Why do you think The Cenobite is overperforming

Maybe for the same reason I get half my Freddy kills. People realize and throw the game then who wants to sit through 4-5 gens to let 2 maybe 3 people escape in pity for the 12th time so you kill em anyway to move on.

No drawback to doing that as survivor since actually it helps get an easier game for them.

because he has a really strong passive ability that you can get some value out of without even needing to do anything, bonus points that it affects solos much more than it does SWF

He isnt. Barely anyone plays him so he has the Hag affect. The only people who are playing him are the people who love him and Survivors are not familar with his strats.

He is a solo queue bully killer, and can also handle SWFS if the pinhead is good.

Also he is a new killer and new killers always have higher stats at release.

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He’s so weak his passive is the only thing that gave him value. They needed to buff his chain power to compensate because that just feels worthless

"In my opinion the only addon wich needed a nerf was the fang. the rest is completely fine."

Dude, this is literally Hill Billy, and you saw what they did to him

Tread carefully my friend :(

Except these nerfs do kill the synergy between Hoarder/Franklin's and the box. Only morons never caught on to what someone with that build was doing. Once they catch on, they run the box as far as possible to solve. 6 seconds isn't enough time to get across a map or even halfway across a map. Chain hunts will no longer affect the box holder while solving, a max of 3 seconds can only be applied to solving it, they killed the build with this move.

Look, I understand that it may not be 'fun' to go against. But I also find that most people that say that also don't try to learn how to play against a killer more than one way. Each killer has a particular counter, but everybody wants to just loop and run and that's just not possible with every killer. At least not until a bunch of unnecessary nerfs. Deatbslinger was unnecessary, Wraith nerfs were unnecessary (just needed to adjust his Windstorm addons to account for his cloaked speed buff), Twins nerfs to Victor was unnecessary (somebody that was way out of position shouldn't be able to run across a room or a wide open space and crush Victor because he missed or had a successful down), Ghostface recharge addon nerfs unnecessary, and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

But the nerfs that have been thrown survivor side have also been headscratching as well. Keys did need to be nerfed, but I feel what we got was just way over compensating and lacking any real thought. I like the hatch getting an animation to open. I don't like that it only spawns when there's one person left no matter what. I don't think it should spawn before last gen is completed unless there's only one person left. But if gens are completed, it should spawn for sure. A purple key should be good for one person only no matter what as long as it has full charges. A pink key could get all 4 out if all 4 are alive, but opening animation should also be longer if there's more than one survivor.

I'm just going to stop here because I'm sure I've more than made my point and I'm probably already annoying enough in my few sporadic posts here. I just feel that much better decisions could have been made balance wise if the community as a whole was listened to and not just reacting to a portion that just criess for nerfs.

Cenobite with add-ons and franklins/hoarder were a nightmare to deal with even for SWF’s. That translated to a guaranteed 4k for solo q’s. Add that to the annoyance of his ability that most players flat out refused to interact with by dc-ing when they see pinhead.

Hoarder was never an issue on Pinhead. The only time Hoarder gave Pinhead information that he didn't already know was if the survivor picks up the box within the hoarder range and then tried to move somewhere else to solve the box. And knowing a survivor picked up the box doesn't mean pinhead was even capable of doing anything about it if the survivor was far enough way since the survivor could always go into a locker when pinhead drops his chase to find the survivor who picked up the box. Chains don't spawn while a survivor is in a locker and pinhead isn't going to have the time to search every locker for the survivor who grabbed the box.

And if a survivor picks up the box and immediately tries to solve it then hoarder did nothing since pinhead knows where the survivor is while solving the box.

Hoarder simply was never that good on Pinhead outside of a very specific use case where a survivor already near pinhead (like within TR) picks up the box and tries to run it elsewhere where Pinhead would be able to engage in a chase with very quickly.

As for Franklin's, it's alright. It's not a great perk and there's not a huge advantage in knocking the box out of a survivor's hand and picking it up manually compared to downing the survivor and getting the box automatically.

After 3k solo survivors, Pinhead is the first killer that makes solo play an absolute nightmare. It is not his power alone that causes it but the complete lack of communication that currently exists between solo survivors.

You can have 3 survivors near a box, and there is no way to guess or even indicate to each other who should get the box, who could also help cover/divert killer's attention etc. You typically either get more than one person gunning for the box as if it was a fumble, or more often nobody that is actually free to do so actually goes for it, and the chain hunt begins while you are 80% done with your gen, and you still find yourself forced to make a blind run for it.

He didn't need a single nerf, except for the thing where the chains would hit the survivor trying to do the box. Literally, you need Engineer's Fang and Hoarder for him to be viable, and now they made Engineer's Fang worse. If he is overperforming, as usual it's because of bad survivors. You can just break the chains instantly on an obstacle, or hold the box hostage.

People won't do the box, won't learn to do the box, and then chain hunt starts. Even then, on a large map they still have a good chance of shutting it down just by dint of getting to the box way before Pinhead can. Sure, he can teleport, but it takes minimal effort to then have an LOS blocker in the way, and it's just another chase.

So instead, make as many of the add-ons as useless as possible! Now there's no way to buy enough time to interrupt the solving; "at least have to look for the box rather than immediately see it" has a range nerf; and the engineer's fang nerf means his chance of getting a follow-up hit to take advantage of the injury is even worse.

It doesn't help that the turn rate/chain distance add-ons are almost actively harmful, since the aim is super twitchy at the beginning even before it's increased, and the longer the chain is before it stops = longer you're stuck in an anim if you didn't aim at an object/the floor.

It seems people want a killer nerfed into having a hard-to-aim anti-loop power that doesn't even work on any moderately sized loop and easily loses you chases if missed, because learning "do the box" after more than one or two games is too much thought.