Something needs to be done about the camping bubba
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I agree something needs to be done. He stands there the whole time idle.
I'd sign a petition to get Bubba a chair.
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Well stuck at 0 pip isn't the place to be, imo. If people like treading water at the lowest grade, more power to them, I guess.
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Grade doesn't matter lmao.
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Sounds like a you problem and not a game problem. BHVR can't go changing the game simply because you and your pals don't have the skill and knowledge to beat a camping Leatherface.
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Well, not getting grade, not getting MMR progression because of few kills, not getting BP...so what's the point? The incredible excitement of repeatedly playing the same match over and over? I guess if one were a profoundly simple person, that might be fun.
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I mean.. A face camping Bubba who runs NOED is actually a problem. They can almost always guarantee 2 kills, sometimes even more from little to no effort.
I shouldn't be surprised that some of you are defending this though, you probably do this yourselves.
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You are correct, we should buff him.
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You fail to understand why we defend it. Much like Sluzzy makes ironic, survivor sided posts, the vast majority of the killer community that recognizes how weak killers are right now will spare no opportunity to troll people calling for more killer nerfs. It just appears more sincere and less trollish because, well, we have facts on our side.
I dislike victim blaming, but if the chainsaw fits, wield it.
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I would assume the point is taking back the power role. Even if Bubba gets a single kill, the survivors cannot force a narrative in which they styled on the Killer. Bubba played exactly how he felt like playing, and the survivors either avoided him or met his chainsaw.
This is excluding the obvious existence of Bubba's that somehow don't have the skill to pull off a 1k against certain teams with this tactic. Yes, they exist.
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We know how to beat it, and we can beat it. That's not what this is about. It's about a significant amount of players not wanting to go up against people who actively want to ruin fun. It's not about winning or losing according to the game. It's about the fact that campers have fun by ruining the entire experience for others and making it feel like a waste.
It can be considered a game problem is if BHVR are empathetic about the fact that it indeed is a "you problem" for MANY people. Though, like most game devs, they don't clarify on their take on specific things like this, and given the fact that changes aren't being made for it, they are either ignorant about it or they don't care.
Another reason I made this thread is based on the slimmer of hope that they actually do care about the number of people who also care about it. I'm not going to settle for how things are if I feel like there is a chance of being able to influence change. Is that not one reason for forums to exist in the first place?
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It'll never be changed cause anything you can think of to fix it can be abused to hell and back believe me they've tried a number of things of the years to me personally it sounds to me like you are just in your feelings hard over this
If you play swf like you say you do you should be stomping most your games unless your bad no offense, why do you feel the need to win every game? Why can't you just be content playing the game even if you lose
As for the person on the hook gee idk ever heard of reading a book or looking at your phone I find these are things I do while waiting for the rescue and it costs you nothing your already just waiting no offense
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I don't know ask them
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I keep repeating myself when I say it's not about winning or losing according to the game. I'm not way in my feelings over that specifically. I don't care about that aspect anymore and I haven't for a while. I'm a way better killer than I am a survivor.
Again, what I care about is wasting fun. What I care about are people who are a-holes with their playstyle. It's not fun to win OR lose against a camper who actively seeks to ruin fun for anyone else, because it's not fun to play against them at all regardless. How many times must I say this?
Ironically enough, the person on the hook is not usually the one who gets upset. It's the people who want to save them because they believe the killer doesn't deserve the kill.
As a slightly unrelated sidenote, swf doesn't automatically imply doing better than in doing soloQ. Usually I'm better in soloQ because, as mentioned earlier, I work better alone. I just end up playing more swf because my friends and I play together often.
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But why is it not fun? It's not fun because of some made up concept in your head that, that is not how the game is supposed to be played
What about the Bubba player what about his fun? How is the Bubba ruining anyone's fun? You get to slam gens like you want to and get BP and the person on hook gets to watch YouTube video or something I'm lost here
See the whole problem here is made up ######### in your head there is no right or wrong way to play the game why do you believe the Bubba doesn't deserve the kill he found you and downed you fair and square is that not enough to deserve the kill oh let me guess he has to hook you all at least twice to deserve a kill is that it?
Stop thinking about it with imaginary concepts here are the facts about camping
The Bubba found someone and downed them, he camped then, they are more then welcome to kill themselves and move on to the next game or wait and stall time for you guys, you guys are more then welcome to do gens and totems and everything else
How does any of that sound like someone trying to ruin your fun?
How do you know they are doing it maliciously you don't you are just imagining that dude
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Yes, because killers don’t abuse camping now
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In my mind, the only two probable reasons a bubba plays like that are these:
- bubba is lazy and bubba just wants a free kill for a challenge or something
- bubba wants to take enjoyment out of the game for others, because bubba knows that it is an easy and infamous way of doing so
Sure, you can call them a made up concept in my mind because that's what it is, and you can call my shpeal a bunch of made up doodoo, but I'm not the only one who feels this way. It is indeed based on the fact that fun is subjective, and it is based on morality, but knowing that, and in spite of it, I'm not the only one who thinks like this.
My whole problem with it is that it is a COMMONLY HELD subjectivity.
In other words, I don't like camping bubbas because a lot of them PROBABLY do it to troll, and it takes away from the fun of the game. I am assuming (and I'm probably right) that there are many people other out there who have the same opinion.
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Or get this ik this is a wild concept
They just enjoy playing the game like that
Maybe everybody's not out to get you and everything isn't so personal or deep
Maybe there just trying to have fun just like you're trying to have fun
Ever think of that concept?
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The fact that you call people psychopaths for playing a killer within the mechanics of how they're meant to be played nullifies your credibility entirely for me. You can't project your own limited subjective perspective onto others who you don't know the first thing about, nor can you claim complete domain knowledge when you don't have it.
And when I said survivors dictate the flow of the game, and you said "no, SWF do"... guess what! SWF are survivors!!!
And survivors dictate the flow because until they start doing gens, or making themselves visible to the killer (they could spend the game hiding in lockers), the game literally doesn't progress. There is nothing the killer can do to progress the game that doesn't involve the survivor first... whereas the survivors can progress the game by just doing gens, etc, without the killer being involved in any way.
Ergo... survivors dictate the flow of the game!
This is the problem with survivor mains :(
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I don't think they do it to troll so much as they do it because it works with many survivors, and as long as they are rewarded for it, why stop? Survivors are conditioned to play altruistically, and that plays right into the hands of a camping bubba. It's a low effort, low skill endeavor; just get one hook, wait for the hook rushing, spam chainsaw. Rinse, repeat. I know, I've tried it, works well. Felt lazy, though.
The counterplay is obvious (ignore your hooked teammate and spam gens), but many survivors can't bring themselves to follow through. And it requires the hooked survivor to just sit on hook, but if executed correctly, the Bubba will be in a really bad place by the time that survivor dies.
The bottom line is that certain people will play this way so long as survivors reward them for it. Survivors are really the ones with the most influence here. It is continually griped about because it requires people to deviate from their usual strategy.
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No don’t think of it that way- camping Bubbas are a special breed. After constantly playing games of only getting 1 or 2 kills for just standing still, their ego will eat at them. They want the 4K, and they’re counting on your altruism to keep feeding them. Don’t fall for it. Do gens and get out. If you’re the one on hook, Martyr for the cause. That’s what I do. I cheer my teammates on when I see them trying to get gens done as quickly as possible. I know my death won’t be in vain. I scream at my tv when teammates waste time trying to find an opening, only to get downed and join me on an adjacent hook. They just gave the killer exactly what he wanted.
It’s your ego vs. his when you’re the one on the hook. Be the bigger man, swallow your pride- and try to stay on that hook as long as possible. Never try to Kobe off. Hopefully your team catches on and gets those gens done in time, and they can escape. Then they can teabag his camping ass at the exit in memory of you, and make him feel stupid. Trust me, if they get a lot of boring games like that they’ll either quit, stop doing it, or look for the next cheap Meta to farm kills and stroke their inflated egos.
That 1 kill you spoke of, hurts their feelings. They know they were outsmarted. I’ve seen a few of them trying to adapt with certain builds- to stop gens getting done quickly, while 1 person martyrs. Be strong.
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looooooool
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Launching into a game with the sole purpose to ruin other players gaming experience, and finding that amusing? Yes, I stand by my opinion.
You can't hide in a locker for long without crows swarming over your head. There is nothing a survivor can do to hinder the Killer to play or do whatever he/she likes. But, a killer can do that to a survivor. Either by a body block in a corner, or facecamping.
"This is the problem with survivor mains", lol. I play both sides and never do I feel that I have to facecamp. If you can't beat them take the L and move on, you will face teammates more of your skill the next game.
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"with the sole purpose to ruin other players gaming experience" - you're projecting now! You don't know the intentions, you only know the outcome. And it's a PvP... one side has to lose by design. If you're calling that "ruining other players gaming experience", then I think we've found the problem.
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Losing is fine. I die about 7/10 games, as long as I can play and be interactive it's fine.
Ruining everyone else's gaming experience is not fine.
I believe you know the difference after this whole discussion.
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"I'm happy to die so long as it's on my terms"
Yeah, that's not how the game works. Good luck with that.
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Congratulations, this entire post perfectly describes Survivor Bully Squads!
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Well camping is a strategy. If it's a face camping babba then have your friends finish the gens. Don't get upset just because the killer isn't playing how you want them too. My advice go play a different match.
Not every game will be a face camping killer. True if a killer is having a crappy game and only have 3 hooks at endgame, they're going to camp to complete their objective which is to kill the survivors.
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