Does Spirit need another nerf? Specifically her movement speed/phasing cooldown
The nerf was fine and she deserved every bit of it, so I would say that she's not as cheap to use as before. However, her addons pretty much negate the nerf anyway. Directional audio doesn't do anything if she can just catch up to you in just a few seconds. An addon combo I commonly encounter from Spirit players are dried cherry blossoms - which gives killer's instinct within 4m of a survivor, and mother daughter ring, with 40% speed increase in phasing. That's nearly as fast as hillbilly/blight.
Another addon combo is the aforementioned ring and purple amulet which makes phasing longer with 15% reduced movement speed - but still extremely fast with the total of 25% speed increase.
The worst part about this addon combo is that in a chase, spirit can just phase for 1 or 2 seconds and they'll be able to get very close to the survivor (4 meters is a pretty big deal) and instantly trigger killer's instinct. It would be stupid for the survivor to walk, crouch, or even retrace their steps to mindgame scratchmarks (scratch marks are not visible with ring but survivors obviously dont know the addons ran) - basically the phasing power will always be ready after you hit the survivor, essentially ending the chase in less than 15 seconds.
What do you think? Here's a video to show you what I mean.
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Nah. We need at least 3 or 4 actually strong killers. Spirit was fine anyway aside from being annoying due constant guesswork. Now you know where she's coming from and can act accordingly, speed or no speed, there's countrrplay and you can vault that window or drop that pallet in the right side.
Nerfing Spirit further doesn't make any sense tbh. Survivors are already getting B tier killers like Wraith and Deathslinger nerfed. If it keeps going this way, soon you'll have nothing left to even fight against. The game ain't going to be fun for most if they’re just steamrolling through every match.
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Yea, especially since data collected by BHVR is full of holes and errors and a control group. I mean Nurse is S tier but has the lowest kill rate in DBD. So they nerf freddy. kk
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Spirit needs to be left alone now.
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Survivors really aren't going to be happy until every game is a guaranteed 4 man escape.
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The Add-Ons in the video deserve a Nerf, this is for sure. I dont even know how they left MDR the same as it was. And the Dried Cherry Blossom is just a big crutch which makes it super-easy to track people. The Downside is basically nothing, since you get such a strong Upside, even worse that you have the same Downside twice when using both Add-Ons, which makes it even more meaningless.
Also, they should try the dust, they were planning it anyway and they should test it.
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Have you used the 4m killer instinct add on? 4m is actually pretty small, and often just listening for a survivor is better.
Imo it's not worth the slot. I'd rather use the 40% speed boost plus activation charge speed. Much quicker to catch up.
I think overall spirit is in a good place now. Her only real problem was survivors not knowing whether she was phasing and having to just guess what the best play was. They fixed that. She's fine now.
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You're forgetting that the Spirit does not see the survivor. The Spirit player needs the phase duration and speed to catch up to survivor's clues. It's not easy to read the sounds and another hints.
Meanwhile, survivors now have a very loud and clear directional sound of phase so they can at least throw a safe pallet or vault the window and negates Spirit's hit.
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Its comical at this point. Just gotta try and laugh at it, hope for the best 🤣
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People are still playing her. So the nerf didn't have the desire affect.
You need make sure it works this time.
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4m of radius means she covers an entire area of 50m² while phasing. Combining that with the MS addon and it's far from being small.
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Stop.
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I'm really questionable how you think new Dried Cherry Blossom makes her nerf nothing.
Even if you only encounter Mother Daughter Ring & Yakuyoke Amulet / Dried Cherry Blossom Spirit, I wouldn't say she needs another nerf.
Cause she relies on them more than you think and the gap between MDR and 2nd speed addon is very huge.
She doesn't have old good green addons, her changed addons are either memey or trash.
And people still don't realize why high MMR Spirit players mostly use Mother Daughter Ring.
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Can we please just leave her alone now.
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No, she's fine. The only thing that needs changed is her Mother Daughter Ring addon.
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She need overheat 🙃
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Whataboutism. There is a reason why Spirit cannot see the Survivor, giving her a pinpoint indication is simply wrong.
But I dont think it has any sense to argue with you.
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Yes she does well not a nerf to her movement speed but, we was lied to about her kicking up dust now when phasing which is what I want. Honesty, spirit/plague/pigs are just uber annoying, all the other killers are great to me (even tunneling nemesis) and my heart bleeds on the poor DS mains as that man by no means needed a nerf.
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While playing more Killer. But eh, I guess I must like to sabotage myself according to you.
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Killing instinct is not even that good for Spirits that were good with her before the nerf and used her ears for tracking, it's 4 meters and hearing goes further away. Her old perk combo was way better, but of course, for noob Spirits this is better because they don't need as much experience with her. They just dumbed down the killer making it easier for bad Spirit players to play her and harder for good Spirit players to play her against good survivors. And wanting to nerf the base kit of a killer just because some addons are still good... I don't even know how to respond to that without getting banned.
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She’s fine now she doesn’t need the dust kicking. Can we please move on to another to backlash? Thank you.
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seriously though
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Why nerf again? Oh did she killed you again? Then by all means, lets nerf the ######### out of her
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Devs: We thought that the Spirit’s directional audio would be enough to make Spirit unable to kill to we’ve decided to give her regular movement speed while on her power to hopefully make it way easy for survivors.
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While phasing, the survivors will be able to see a opaque sillouhette moving around the map, because it will be harder for the survivors to see her, the spirit will move at 2.5 speed, and lose the ability to see anything besides the map, no scratch marks, or blood.
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this
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It sure didn’t long for a thread like this to come up.
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We’ve also decided to buff the size of Coal Tower, Wrecker’s Yard, Dead Dawg Saloon, Father Campbell’s Chapel, and Rancid Abbittoir to levels of Mother’s Dwelling, Disturbed Ward, and Shelter Woods. This will ensure The Spirit has no shot to catch survivors.
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Since this would render other killers into the high tiers (i.e blight) with mobility, we have removed the ability for all other killers to move, so killers don't need to worry about spirit leaving the meta.
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Definitely not
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Survivors: why are mah que times lasting for 4 hours???
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Yeah, we need a killer that is an ez win factory. We don't need balance in our game, right?
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How are they queing at all?
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Am I just too old to get any value out of her 4m addon? I feel like I cant react fast enough to instantly lunge at the heart beat
I miss being a twitchy 12 year old cod gamer :(
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She literally just got nerfed bruh.
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Thy playing as a soloQ survivor and then say again how the game is "survivor sided".
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Unfortunately I really haven't gotten to experience new spirit that much as a survivor. I've only seen her once since the update. Most of the good killers I run into are blights.
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some of the replies here shows that they're the type who just look at the headlines of a news article. i never said to nerf her basekit, i only mentioned that her addon, mother-daughter ring, is a bit too powerful on an already relatively easy to use killer. with the ring you can say that she moves as fast as blight and hillbilly, but the difference between her and them is that blight and hillbilly actually takes skill to use, making it not seem as cheap.
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Holy crap no. Leave her tf alone
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Yeah she need a Big Nerf every Killer Needs a Big nerf so they cant even hit Survivors
Killer shouldnt be able to hit Survivors whit there Weapon or Power also Killers should be slower as a Survivor so they cant even get them
Make the Game more Survivor friendly as it already is Survivor should have fun and Killers are there Plaything
SURVIVOR MAINS IN A NUTSHELL
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Easy to use??? Omg can we please let that go already, she’s harder to use now.
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The dust kicking would kill her but we have someone saying we need it lol. Just get better dude, at facing spirit. Ive escaped alot more often against spirits.
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No.
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I said relatively easy when compared to blight and billy as she shares similar speed to them with the ring addon. with a trusty pair of headphones and combining ring with dried cherry blossom addon, getting downs with her is a walk in the park as she'd only have to listen for footsteps, trigger killer instinct, and M1 omegalunge.
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You’re using an iridescent and purple add on to justify her difficulty. That’s not really fair tbh, because we might as well say Blight is easy because he has Alchemists Ring + Compound Thirty-Three.
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I only play solo Q. The game is unbearably survivor sided.
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Okay... well, Blight is my main killer and while those 2 addons can be strong, you still need to be able to hit 90/180 degree flicks, deal with hug tech inconsistencies sometimes, make note of which objects are slidable, etc. So all these things that a blight need to do, I feel it takes more effort than a spirit. Perhaps you can see now why I say Spirit is definitely one of the easier top tier killers.
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That stuff just isn’t necessary and 180 flicks only increased his skill cap by so little that it’s almost unnoticeable. I would say that Blight takes more skill than Spirit coming from a Spirit main, but after her update, she’s much closer because you still have to adjust to Iron Will which you don’t know right away a survivor has it.
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Notice how spirit can hook survivors. This needs a nerf.
Look at my 1 pic of evidence.
Edit: Name censor
And on top of that look at this!
Oh wait ignore that
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sigh
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I don't know about you guys, but I have almost instant survivor queue times (no matter the time). My killer queues are usually longer.
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