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~6 months later and Trickster is still an awful Killer.
6 months after his release and the Trickster is still an awful Killer in almost every aspect. At this point I've given up on ever seeing a buff for this Killer that'll make him an actually viable Killer because of how's hes designed and how slow BHVR are at changing anything. Do you guys believe that Trickster in his current form is just a lost cause?
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Yeah but they made Deathslinger so ######### it's way more fun and rewarding to play Trickster instead.
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And he will stay that way as long as survivor mains consider him to be OP.
Yes, he is definitely a lost cause. This was his tome, and they ain't help a homie out unless you consider nerfing Slinger to help him find his niche a bit better. Rofl.
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The problem is like legion you can’t buff him without breaking him. Tricksters case is not as bad his buffs are easy but he’s ironically tricky to change
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Yeah, that's the issue with him. His power is so awfully designed that he will either be overpowered or underpowered, no inbetween.
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Trickster daddy is my fav killer to go against. its people who seem to not be good at dodging his knife think his op and he is not, heck I even do crazy things to a trickster by running right at his face and spin around him if he wants to throw knifes lol and he miss so many or even runs out and have no choice but to whack me 2 times. For me personally who love to go against him and learning him, he seem decent but I would not mind a buff to him if others think he needs it.
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I cannot resist any thread where Trickster is mentioned just because I want to like him so much, but I can't in his current state.
I literally do not care what state of balance he is in overall. All I want is for them to change his kit to make his knives bounce off walls base kit, and have his add-ons adjust what effect the bouncing knives give. If they have to gut him to make it viable in their minds, fine, but give me the Trickster I envision.
I know it's selfish of me to demand that without consideration for his current fan base but oh well.
Bea wants what Bea wants.
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Yeah, I went knife only for the rift challenges and once survivors noticed, they were chasing me. I had to Mayweather my way through the challenge.
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On controller his aiming is horrific. I tried throwing knives at very close range only to have like half of them miss even though I was looking directly at the Survivor. I was in complete shock over how bad he actually is.
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which console? it dont seem bad on ps4(ps5) for me.
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I thought everyone was overexaggerating about his recoil, and then I tested it in a game where 2 people DC'd and I felt bad, so I was going to just let them go. The knives are never centered and the recoil is basically like the old MW3 Desert Eagle. Lawd almighty everything made so much sense retroactively.
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I play him on console a lot, and I actually think he's a lot of fun to play as. He's been my main lately along with Freddy. He's not very good, probably one of the worst on console, but he's pretty fun and he has cool cosmetics and mannerisms
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I don't think Trickster is a bad killer at all... I think there are more people who don't play Trickster because they assume he is bad. He's also a fairly difficult killer to learn, much less even consider mastering. He falls in line with other killers like Pinhead, Demogorgon, Ghostface, Pyramid, and Clown - killers that should know their powers enough to take full advantage of them.
I see Demo players who don't use their portals at all. Ghostface players stealthing out in the open. Pyramid players second guessing themselves and losing a chase. Pinhead players usingtheir chains near pallets. Clown players throwing bottles before a pallet is even dropped.
There's no question, with such varying skill levels in the game, that some people just will not understand how to play Trickster. That transfers to every player in the game. And with such a huge stigma surrounding Trickster, even fewer people are playing him... the less people play him the less people will learn how to play him.
I kinda wish there were more Trickster enthusiasts because I think he's really fun to play. Ghostface too.
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He's not that bad actually. If you don't spam knives, make each of them count and have good aim he can chew through healthstates.
Nothing A tier worthy ofcourse but a solid B tier. You can win if you make good plays and use his strengts well
Again if you can aim. Which means console is screwed. Console trickster is indeed awefull
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I strongly disagree. They really made him much more stronger and more fun to play. He is decent good killer (if you can aim with him well).
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Agree. Trickster is one of the worst Killers in the game with no originality. You want to play a good ranged Killer? Play Huntress, she's guaranteed to take a health state wherever Trickster is able to get a single knife in. Huntress also has better range and doesn't get destroyed by high wall loops unlike Trickster who is an 110 Killer with no power at those loops. I'd love it if he would get a rework and focus on his musical abilities instead of his knives throwing ability.
Here's how it could look like
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He's a ranged machine gun. Doesn't do much damage per shot(like huntress) but doesn't need to be anywhere near as accurate. I personally enjoy spamming knives with him.
Only change I'd make is to make showstopper completely under you control on when to use. Stupid that it can come up when it's useless and just be wasted.
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I like the idea, I really do, but he would be a face camping menace if he could hold main event. I guess it would be fine if Bubba is fine, but I assume that is their concern.
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Or what if you need to practice him more instead of just hoping to him to get a buff? In fact I personally believe trickster is not as weak as you make him out to be, trickster main here and I can easily say that he is really oppressive add bamboozle and shack is nothing but a joke vs him.
Practice aiming and you will see, I'm not saying that he is stronger than huntress per say but he is indeed at least high b or low a
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At this point, I just assume they want face camping to be a thing. Could just make it so you cannot activate it anywhere near a hooked survivor too. Still, having it pop on the last thrown knife that downs someone with no one else around completely wastes it.
His main power isn't that powerful, I say let him hold it. People already camp with him anyway.
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Reduce knifes by one again and it will be okay.
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Yeah except I've been playing him for so long that now I'm stuck at high MMR. Trickster is nothing but a pub stomper or an old Bubba because in high MMR survivors know his main weakness which is rounding corners in loops. It makes so so that almost every chase your in will last for long amounts of time, and including the fact that now you have to reload constantly with his 44 knives makes it extremely difficult to win. The only times I've ever won in high MMR with Trickster was when the survivors messed up really badly. The only time you'll ever win in high MMR with Trickster is if the survivors are somehow bad, they mess up, or you get lucky with RNG and get a map that doesn't invalidate his entire power.
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I like the state that Trickster is in - in terms of playing as and against him.
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No amount of buffs they give to his knives will compensate the fact Trickster should be 115%. They could even revert the Laceration meter to 8 knives to damage if they just made him a 115% (and get rid of his stupid lullaby).
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Except for the fact that I've been playing him since his PTB days, I'm not some new comer towards him. The only thing he has going for him is the fact that's he's a pub stomper and he's one of the best campers in the game. In high MMR survivors will round corners and put objects between you and them forcing you to hold W for a decent amount of time, then when you finally catch up to them, assuming they didn't go to a really strong loop against him, then you can finally start to go through their health state. Then after that whole chase is over, you will have at best used around 18 knives and at worst 30, either way you'll have to reload. He has a massive time efficency issue that isn't helped by anything other than his ability to camp.
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The problem of Trickster is he is so bad in a lot of maps. He is only good in maps with few walls and low profile loops like most of Autoheaven ones, Swamps and some maps of other realms like Shelter Woods and he is also slow and is a pain to use in huge maps like Ormond.
Who want to play a killer which only shine in about 10% of the maps and in the rest is trash.
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I still wish they had made him more of a ranged strategy killer that could build Laceration on Survivors that didn't vanish until they changed Health States. Then, he could set up snowballs or big plays.
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years later and trapper, the poster boy of the game, is still weak even after his buffs. Same for other killers.
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Trickster has a good "feel" to how he plays though. I would rather every Killer "feel" good than be strong. Deathslinger just got the barely decent "feeling" taken away from him. He plays like trash now with that slow aim.
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I mean people say trickster is easy-mode and that you can just miss 24/7 and still kill people. survivor mains that say that are so funny sometimes. trickster is hard as heck to play. even I miss like so many knives when survivors has good movement.
my main problems with trickster from playing him is that you spend so much time in throwing mode that your permanent m/s might as well be 96% which is really slow and other problem with him is that you have reload 24/7 now.
Survivor's say he is ez mode. auto-win if you pick him. I mean he has 40 meter lullaby so of course people shift+W vs that. he moves so slow in throwing mode that you lose distance for throwing knives so using objects is easier from you being so slow. The joys of playing killer where using abilities is punishment. I have same ammo problems as you. its funny, they also nerfed his throwing rate add-ons which are like his only good add-ons.
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I like trickster
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Trickster is fundamentally flawed. He's actually a lot like old Legion in terms of not working within the games mechanics. His whole power is about hitting combos. In a game with a 2 state health system. The fact that the laceration just decays over time is also pretty detrimental but essential to keep him from being a tunnel machine. If you use him like old pyramid head and just hit survivors during animations then you will kill them eventually. But that's why Trickster sucks. He's not fun for either side. At some point the survivor is going to go down, but when? Using your power at anything other than a low wall loop takes either longer or the same time as it would just running around and getting an M1. Looping Trickster isn't hard but it's also really boring. You wait until he's done with his knife barrage and then he's just a 110 with no power again.
I really think BHVR just wanted to push out a K-pop killer for traction. After all K-pop is one of the biggest industries rn. His lore sucks. His power sucks. He does have some good aesthetics though. Sadly his fashion is his only redeeming quality. His power seems really uninspired and trying to implement it into dbd only made it come out awkward.
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Ok so usually this depends on where the survivor is and if they're injured. I don't go on long chases with Trickster because it's not beneficial for me, even as a ranged killer. I don't do very many long range knife throws either, because they can just strafe away from them. The same goes for survivors who hug obstacles. That should be an easy M1 if they're not using pallets. Basically you have to judge when it's best to throw knives, when to M1, and when to drop a chase
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The issue with dropping chase is that Trickster is an awful Killer when it comes to that. Atleast with Legion you can force them to mend and quickly find other survivors, but as Trickster you have no map mobility and no information gathering ability with no natural slowdown either. This means that abandoning a chase with Trickster is going to waste a ton of his time and unless you can make that up by quickly downing the next survivor you find, you'll have lost so much time you won't be able to come back easily from it.
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When you fire Slingers gun, he has no recoil. Trickster gets recoil from throwing 3 knives.
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Abandoning chase isn't a bad thing for Trickster at all. It means you'll find them another time in a more compromising spot. Basically resetting yourself so you don't waste your time on a bad chase. I've found more luck with that than I have arbitrarily chasing each and every survivor until they're down.
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dont worry!
they fixed the issue of Trickster just being a worse Slinger with trainingwheels simply by gutting Slinger so hard that this no longer applies :D
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Except, that's wrong, because where trickster can get a single knife in, huntress needs to load a hatchet before she can throw it, let alone that trickster can hit knives through gaps huntress could only wish she could hit. Trickster doesnt really get destroyed by high wall loops any more than huntress(again, plenty of times huntress cant get a hit where Trickster can, perhaps not enough to gain 1 healthstate over huntress, but still plenty).
The issue a lot of players have who cant really play Trickster, is that they pull out knives far too early. Trickster has a built-in mechanic that is quite fearsome for SWF's: the more people nearby, the easier it is for Trickster to get kills. He's even better than Bubba at punishing survivors who want to tank hits, because survivors can split up against a Bubba who revs where splitting up is only a minor inconvenience for Trickster.
Add there that Trickster is also very good at securing a kill when he needs one.
Trickster is terrible when compared to Nurse, sure, but 70% of the killers are terrible compared to Nurse. If you look at public games, Trickster is quite effective. His biggest counter is people with 0 hookstates tanking hits for teammates who already do have hookstates. Anywhere else, and he is fine right now. The reason why Trickster was almost as low with average kills as a Nurse, was simply because those statistics included Trickster before the changes.
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Trickster is just fan-service killer, with an uninspired, no brain and spammy power.
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You do realize that those statistics include quite a lot of data before Tricksters buff(almost an entire month)? Let alone that Trickster is a kind of killer that needs skill to utilize his power(aka, you cant just start playing Trickster and do well, it's why Plague and Huntress are also so low even though they are solid killers).
Trickster isnt a bad killer, he needs a lot of skill to operate. You can consider that both a good and bad thing, but against a good trickster, you will face hell, against a bad trickster, you just need to walk around a tree.
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I personally think Trickster is as balanced as he's going to be at the moment. I don't really have too many complaints with him anymore, but this is my killer sided opinion. It's hard to give my survivor sided opinion — because 98% of Tricksters I go up against are nice to me. I've only seriously played against 1-2 Tricksters who either didn't know how to be nice or didn't want to. Easy to loop in those situations — but that's given I understand exactly how he works.
In the situations that me and a Trickster are being friendly to one another, most of the time he completely shreds the rest of the survivors. Is it because there's one survivor (me) that's building a collection of items for the Trickster in killer shack and not really helping except for getting unhooks? Maybe.
I agree 100% with @Vampwire though. "I really think BHVR just wanted to push out a K-pop killer for traction. After all K-pop is one of the biggest industries rn.". I still ended up loving him though (even though I know little to nothing about kpop), so I guess the ploy worked in some ways.
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who could seriously think trickster is OP??
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I don't like that his blades got reduced to 44. That needs to be reverted back to 60.
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Did you expect more from a k-pop?
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Trickster almost definetly gets destroyed by high wall loops. If you lose line of sight against a good Survivor, their laceration is gone and you can't do anything about it because you're 110% and can't catch up quick enough
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It wasn't a Trickster buff, it was a nerf. It might have made his 1v1 scarier, but this still decent at best while they nerfed his 4v1 by reducing the time Laceration needs to get removed and his knife count
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And you think I'm not high mmr then? You can tell if you are high mmr if you find cheaters really often which is another topic ofc but honestly trickster is far away from being bad
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I don’t I’ve seen ANYONE say he’s OP just really unfun. He chucks 1000 knives at you and you just W key not much counterplay like the huntress hatchet
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