¿Is it really hard to play killer side or the main killers are just dramatizing a lot?

Play killer its hard whethever you kill the whole sfw ream its 4vs1 of equal skill but too umbalance mechanics and perks, anyway i only loose with survs when they betray me and leads the killer to my position, this last sentence repeat frecuently on this days.

I think it's not nearly as hard as players make it out to be. "Gen rush" games are a series of misplays and bad decisions the vast majority of the time. An unfortunate aspect of MMR being hidden is that these types of players are also immune to any form of coaching or constructive criticism. If you're not having a hard time winning games, your hidden MMR number can't possibly be as high as theirs.

Killer role? No

High MMR killer role? Yes

I'd say most people disagreeing are having easier games as killer and "think" they're playing at high MMR when they're not.

4v1 and balance are not mutually exclusive things.... what? in what world can you not have balance in a asymmetrical game ? Maybe if you think there has to be a 50% chance or equal odds of winning for both sides. Sure that might not be reasonable.

Also so what part of this being a video game makes complaining invalid? what is this L take ? So i dont understand you have to either unconditionally love something or hate it unconditionally ? Can i not like cake but complain that it makes me fat? and still eat it and still complain about it ? I dont even know what ur trying to say .........

yes it is a game, and people have different levels of passion about the game. deal with the fact that people do care differently XD

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but bro XD just dont care about it. Get destroyed and keep queing bro. If you don't like it well find another game bro. asymmetrical games don't need balance LOL . I'm always getting 4k's and 3k's but when i play survivor then its the real hardmode. Right? Right? Its a game if you don't enjoy it just leave.

dude i love this attitude.

Sarcasm dialed up to 11.

It can definitely be difficult the better your opponents are, and there are problematic things left in the game that can skew the odds of matches significantly, such as certain maps and items/add-ons, but then again, that goes for both roles. Good killer players win the majority of their public matchmaking matches relatively comfortably and decisively day in and day out and have for years (you know, throughout the years where killer gameplay was objectively in many ways in a worse spot than it is today), and even in tournaments killers perform perfectly well - 4ks happen frequently, the average kills are slightly above 2, with the strongest killers even averaging around 3. In fact just today there was the first round of an "everything allowed" tournament (think 4 DH 4 DS 4 Styptics etc.), and kills averaged out to 2.3.

The game is far more balanced than many people here and elsewhere make it out to be or want to believe, and the outcome of matches is in fact very dependent on player skills. People don't seem to like that idea because then they have to accept that they maybe just aren't good enough, but that's unfortunate because shouldn't gaming precisely be about looking to improve and enjoying precisely that improving process? That's the most gratifying, rewarding thing about competitive games. Back in the earlier days of competitive gaming the mentality of "gamers" was different, people would not usually blame game creators for a game being too "difficult" or complain that a game should be changed to make it "easier", it was more accepted that people need to practice, improve, get better, that people should first and foremost concentrate on honing their skills. DbD as an asymmetric competition is of course a special game format, but nonetheless that DbD does reward skills a lot is just an obvious, objective, observable fact - how else do we explain that on the one hand there exist players like many of those on these forums, that complain that the game is unplayably difficult and impossibly stacked against them as killer, yet on the other, players that prove day after day, year after year, that they can dominate as killer in around 80-90% of their matches? Or how else do we explain that in tournaments, there are and have for years been specific teams of survivor and killer players that have been hugely disproportionally successful - are they just consistently more lucky than other players? Of course not, they're more skilled, and that affects outcomes consistently.

That said, I do believe SWF is a glaring balance issue that of course only really affects the killer side of that equation negatively. It has to be kept in mind that actual 4-SWF teams only make up around 5% of the total player pool, and that of those 5%, even less are on voice comms, let alone all super good at the game and trying super hard and such. But still, nerfs for SWF are long overdue, the game blatantly has not been balanced in mind with the idea of voice communications and the coordination of builds and strategies that SWF groups can produce. I also think various killer characters should long have been buffed, quite a few of them are just objectively and strikingly subpar compared to some of the stronger killers, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be brought up to snuff. That doesn't at all mean those weaker killers are not "viable" however - every single killer is absolutely viable in public matchmaking, even at high MMR. Personally I play lots of killer, face lots of good and experienced opponents, and still average between 2 and 3 kills, and that despite often playing lower-tier killers and often refraining from camping and tunnelling (the most effective killing strategies). 2ks are entirely feasible even with the weakest killer (Legion) against the majority of random groups if you camp and tunnel, and you can even regularly get 4ks. Sometimes I play perkless Legion and try hard to 4k to challenge myself, here are two from today:

I think you're wrong. Why should it not affect certain killers? good and coordinated swf are prepared for every killer they may play against.

Yes to both

Both. High MMR is an absolutely former one.

Believe it or not, there's also strange type who stomps bad, unexperienced players and think killer overall is very easy.

There are too many variables to give a definitive answer.

Besides the obvious ways of classifying what makes a game harder, such as the skill, coordination, perks, etc., there's also the subjective experience. Does the person complaining overestimate their skill? Have they made mistakes? Have they been judging based on emotion?

Nearly everyone has had at least one moment where they feel hard done by, or had a game where they were absolutely decimated by survivors. There is no shame in that, and rightly it may leave a bad taste afterwards. To really note whether it's too tough, you'd need to track every match as killer - recording perks used, results, items, etc., and even then you'd have to factor your own skill in.

This is why I'm not always thinking about "balance", because I genuinely do not believe an assymetrical game can ever be balanced. It's impossible to do. However, "fairness" is a more useful measure. In order for fairness to work, a lot of data needs to be examined.

Anyway, killer can be hard or frustrating, yet still remain fair regardless of the subjective experience.

Is there anywhere that I could read these rules and see for myself?

Solo survivors are easy to kill and hunt down.

It's the SWF working on comms that are nearly impossible to win against in my experience. You can't go against 4 people using all the meta perks and think your going to win.

To me the issue is less that it's harder and more that it's less fun. I lose about the same percentage of matches as killer and survivor, but the matches I lose as survivor usually don't feel super frustrating, and they're over pretty fast, whereas the matches I lose as killer (and, honestly, a lot of the matches I win) are a long, horrible slog where I have to fight tooth and nail for every point.

I’m a long time killer main 3+ years. Although i don’t think I’m a top tier killer i consistently got 3-4k most games with any killer I played. The past few months I feel have been god awful for killer. In fact i came here to post about how awful the killer experience has become and I found this post at the top of the page. I’m glad to see it’s not just me, but what did the devs do to this game recently to make it not fun to play. I find myself playing less and less and this has been the only game I consistently played the past three years or so.

Totem stacking has screwed it, get a hit run away heal, rinse repeat. no consequence.