I miss when people played freddy

I don't see how Freddy has weakened because of MMR. While I don't see him being played as often as before, this might simply be due to so many new killers having been released since then, thus providing variety in choice. When I play him, I don't feel particularly weak. He can still teleport to gens at will, providing pressure unlike any other Killer in the game. His loop game is pretty strong when survivors are in the dream state and mind-gaming in this state makes him also very unpreditacble.

"Fun" builds is such a bad argument though. Huntress is endless popular and the most interesting thing she's got is slightly faster wind up time.

Blight has plenty of add ons that do interesting things, but people only use the two most broken ones, regardless of how many "fun" builds he has.

Same for Nurse. No good Nurse needs add ons to win every match, but when was the last time you saw a Nurse running the weird and interesting things they added for her like blinking back to where you started? Nah, they all just run lower fatigue etc, not because they're "fun," but because they're just bluntly strong with no downside.

I agree Freddy's add ons are boring as hell and most would never have a significant impact on a match, but his power is still incredibly good and especially his teleport synergises with already strong perks better than nearly any killer in the game. Yes, a lot of add ons are based around skill checks, but that's not because they want to punish mistakes, it's because failing a skill check is meant to be an option to wake up, they just made the mistake of making too many ways to wake up without any real penalty that nobody uses the option.

Hell, my main killers are Plague and Pig. I never use add ons on Plague unless I have a difficult tome challenge, and on Pig I only really use brown and yellow add ons anyway. I also never used to run add ons on Deathslinger when he was still in the game. It's very possible to be good at most killers regardless of their add ons by just being good with their power. The reason people aren't playing Freddy isn't that his add ons are dull, it's that he's not hands-down brokenly OP any more and they want their free wins, so they jumped ship to Spirit, and probably hopped off her when she got toned down and moved on to Blight or something.

I found him really interesting to play when he first came out, he was weak but I had fun playing him and his kit was really inspired. Now he is strong but I just find his ability uninteresting.

Freddy right now is the equivalent of stale bread. Old Freddy was fun though

I solo main Freddy at what I believe is a relatively high level and can tell you a few reasons why you probably don't see him more.

1. His addons are pretty much garbage. Outside of Red Paint Brush, Masterpiece and occasionally black box, they are way too weak now.
2. Unless you are using Red Paint Brush, he has no anti-loop at the beginning of the game (nor does he have his teleport unless you use a specific well timed trick to get it faster).
3. The impact of waking up lasts way too long. 90 seconds of dream world immunity again renders your anti-loop powerless for extended periods of time.

No offense to the originally poster but I don't understand these kinds of threads. Survivors complain to get a killer nerfed. Said killer gets nerfed and then people say "why don't we see x killer anymore?". The answer is simple, because the killer got nerfed to the point where they are no longer interesting to use (which is really what I believe a lot of survivors actually want to happen - for the killer to not be played anymore lol).

Old Freddy I miss. The reworked one is just a bore.

I tried but find him very boring to play as.

And I can barely see in dream world on some maps.

I think he's still powerful, the nerf didn't do much to him power-wise other than making him even more boring to play as.

Imagine interact with the survivor in order to interact with the survivor. That's basically what old Freddy was with people only remembering positive flukes, it was terrible.

No matter how much I hate his current power, I would never give up on my precious Nightmare :)

And yes, we will get our killer back. Whatever it takes.

I promise you that.

Honestly...I don't know.

I never use Snares and Fake Pallets are mostly useless, so there were countless trials where I didn't get to see those animations in the first place.

From what I remember of them...they are indeed a bit weird and unpolished when compared to other DBD animations, but that could be just me...well, us.

I sure don't miss the guy. OG Freddy was just an M1 killer with built in slowdown and an obnoxious wait time between hits. Rework Freddy was basically just a poor mans Clown with mobility and obnoxious slowdown if you built around that (Forever Freddy). Current Freddy is just a worse version of rework Freddy. So what is there to miss exactly?

Well bhvr gave him showdown when putting down pools which weren't even that strong to really justify it in the first place, gutted his only useful addons, and even nerfed a gimmick build with pallets.

Not saying all the changes be got were bad since the bt change was good. But everything else on top of that was a bit too much.

He's noticeably weaker against good survivors and doesn't have much going for him outside of his base power so it's really easy to see why killers opt for other killers instead.

It's what happens when devs nerf every aspect of a killer because of survivor complaints, killers stop playing them.

If there was one really good thing about freddy, it was the sense of atmosphere you would get when being pulled into the dream world.

It's a laugh to see people say they barely nerfed him or that he's still just as good as he was before. Classic case of people who've never actually played him before.

1) They removed his slowdown addons completely, thereby eliminating his ability to lengthen games to a point where he can get momentum going.

2) They reduced the number of snares and pallets you can place by 40%, making his ability less useful at detecting survivors crossmap (as you'll typically overwrite the old ones in chases now)

3) They added a slow down on using his power, making it far less viable to actually lay traps as your're chasing someone, slows down his area-trapping initial set-up, and most importantly makes the feeling of using his power worse overall.

4) They put a bonus immunity on the alarm clocks, making it so that if a survivor wakes up with one, they are immune to his powers for a futher 30 seconds. That moves his passive sleep to 90 seconds (a 50% player buff), as well as making you immune to going to sleep by being hit, which means he effectively has no chase power if you're using alarm clocks.

And, hilariously, the thing that survivors were MOST complaining about was his teleport-to-gens power, which wasn't touched.

So, effectively, they made his worse at 1v1, slower, less able to play with his power freely, and gave survivors extended windows to just turn off the killer's power completely (once again, putting the killer's power in the hands of the survivors instead of the killer player). It was a tone deaf nerf that missed the whole point and killed both his viability as well as throttling the fun you can get just by playing him.

And THAT'S why you don't see Freddy much anymore. And your queues are longer. Because why should killer powers be fun and rewarding to use?

I play him a bit and have found paintbrush is a solid add on but the rest seem a bit meh. I thought the black box sounded interesting, like catching out people who 99 a gate but it didn't seem to work. Also dream pallets sound good but I feel they should be reworked into his base kit. Like broken pallets are just passively replaced with dream ones when people are asleep, kind of like illusionary pallets for doctor. What do you think he needs to liven him up?