Is It Just Me Or Is The Artist...Kinda...
Weak?
I mean, she's not raw-terrible like a few other killers, but the loss of her 'bird mines' hurt her more than I thought it would.
It's entirely possible that I just need to l2p, but a few observations:
- Her addons seem rather mediocre. Especially the purples and iris - the drawbacks are insane when compared to their benefits. Her yellows, greens and browns are functional, but boring.
- If I attempt to counter a loop, the second I start placing birds the survivor just holds W and they are gone.
- 'Swarms' don't seem to last long enough for me to follow it up with another birb strike even if I only use 1 birb - and it's absurdly easy to juke. It looks nice, but doesn't really do much (the aura reading doesn't last very long if they just start repelling immediately).
- Any map with varying elevation is a nightmare - Swamp is especially bad. Crows just sail over and under people even if I line up the shot wonderfully.
- Penti essentially requires Plaything to work properly (her adept...man).
- Scourge hooks remain insanely map dependent and almost necessitate Agitation to be consistently useful.
- Her BP gains are pretty weak overall, especially Deviousness. There doesn't seem to be any bonus score applied for a bird damage state.
It feels like she would have been great back in the days of endless looping, but the 'hold W' meta is hard to play against.
That said, this is also how I felt about Cenobite (RIP good addons) before I figured him out.
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I find her quite strong actually. Once you get used to her and her movement/timing, she shuts down loops like crazy. She also had the best ranged damage ability by far. Add in her detection abilities and she is a monster.
I am honestly expecting some strong nerfs eventually, especially after the VHS Beta period dies down.
Don't even get me going on how strong she is during EGC. No hope at all for survivors if you do it right.
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She is strong in my opinion, but luckily not op. If you expect a survivor to run away from a loop, you could try to fake placing a bird and then catch them easier that way.
Holding w is definitely the most effective strategy against her in many cases, but she still has the potential to hit a survivor at far ranges, it‘s just harder to do. But her potential to shut down loops alone makes her a fairly strong killer.
She is balanced in my opinion, although i do believe that a few changes could further improve her gameplay, and that of survivors going against her. But i have enjoyed the few matches against her so far.
Also, the new scourge hook perk is amazing in my opinion. An actual, new and viable perk alongside other slowdown perks. Of course that perk is affected by rng a bit as well. But I think it sits well between ruin and pgtw when it comes to its rng and effectiveness.
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I'm becoming a fan of Penti+Retribution+Plaything perks wise - still trying to get Agitation unlocked on birb lady. I've never liked Ruin (unreliable) or Pop (takes too much time to utilize sometimes). I tend towards being very aggressive - Surge gets a lot of use on almost all my killers.
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The crows are better as a threat then a weapon.
like clown bottles you throw in the open.
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got couple of 4ks with her and now im playing against top tier survivors and lost any will to play killer again
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Yeah I've been trying her with the limited time I have. I do adepts before I allow my killers to have perks and she's getting destroyed at my MMR. There's an achievement for downing someone with a crow but that takes way too long to do. Fortunately she's a normal speed killer.
The crows are okay as scouting to see if a survivor is at a gen or in an area...but you still have to go down there and down them. My survivors just keep doing their gen. So as far as I'm concerned unless I'm doing something wrong she's just an M1 killer with a cool design. There's no reason/incentive to use the crows.
This is coming from someone that has no problem just M1'ing down people on a slow killer, back when Trickster blades were useless per investment put into them. Note the minimal devious score.
The birds also tell survivors you're coming so unless you're being cheeky just avoid them altogether and M1 them down. It's faster and more effective.
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I also find her to be far stronger than average. She kills loops with ease. And if they see the dire crow get placed, unless the next loops is real close, she's gonna gain distance.
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Honestly I think it's a matter of L2P. Swarming with 1 bird and then using 3 to injure is strong af.
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In this scenario you have used your killer ability twice, with one of those times being a full charge to get an injure on a single survivor. At minimum you're putting 20 seconds of investment into that maneuver, assuming you land your crows. It takes 80 seconds to complete a generator.
So now you've got an injured survivor and you fire off three more crows and down them. 20 more seconds. Now you've got to go hook them. ~10 seconds. Now you've got to go find other survivors. Might be fast if you use your crows to scout.
If it was an add on sure, but this is your ability. If I hit you with a giant bird head you need to be injured. I'll let the flock of crows just swarming you pass though since cross map shenanigans are kinda cheeky. Looking at you Huntress.
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The thing is that Artist has a way more reliable long range ability than Huntress. Sure she will take time to down survivors sometimes, but what other killers besides Nurse, Spirit and Blight can down survivors faster?
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Hag.
Plague.
Spirit.
The biggest thing I'm finding with Artist is that people just prefer to leave loops against her the second I plant crows, and even faking it gives me a substantial slowdown and by the time I've caught up, they are at a safe loop and the process begins again.
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I'd argue the survivors with one hit downs Hillbilly/Leatherface/Myers etc but I get what ya mean. I'll be on the look out to see what other people are doing with her. Who knows. I've seen some players carefully lining up crows so they hit after the invincibility for the survivor wears off so maybe we'll get a golf announcer for the Artist soon. Art is a pretty peaceful profession.
Golf announcer: The artist is lining up the shot, it looks like she's judging the wind to see which way the survivor will run after getting swarmed. Here at the major league golfing club we take pride in our well lined up shots. Ah. There she goes. It looks like she got an injure.
*muted golf clap from the audience*
Golf announcer: It looks like that shot had a 32.3333% chance of landing. Repeating of course.
Oni screams and runs in: LEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY.
*Golf announcer drops mic and the feed stops.*
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you'll have more luck getting those damaged states if you use hands (not an insult, I mean the addon)
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It's been like a day.
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But all the content creators and the forum told me she was extremely OP S tier with more potential than the Nurse!
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The Artist is strong, but nothing is stronger than family
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Sure.
Which is why my post title wasn't 'The Artist Needs A Buff'.
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After about 100 games with her. She's actually really not very good. Giant maps remove her. Any map with a decent tile connector (so basically all of them) invalidate her power.
Being able to sprint while removing crows is unacceptable. Her nerf from PTB to live ruined her actual anti loop.
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Seems better than full 80 second chases where three gens pop.
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I don't even mind that you can remove crows while sprinting because it prevents from you doing other actions and the moment you stop it resets the progress. It's just the time it take to remove crows just BARELY gives you enough time to fire a second one off if you've used one crow. The most annoying part is that smarter survivors will just jump into lockers to dispell the crows earlier than they should making long range attacks almost impossible.
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Definitely not weak. She's actually pretty strong.
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Plague without her Corrupt is still a M1 killer, and COH makes me question if Hag is even B tier nowadays.
The thing about Artist is that she's not a set up killer. You're not supposed to be planting crows in every pallet because obviously survivors are just going to run away. Think of her as a Huntress instead, and use single Crows to get Swarms, and all 3 to guarantee hits.
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That was a 10/10 comment, made my night lol. She's been out for like a day, so people will eventually figure out her strongest playstyle. Just like it took a while to figure Pinhead's playstyle is going for the box when possible.
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I've been doing okay as Hag vs CoH. The way it plays out is I hit them, they run and they hit another trap and I down them.
Plague can mow down entire teams with corrupt, and without it, you're an permanent instakiller with wallhacks thanks to her iri.
That's exactly how I play her, the problem being that she loses a lot of speed and crows are ridiculously easy to juke.
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Was expecting you to say "hot" or some other word used to describe someone as attractive.
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You are not wrong shes kinda disappointing in high mmr.. survivors learned to play against her really fast. Shes below a huntress in a tier list.
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that sounds very low tier but i think same as pyramid head...4.6 with viable ranged attack can't be weak
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Did they teabag you?
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She isn't weak. Crow lady isn't the best killer in the game, but she's not bad at all. She is pretty good if played correctly.
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The only thing she does good is scare people from loops. But there are many loops in a map and most of them connect to each other..
Truth is, she's only good on paper, on practice she's that old grumpy grandma who don't want the children to play in her yard.
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She's still new, so I could be wrong. She does seem strong to me, though. Definitely isn't weak.
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Man PTB really is worthless, isn't it? Day of PTB everyone including content creators screamed she was amazing, super strong, possibly S tier, needs serious toning down etc. Then she releases and now everyone is saying she's terrible. Then again, people have said that about every character released in the past 2 years.
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Not terrible. About on par with Cenobite - a bit stronger base, a bit weaker addons.
Just - people were going on about her like she was a Nurse with a Pyramid Head in each hand.
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Because she requires more than a day to learn. It's like picking up a character in street fighter and expecting to be mastering every tech and combo with them in an hour. People are so quick to scream "KILLER BAD" on every killer, especially the ones intentionally made harder to learn and that require you to learn them. It's like people expect every killer to be Spirit. Not just in power but in blatant ease of use. The same people I've had tell me artist is bad seem to be the same people who tell me Nem zombies don't do anything and Cenobite is bad because of his posessed chains.
If she was on par with Cenobite pre-nerf then I'd consider her A tier at least. If we're talking post nerf then maybe C
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Strat Ive found thats very effective is to place a crow and shoot it out almost immediately to swarm them, then I wait the 6 second cool down and place the 3 crows in the general direction of the survivor, this works most of the time
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I wouldn't say everyone is saying she is terrible. People like me have realised that she has more counterplay than we thought after ptb, which is a good thing. But I feel like most people still agree that she is actually pretty strong.
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She's good until people realize that they can shake the swarm off really fast while evading you, and the cooldown is just a bit too mean to really allow her to regularly chain them into damage.
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She had crow mines in the ptb and now she doesn't
That is a huge difference in power
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Okay so I sat down and put my game face on. Her power is good at keeping tabs on survivors trying to mindgame you behind walls but as far as a downing tool it's only possible if they've really goofed or over committed to their loop. Gotta go up and give them the old razzle dazzle the old fashioned way.
Some survivors are reliant on their power (Huntress, Nurse, etc.)
Some are not. Artist is not. As a tool it's fine, as main method of attack...nah.
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I have been playing iridescent head Huntress and infinite Tier 3 Myers ever since these boon perks were introduced. You just have to be a serious threat from the second game starts otherwise survivors finish 1 or 2 gens and are ready to do some butt dance or clicky clicky before you make your way to the first gen lol
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It works only with add-ons, otherwise you don't have time to do it. Repel is faster.
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That means those survivors didn't repel asap, or you forced them to vault / drop pallet (which is not always possible).
You need add-ons to do it. It's not possible with base-kit.
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Ive been doing it base kit and Im pretty sure they were repelling as soon as possible considering Id only see their aura for a very brief moment, if at all. Because Im pretty sure if you hold M1 you immediately start repelling and it doesnt show the aura
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She is weak your right
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She needs buffs
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Does anyone know why she sometimes takes a health state off you when she hits you with her birds even though you didn’t have birds on you yet? I don’t really understand her power yet
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Repel = 8s.
CD after 1 crow = 5s
Time before spawning crow = 1s
Time before firing = 1s
CD between summons = 0,5s
5+1+1+0,5+0,5 = 8s
Problem is that you also have travel time, so you just don't have time to do all 3. You might be able to do 2 crows, if you are fast enough.
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Then she will actually suck.
3 crows will be used only for detection to find survivors, but you will be limited to 1 crow in chase, which is just not hard to dodge.
It's kinda funny that she doesn't have time to use 3 crows, but then you have purple add-on for extra crow, like I have time for that...
What would be interesting is to make her movement speed slower after firing crows, so she is more punished for missing, but make her CD lower, so she can actually use all her crows, or at least 2 for first shot.
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I feel the same. Her 1v4 isn't that good imo. You see them across the map but then what? They repel and you wasted your power. Her 1v1 also isn't that good due to how hard she gets countered by ShiftW
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People saying she has potential of being 3rd strongest killer....if mastered that is. So we can ask ourselves how strong is she in 2 months when people know how to play her.
Remember Blight was considered much weaker at release too
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