Should boon totems be breakable?

Obviously not, it's a terrible idea on the same level of "just delete them lol".

Maybe, maybe not, not so sure yet though. We'll see how it goes on release.

You could do that a maximum of four times, assuming no other teammate has a boon or wants to cleanse a totem to use Inner Strength, Clairvoyance, or any other reason they'd want to cleanse a totem.

So, instead of it being single use, it's five times use- and let's be realistic, it's two, maybe three times use, because of how totem spawns work. That still ends up being a chore for everyone involved, and doesn't fulfil the core idea of being a spot on the map survivors want to return to, since they'd constantly be pushed somewhere else.

Boon Totems should not be breakable. It undercuts the core idea, and since the core idea is a pretty damn good one, it shouldn't be undercut.

Won't argue that it makes Inner Strength a little outdated and useless- still kind of useful for solo, but yeah, Inner Strength is now outclassed and might need some tweaks.

But yeah, no, Boons shouldn't automatically have the same downsides as Hexes if the design doesn't warrant it- which it doesn't. They're not designed to work the same way, they shouldn't have the same downsides.

They see where the boon is IF there is a boon, so I guess Inner Strength is more consistently usable since you don't have to rely on a teammate bringing that perk? It's not much, but hey, it's something.

I actually agree that Plaything and NOED should snuff a boon if they need to, that's pretty much my only problem with the mechanic as it stands. With that changed, boons as a mechanic will be in a very solid spot.

The thing is that Boons are not Hexes. It makes sense for Hexes to be one use- they're map-wide and they're supposedly very strong effects that directly affect the core gameplay. Boons are limited-range utility buffs, and again, they're supposed to drag survivors to the same spot over and over so that the killer can catch them out of position- or at least, that's supposed to be the way you play around them as a killer. If they're limited use, they do not serve that function, and they're a momentary annoyance to get out of the way, like eating old DS early. They should not be breakable permanently, because that's not the point of them.

Cooldown isn't the worst idea in the world, but it's an overstatement to say it's a huge necessity. If you as the killer notice a survivor continually hanging around to relight a boon, then first of all, they aren't on a generator- and second of all, you know they're there and can be hunted down if you've got the time.

It's not a case of not wanting to search for a new totem. I don't want anything on that side- I play killer lol. It's about what this mechanic is trying to achieve, which is to provide a single spot on the map where survivors are continually returning. If they're going back to that totem again and again, you know where they are and you can harass them.

Sure you can. Bring methods of inflicting Broken, or bring things to inflict Exposed, or bring instadown killers...

Sure, hit and run can't be used against it, but that just means you have to adjust your tactics to react to what's in the game. That's generally how games function. These are going to be strong perks but they're not going to be busted, and even if they are, they need to be tuned down, not ruined and gutted to the point of worthlessness by making them limited-use.

You can easily win a 3 gen situation with boon totems in fact it makes it easier then having to deal with the old 3 gen self-care situation at least now survivors have to go to a designated area not just out of killer sight and heal. If you are in a situation where you have more then 2 survivors 3 gen Then your gameplay was fundamentally flawed and if your just fighting the uphill battle of slugging and letting survivors run away then, You are only delaying the inevitable.

Adding boon totems in as was said by numerous people "relocates survivors to a specific area" If you pay attention and see where they are coming from or going too you now have valuable knowledge of

1. there base of operations and

2. Whether or not that survivor has self-care (or is an aggressive repeat offender).

Then you formulate a simple plan of committing on the survivors who are actually pressuring the gen with self care while the boon healers are away. After that if you can get a successful down then turn your eyes on the boon healers for a quick down since you know what general area they will be in as they heal. This strategy works with up too 3 people on a 3 gen situation (1 for each gen essentially ) , However you never want to be in a 3 gen 3 person+ situation most people don't have the fortitude and brain power to power through it.

TLDR; Would you rather have survivors going to a specific place and healing or healing randomly with self-care everywhere.

They only need 1 Person running boon perks for the solution, and it taking longer you have to think about walk times to get to the area, healing and then coming back, so you aren't saving much time doing it this way. You can easily get stuck in a 2 survivor 3 gen at lower surv/killer ranks idk what you are talking about? Do you not know what 3 gen is?

I'd also like to address this unwarranted toxicity you are throwing around "shamelessly" You are an entitled gamer who thinks everybody should play by a specific set of rules and if they don't they are bad. you are what's wrong with the gaming world today. I've been playing this game since release so I don't need to tunnel anyone out, unless its an absolute unit of a team and they destroy me, so you tunnel to get back some semblance of pressure. It's rare I use this method but sometimes you gotta change strategies to keep up.

For you to harp so hard over a comment about a "GAME" and to have developed a sort of guide that everybody has to follow or they should feel some sort of shame. I'd say You are the one out of touch with reality, and you just can't drop you're prejudice to see it.

This is actually a really good way to explain this topic. Well done +1

Even if it's already been said before, I agree that Boon Totems aren't balanced the exact same way that Hex Totems are. Hex: Totems provide you with extremely powerful, game changing abilities that affect all survivors across the entire map. Their entire balance is based around the "risk vs. reward" model- you get a really great and powerful perk, but in exchange you run the risk of it being eventually destroyed permanently at some point during the trial.

Whereas Boon Totems provide the aforementioned "safe havens" smaller areas of limited space where a survivor is blessed with positive effects, and though they are strong, they aren't as strong as their Hex Totem counterparts comparatively speaking. They're not only restrained by their limited range- but also in that they take time to set up not just in physical action speed, but also in the time it might take to run across the map to get back to a totem that you had previously blessed.

Not to mention that Boon Totems are easier to find than their Hex Totem counterparts. as there's a wide audio that extends to a range of 24 meters. Killers are notified more or less exactly where a boon totem exists, and given that they move faster than survivors do, it really doesn't take all that much to find it quickly and stamp it out in only a second or so. So I don't fully believe all that "UgH ItS AnOtHeR KiLlEr ObJeCtIvE tO wAsTe TiMe" from what I've heard it really doesn't take all that much to be passing by as killer and quickly get rid of it.

Let me put it this way: if Boon Totems are going to be treated the same way as Hex Totems, I expect they get the same positive treatment as well. Meaning perks like Circle of Healing should be mapwide affects, allowing all survivors to heal themselves without a medkit at 100% speed until the associated Boon totem has been cleansed. Boon Totems should also not exude a 24 meter audio cue, and killers should instead be able to find them based solely off the small crackle of fire that survivors must keenly listen for to find Hex: Totems.

So tell me: is that what you guys want? Fair is fair after all. (Seriously, it feels like I'm talking to kids here.)

If you want Boon Totems to get the same treatment as Hex Totems, then by all means give it. But don't think for a second that this does not come with its downsides for the players that seek these changes in the first place.

I also think this is just part of that Infamous Dead By Daylight Community Knee Jerk Reactions outcry that the community has made itself so well known for, update after update, patch after patch, year after year. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what it's like afterward.

It's important to remember that the community has to be mindful of the feedback it gives, especially feedback based on little to no experience which should probably be taken with a grain of salt in most cases.

(Although not all cases, I'm extremely skeptical about the Deathslinger changes and think there's a reasonable enough case to say they should probably be reverted without needing too much more extensive testing for example).

yes

I don't feel breaking them would be good overall. I do feel they need changing, but breaking them won't fix it.

and what do you think the "core" idea is.

As already explained, the core idea is to continually drag survivors away from generators and out of position. That isn't achieved if their perk isn't continually available.

Thanks for proving my point buddy Have a good day and a happy Halloween !

If they are not breakable, at least a boon totem should be treated as a dull totem when a hex would be activated, like hex: plaything

If you could break them as a killer hex:pentimento could actually be viable

The problem is only Circle of healing that's completely busted, Shadowstep and Exponential are not that strong, actually I think they're just a waste of time.