*laughs in starstruck/madgrit/agitation/iron grasp*

(joke)

How do you loop in a deadzone? Or if the killer just hits you right after you come off of hook? "Run DS" isn't a valid counter since we shouldn't have to use band-aids to ensure someone doesn't grief the game for us.

I see the devs are committed to making nobody want to play killer by insisting that killers give up everything that they have going for them to make it easier on the survivors. Seriously, Moris are nearly useless now and yet they still want to change them?

If you think this utterly lopsided treatment of making the game fun is a good idea, I have a bridge to sell you.

Also, their point to change them again is so many killers at tunneling off hooks to get moris. They said this was one of the reasons they changed it the first time.

Short of making it impossible to kill one survivor before all the others are hooked (which is a balance disaster), they're not going to be able to stop this sort of focusing.

What they end up doing is sabotaging the rest of the game to try and stop people from doing the simple thing when you're outnumbered: even it up.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so bad for every other tactic.

They’ve tried several times to punish camping but survivors abused it.

That would defeat the purpose of tunneling. Getting somebody of the game as fast as possible

It's not the killer's job to make sure you have long engaging chases. In fact given the current state of the game, it's the exact opposite. The killer has no time to waste on long chases.

Killer is not responsible of survivors fun.

Good luck gaining any sympathy here or on the sub reddit, this whole forum is nothing but disgruntled killer mains who feel entitled to a 4k every match.

"Killer has to tunnel slug and camp, its the only way to ever win ever 😭😭😭😭

Why do I feel called out?

don't sweat it, I'm just being snarky. :P

Okay, story about tunneling.

(Warning a lot of text)

Map - Father Campbell's Chapel, my killer - Nemesis with Make your choice and Dragon's grip. Hero of the day - Adam Francis.

I down exposed Adam near Circus, hook him, shortly after he gets off hook and I down and hook him again. Finally I'm chasing some one else but Adam gets in the way wounded... no that's not like the story ends.

Once I pick up poor "tunneled" Adam, Decisive Strike cancel my plan of putting him on the third hook. Then he's gone, became the ghost :)

Tried getting him out by Dragon's Grip on gen I knew he was working, but utterly failed to do so. Adam became Dwight :)

At the end there was only two survivors left, one of them was Adam, his luck ended and I downed him. Just not to "tunnel" him again, he was left to slug there and finished the other survivor.

But the story goes on... I returned to Adam's resting place only to find out that he's gone. Adam survived because of the Hatch. But not in the way you all expected. While I found and closed the hatch Adam managed to crawl a solid distance to the far gate, avoiding me.

So now it ends. Adam got 3 deaths coming for him. Bleeding out (about 10 sec left), End Game Collapse (less than a minute) and Me :) But seeing poor Adam struggling to the last (and not being one of the S.T.A.R.S.), my heart melted, I picked him up, let wiggle out and open the gate. He slugged out to freedom having both last seconds of bleeding and End Game Collapse.

See you Adam :)

They admitted that in the stream and said they have been working on other ways.

This kind of response means you waive all right to complain when you come into contact with a skilled, SWF bully squad that spends the whole game stunning and blinding you. They aren't responsible for your fun.

Or... you could perhaps realize that this is a game and everyone is responsible for everyone's fun. Don't be a jerk. That goes for killers and survivors alike.

The game is quite explicitly designed with the goal of the survivors being to fix gens and escape, as quickly as possible, and the goal of the killers to eliminate the survivors while preventing them from doing the above.

If you have a problem with tunneling, or gen rushing, your problem isn't with other players, it's with the way the game was designed. It would be trivially easy to change the game to slightly different win goals and eliminate the problem completely, but BHVR doesn't want to do that because they think this is how the game should be played.

As an example:

Switch to a system that has some "party hooks" - all players get one hook state on their own (the struggle hook), and the rest are shared from a pool of 4 hooks that go to the survivors in general, then make the hook states last a bit longer. Suddenly tunneling or camping a player is no longer the most effective way to eliminate survivors and prevent them from escaping - instead, you are best off hooking whoever is easiest to hook and getting as many hooks as possible to chew through the opposing team's hook pile, with your ideal situation being having at least two people hooked at the same time.

That's just one easy way to change things, but there are countless others. BHVR has not expressed any interest in doing ANY of those things, and in fact have made tunneling a vital part of succeeding as the killer in high ranked games, so I think we can conclude that is the intended way to play the game at this point.

Nah, if I tunnel then I will tunnel. Might even facecamp if I feel like it. Point is: Everyone can play how they want to play. Dont force anyone into your made up rules.