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How big of a problem is the ALLEGED console bricking hack?
I've started to see discussions and posts about how some hackers are now "allegedly" bricking consoles. How prevalent is this problem in reality? Are they bricking consoles constantly or are these minor incidents or isolated cases?
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I don't know, but I am not playing until BHVR responds to those reports.
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I'm following this post and hope people provide solid answers because this has me worried. Not only can I not afford another PS5 right now, I wouldn't be able to find one if I could.
Turning off crossplay gives you about 2 games an hour.
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I don’t know i’ve seen maybe 2 or 3 complaints about people’s consoles getting bricked. So I am a little worried there will be more if BHVR doesn’t address all this hacking going on.
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Doing some research, it's entirely possible for a hacker to brick a device, however it isn't the main consequence of what they do.
Let me elaborate, many hackers in DBD have the ability to crash computers through overloading either the cpu or gpu. This is by spamming actions in game which your device cannot keep up with, take for example changing health state or screaming. There will be so many instances of the action that your cpu or gpu usage will rise to 100% and potentially crash out your device. As has been the case with games such as Anthem, Warzone, DOTA among others.
This in itself does not cause bricking, generally you will either just restart your device, or your application will shut down with an error code and you continue on your way. However, what can happen is while your device is crashed, it may have been accessing the hard drive, and hard resetting the device will cause the accessed sector to corrupt, which in turn may cause bricking.
So while the chance of your device being bricked is low, as it requires your device to crash while the hard drive is being accessed and you hard reset by unplugging, it is not impossible for it to happen. And I believe this is what happened with Anthem, as very similar issues were reported on it, however not from hacking.
This is why devices come with a warning to not turn off the power while saving or without using the power off button.
Also note: I'm not saying the hackers were the cause in these cases, however I am saying it is a possibility.
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There has been ONE post by ONE forum user that claims his PS4 and his friends PS5 were bricked by "hackers" via DBD.
And that ONE poster has provided ZERO evidence, nor further relevant description of it, whatsoever.
That ONE poster literally is where ALL this contrived hysteria began, and has been fanned/snowballed by certain posters since, none of which themselves either can provide proof of this having actually happened EVEN ONCE.
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Yeah. This seems to be the case. One claim with no evidence.
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even if the claim hasn't been substantiated, it doesn't change the fact that there is indeed a possibility of it being the case that a hacker inadvertently caused somebodies console to brick. So while the hacker was infact the cause in this case is up for debate. It should not be up for debate that BHVR should address this issue and work toward a solution. Namely better anti-cheat and a more efficient and reliable report system, along with taking time to streamline code so the game doesn't use as much processing power.
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Do you have any evidence to support your direct accusation that Devs or Mods are deliberately trying to hide from the community other instances of this, of which there has been this ONE that they have not "hidden" in your apparent view and thinking?
The original (and only) poster's thread that started all this, and is the ONLY one that has made the claim his PS4 was bricked by "hackers" via DBD is still up and has not been "hidden" of anything.
The second thread started by another poster telling people to "stop playing DBD if you dont disable Crosswire, or your console will get bricked" is also still up, under that other authors name.
Both of those threads, and this one, have certain posters of note that seem to be very interested in fanning the flames that this is a "real and dangerous possibility" based on ONE poster's unsubstantiated claim, and there being no other mention of bricking via that means either here or on the tech support board.
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"Both of those threads, and this one, have certain posters of note that seem to be very interested in fanning the flames that this is a "real and dangerous possibility""
I wasn't trying to add fuel to the flames. Just tried to get some information about how severe the ALLEGED problem was. And it seems to be just that; alleged. No evidence what so ever.
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I was not referring to you. You have been emminently reasonable and critical.
However one can cross-reference this thread and the other two, and one can see for oneself whom have been the ones spreading panic and speculation on this.
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it's not true at all I already explained in another thread I'm probably one of the only people on these forums besides the mods with actual coding experience and I'm telling you for a fact it is impossible to brick a console across the internet crash it sure but brick it is literally impossible and I mean that with every meaning of the word literally I can even link you guys my code and github if you would like proof which I have of my experience unlike everyone that is falsely claiming these things
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Is this an issue I should worry about? Are there actually hackers destroying consoles roght now?
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no and no
anyone stating otherwise is more then welcome to debate with me because I can back up my facts with links and years of experience
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I wouldn't worry about it without any real evidence.
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There is speculation with no proof. Otherwise, ppl would be freaking
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There has been ONE post by ONE forum user that claims his PS4 and his friends PS5 were bricked by "hackers" via DBD.
And that ONE poster has provided ZERO evidence, nor further relevant description of it, whatsoever.
That ONE poster literally is where ALL this contrived hysteria began, and has been fanned/snowballed by certain posters since, none of which themselves either can provide proof of this having actually happened EVEN ONCE.
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I have experience in the matter too, thank you very much. What you claimed in the other thread was about ddos attacks, which I nor others have disputed afaik. You hit the nail on the head. What I think others are referring to, myself included is crashes to do with the hardware caused by in game events.
Now I will say my explanation from earlier can come across as incorrect as I used very layman's terms to get the point across. I could get more technical with the explanation, should anybody care. It addresses the fact a device can brick if the device is unplugged during a crash/freeze caused by a hacker.
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No, and no.
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Nice, o this whole incident is just to stir up drama and panick?
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Usually is, until evidence is presented.
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"if the device is unplugged during a crash/freeze caused by a hacker."
Then its not caused by the hacker. Its caused by the user disconnecting power from the device whilst its performing critical writing tasks. And the device should not be performing critical writing tasks in the middle of a DBD match.
As to a "hacker" causing such a freeze/crash in the first place, anti-cheat and other restrictions "should" prevent any 3rd party program sending multiple stacked commands via game server to another client, so as to cause an overuse of system resources on that end. The client on the end also should not agree to run those stacked commands (for example, trying to compute/display 10million firecrackers) and simply ignore them as irrational and exceeding parameters, or, thats when a "crash" should occur to decouple from that setting in which its receiving them as a sure solution. As to other hardware such as GFXcard and fans, those should shut down themselves when set too high a task, and especially when/if they exceed heat parameters.
However, again, we do not have even one proven instance of this having happened.
Would you like me to get more technical with the explanation than that, or are you keeping up so far?
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Pretty much seems like that
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a task which was technically interrupt by a freeze/crash caused by the hacker. In a lot of cases the freezes or crashes will not end until power has been lost. And there's the associated risk of corrupting the device. That said, BHVR should still take it to heart and focus on dealing with hackers as nobody should be in a position where they have to take that associated risk just for being in a lobby with a hacker.
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Wacky. Not suprising that people are starting lies and getting people scared to play the game. Its just an attempt to hurt the games reputation.
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I swear this same issue popped a 2 years ago but it was immediatly called out as an attempt to ruin the game.
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The issue is that the game is poorly optimized, hackers are rampant, and that those two things can be confirmed by basically anyone - even the people trying to dismiss the console-bricking claims probably can't deny those two issues with the game.
Pair that with prior bricking claims in the past:
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/ipygkr/dbd_crashing_my_xbox_one_x/
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Now does that mean these recent bricking claims are true?
No, but there's history and other reports of this happening to people prior, and they're been related to the current issues surrounding the game right now. So I do tend to be on the side of caution instead of full-out dismissing peoples claims.
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If your asking if there is evidence that they have acted to hide information from these forums I'm not entirely sure if I can answer that question without breaking forum rules.
I had been temporarily banned from the forums for simply telling other people that the information that was bring hidden was not something we were allowed to discuss. I was also criticizing the devs but the mod indicated that wasn't against the rules.
If you had been on the forums the last couple of months you may be aware of what they were hiding. Did that answer your question?
This post is in no way a criticism of the dbd devs and should not be taken as such. It is also not intended to point out any forum rules being violated both of which are understood to be against forum rules.
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Tbh it's probably Sony bricking the consoles, telling people they need to upgrade to next gen.
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oh yeah I'm not saying you dont have experience so far your the only one that seems knowledgeable about it no offense what you are saying is absolutely correct and you are right that unplugging or turning off could cause the save data to corrupt I agree with you 100%
all I'm saying is ik cause I've corrupted the save data on my ps4 and ps4 multiple times that you can just restart it and it will wipe your data and build a new database which yeah you lose all your data which sucks but all the dbd data is stored server side so the first time you log back on you'll get it back of course you'll lose your data for other games
but as far as ik from all my years of experience there is no code or anything you can do technologically wise that will ever prevent a system from turning on and off
corrupt data sure, fry your graphics or wifi card sure but I've never seen anything that prevents a system from receiving power and turning on asides from a lightning strike
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I've had the same issues myself with my PS4 thanks to power outtages, issues being my hard drive corrupting and god what a pain that was 😅
Now I will admit, I'm not 100% sure as to the specifics behind what causes a brick, to my knowledge it is directly related to failure within the firmware, and of course firmware can fail when a hard drive has corrupted. If the firmware isn't functioning properly and the system can't automatically fix or reset itself, then the device will "brick" to protect the rest of the system. Instead of trying to run the system on broken firmware. That's my understanding of it, correct me if I'm wrong. So I'm fully of the belief a simple crash could lead to a brick given certain circumstances.
I think it's of note to mention consoles bricking because of crashes is not unheard of, and is actually substantiated with Anthem, many players reported issues with the game bricking their consoles and the issue was promptly picked up by developers and confirmed by them to be the case. So I see no reason as to why people should claim any different here on DBD.
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the first video was just the game freezing, its happened to me on xbox one, but the 2nd one is wacky
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Yeah. I'm gonna keep on playing on my XSX. Not gonna bother my head with this one. But will be on a lookout if there's gonna be more cases. But at the moment, this looks more like a case of a "blowing things out of proportions".
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