wait for schools to get back in session.

    Put the kids to bed and let the grownups start playing again!

  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,780
    Yup. Today has been awful. Solo survivor was more enjoyable. 
  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    edgarpoop said:
    Yup. Today has been awful. Solo survivor was more enjoyable. 
    I wish i could say the same. A lot of survivors I get paired with are suicidal. They all freak out and become allergic to gens when one gets hurt.
  • XxAtomicAlfiexX
    XxAtomicAlfiexX Member Posts: 395

    i can relate. im a rank 14 killer (i was rank 9 before reset) and i have the same problem. i play on ps4 which is quite toxic by default. i have been blocked from ranking up because im always playing against ######### who should be playing at they're own ranks but decide to play against players who arent skilled enough to play against them. i use to prefer playing killer but i cant be bothered any more because the survivors are toxic swf who enjoy bullying killers who cant do very much about it. i can sometimes use swf to my advantage but it only really works if the basement is in killers shack.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    edited December 2018
    Had a rank 20 and a rank 3. The rank 20 however had all the meta perks at level 3.

    4 man swf that all switched to green toolboxes at the last second.

    Yeah seems its not just killers that derank. People like this are only out to bully, and the devs dont do ######### to stop it because the fact is they couldn't care less. People like noob3 and ochido have popularised this game as a bully sim, and that's what sells it right now. Getting to be toxic.

    It's hilarious though when you act toxic back and they scream and cry and throw tantrums. Hypocrites.
  • DocOctober
    DocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    @twistedmonkey said:
    There is a very simple fix which BHVR should have implemented already.

    Matchmaking should go off the highest ranking member of the team as it's a choice to play in an SWF with higher ranks.

    It may also help with high rank queue's.

    That's how matchmaking used to work. I don't remember why it was changed to use the average rank.

  • DemonDaddy
    DemonDaddy Member Posts: 4,168
    Swf is fine and well, if they are playing at the same level. This whole thing where survivors join low rank teams gets ridiculous. Rank is not the issue, its that players are exploiting the system to face inferior opponents. Outside of depipping, survivors would be in an uproar if the killer had a legit offered manner to face weaker opposition. I think all killers are really asking for is better matchmaking so that balance can't be tampered with. 
  • OGlilSPOOK20
    OGlilSPOOK20 Member Posts: 716
    Vortexas said:

    @twistedmonkey said:
    There is a very simple fix which BHVR should have implemented already.

    Matchmaking should go off the highest ranking member of the team as it's a choice to play in an SWF with higher ranks.

    It may also help with high rank queue's.

    I agree, but SWF will go BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOWBIES THATS NOT FAIR THEY JUST WANNA PLAY WIF DERE FRIENDS TOO!

    My answer, [BAD WORD] em.

    Yea ######### swf....... I love 2 hour lobby time.