HOW TO BALANCE SWF!!!

SWF is balanced.

Killers use ebony memento mori and ruin + noed all the time.

Main killers cry a lot, holy god

Unfortunately every game has its share of bad players and DBD is no different. Bad killers camp and (mostly) bad survivors team up. The same goes with Fortnite, PUBG, BO4 etc... there is typically one player carrying the scrubs or they're all scrubs.

The only way to deal with this correctly is to separate them completely from the rest of the player base. Period. Having mics is a game changer and they shouldn't be mixed in with other players. It's not just the killer they are griefing. They do it with other survivors as well. They'll bring the killer to you on purpose etc...

You could also suspend ranking for that mode just for them. You could even go as far as indicating who is together in the lobby so we can leave a match or a killer can end the game before it starts. However, and again, they need to separated from the everyone else.

If that isn't possible, then there is nothing that can really be done to fix it and it's a moot point. Toxic behavior aside, SWF makes matchmaking much worse for both sides trying to fill lobbies. Hopefully that will change with the planned matchmaking update, but I for one would rather not play with SWF players.

@Rebel_Raven said:
Kinda hard to think of them as not SWF when they do obvious stuff that makes it obvious that they are SWFs.
Acts of coordination and knowing what and who is where no group of solos would ever pull off.

That's not always correct since I've been in countless games where I know everyone by name and we're all solo and just know what to do. The killer just gets outplayed or makes tons of mistakes then says I knew i should've dodged you because SWF.

If I see someone running for an unhook I simply turn around unless I'm close enough to help heal and if not I go back to totems/gens. Before region lock removal I used to play with the same group of 20 or so players around 2-4 am PST.

I knew their skill sets and how they played, I knew several were from Australia and same for New Zealand, 2 were from japan and 3 were from China. There were several west casters like me and 2 from Hawaii, 1 from Guam/outlying minor islands.

@BrendanLeeT said:

@Faceless said:
SWF is balanced.

Killers use ebony memento mori and ruin + noed all the time.

Main killers cry a lot, holy god

I'm not going to cry about SWF but your reply just made me laugh. First of all, NOED is the easiest perk to counter and I don't know why so many people cry about this perk being too overpowered. If you're new to the game let me give you a tip, you can break all of the 5 totems and NOED wouldn't activate! You can literally make this perk useless and waste a killer's perk slot at end game.

Correction: Surveillance is the easiest perk to counter. You don't have to do jack ######### for the killer to not get to use it! Buffs when?!

@powerbats said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Kinda hard to think of them as not SWF when they do obvious stuff that makes it obvious that they are SWFs.
Acts of coordination and knowing what and who is where no group of solos would ever pull off.

That's not always correct since I've been in countless games where I know everyone by name and we're all solo and just know what to do. The killer just gets outplayed or makes tons of mistakes then says I knew i should've dodged you because SWF.

If I see someone running for an unhook I simply turn around unless I'm close enough to help heal and if not I go back to totems/gens. Before region lock removal I used to play with the same group of 20 or so players around 2-4 am PST.

I knew their skill sets and how they played, I knew several were from Australia and same for New Zealand, 2 were from japan and 3 were from China. There were several west casters like me and 2 from Hawaii, 1 from Guam/outlying minor islands.

May not always be correct, but most times for me it is. I don't expect to be forming ties with people in this game. I don't play enough, and frankly I don't like people.

If you know how they play that lends to coordination. And you are still surviving with friends, you just didn't use the actual mode. What am I missing here? I'm hard pressed to call you randos, or solos here. It's pretty disingenuous to push the narrative you're just 4 solos.

I'm hard pressed to call it outplaying when you're still coordinated like that. It's not just you, it's you, and your pals combined.
And lets not pretend that SWFs, be it function or not, won't capitalize better on mistakes made.

You can't just up and dismiss the issue. My experiences in this game won't let you. You're not quite seeming in touch with the issue since you regularly play high levels, and there's no one really smurfing to vs you, and you just brush off SWF. You have the arsenal, experience, and so forth.

@Rebel_Raven said:

May not always be correct, but most times for me it is. I don't expect to be forming ties with people in this game. I don't play enough, and frankly I don't like people.

Well if you don't play enough then you're not facing a wider variety then so your data set is more limited. As for the latter that's no big deal, to each his or her own in forming relationships or liking ppl.

If you know how they play that lends to coordination. And you are still surviving with friends, you just didn't use the actual mode. What am I missing here? I'm hard pressed to call you randos, or solos here. It's pretty disingenuous to push the narrative you're just 4 solos.

Ok so because I know how solo people play that lends to coordination, how is that any different than a killer knowing how people play?

Also good grief just stop making up excuses since i'm not friends with any of them, I'm not friends with them on Steam, or any social media etc. Now you're just making up excuses and shifting blame from where it really is you.

If we all randomly queue in as solo players that's the very definition of randos no matter how you try and twist it to fit your biased narrative. You can try and twist , deflect use alternative facts, make up your own facts etc, it doesn't change the fact were random players.

You also just proved my point that the vocal minority on ehre will makeup and or use any excuse to justify their bad gameplay even against solo players. I gave you a perfect example of non swf and what'd you do make up an excuse and try and say it was swf anyways.

The only one being disingenuous here is you and the fact you'd thought that totally illogical argument would fly speaks volumes. It just goes to show you'll never accept that when you lose it's not just because swf or because their might've been swf but because of you.

I'm hard pressed to call it outplaying when you're still coordinated like that. It's not just you, it's you, and your pals combined.

It's called outplayed because the killer made more mistakes then we did and we're not pals since I'm not friends with them on steam and have never talked to them on voice or any social media. Oh and some of the killers we faced would also 4k us because GASP THEY OUTPLAYED US.

And lets not pretend that SWFs, be it function or not, won't capitalize better on mistakes made.

Oh gee it's almost as if solo's won't capitalize on mistakes as well or that GASP killers won't do the same.

You can't just up and dismiss the issue. My experiences in this game won't let you. You're not quite seeming in touch with the issue since you regularly play high levels, and there's no one really smurfing to vs you, and you just brush off SWF. You have the arsenal, experience, and so forth.

Why not, you're dismissing what I have to say because my experience isn't the same is yours so talk about being hypocritical. You can dismiss me but I can't dismiss yours well now that's about as entitled as you can get.

What I see is you making excuses up left and right and then when one excuse gets debunked or countered or is contradicted or you're given info to help you. All you do is go onto the next excuse and deflection, when that doesn't work it's insult, degrade, ignore and say your opinion is the only relevant one.

If you don't have the experience who's fault is that, yours or mine, you can't complain about lack of experience then turn around and complain about being bad because of same. You've had plenty of chances to get better but instead of getting better you chose the path of least resistance.

Which is of course make up excuses, blame others, blame the game, blame other players for just flat out playing better than you etc.

You're never going to get better if all you do is play the blame game and victim card, learn from your mistakes, accept you made mistakes and improve. I don't come here and complain when I get outplayed whether by solo or swf or a combo of them.

Since even when I win against said groups I still always made mistakes even when no gens got done, there's always something I can improve on. The same is true when I get smoked, i learn from what I did wrong and try to do better the next game.