http://dbd.game/killswitch
Scott and Mathieu are heros lmao
Maybe we should play civilization?
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Some people really ought to.
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I cannot believe this clip is being trotted out again.
The man was just right, this clip isn't the slam dunk anyone thinks it is, not even for a sarcastic joke like this.
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god bless matyou ceto
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Kinda sad we would even need a content creator to tell us this, even though it was a sound argument to begin with.
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I get the video is funny but what Cote said is right. If your getting angry over this game stop playing play another game.
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Honestly some people should play Civ5, or better yet get a life.
Kind of sad when they are constantly complaining about a game they supposedly hate, but are on it every single day.
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I don't think it's that simple.
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As consumers of the game we are allowed to complain about a product we own
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It really is.
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It is, though.
If it's really such constant agony to play, stop playing it.
It's probably what you'd recommend to anyone playing anything else that they seem to have an awful time with.
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Mathieu is an absolute legend
He was right. Play this game in moderation and it's not nearly the stressfull experience people are saying it is.
Most of the frustrations in this game are self-induced. Fueled by buildup frustrations of all the games before.
It's just general good advice in general. Our brains need time to progress things. A lot of the times the best solutions to a problem is to just step away from it a bit and let it simmer.
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No, it is not.
When DBD works, it really works. It's an incredible concept. However, I'd say it only "works" 10-20% of the time. The other 80% is you chasing that feeling of it "working."
This makes it difficult to quit because you know the game can be great and a ton of fun.
Also, many of us have played for thousands of hours and the sunk-cost fallacy is a #########.
Finally, if you get tired of Apex Legends, you can go play any other number of Battle Royale games to fill that spot whilst still being noticeably distinct and unique, but not so far from the "Battle Royale Formula" that your skills don't transfer. However, if you get tired of DBD, you can play......DBD? There are no real alternatives. If you want to quit DBD, you are quitting the asymmetrical horror genre entirely. You have no other options.
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Here's my question: Are you playing this game in moderation because you are the sort of person who eventually gets frustrated over time, or are you playing this game in moderation because playing this game for too long causes the issues of the game to pile up the frustration?
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Sounds like an abusive relationship.
"It's usually pretty bad, but sometimes it's great, so if I stick around long enough things will hopefully get better"
It just sound like justifying the addiction. Either you have the self-responsibility to quit when you're clearly miserable or you don't.
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He's wrong though. The question asked if anything was going to be done to improve the game experience for killers. There should have been a list of upcoming changes or at least some canned response about always monitoring the game blah blah blah. But instead he reinforced what everyone feels anyway: we don't care much about the killer role, so either play the role we do care about or don't play at all.
You can even see the look on Not_Queen's face. She wasn't pleased with that answer at all, which leads me to believe that there are members of BHVR that don't agree with the direction and balance of the game, but the people in charge won't listen to them either.
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This is the problem with this community, the people that complain and the people that just say "stop bitching and play something else if you hate the game so much"
I don't know how much it needs to be said for people to get it threw their head that people complain about this game because they love it and they want it to be better. Criticizing a game doesn't me you hate it, and to think otherwise is foolish.
There are people that complain just for the sake of it, don't get me wrong, but to use that as an excuse to disregard actually valid complaints is stupid
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He's actually not wrong! See, the question wasn't just asking if something was going to be done to improve the game experience for killers- it was a long list of extremely whiny complaints. Even if you agree with them, there's no denying that the tone was a very emotional one, and that is not something you want to encourage as a game lead.
Can you imagine how utterly miserable the state of discourse surrounding this game would be if all the ranting got reinforced by the developers themselves? That'd be a nightmare.
On top of that, he was still completely right. If Killer is frustrating you, take a break. That's completely separate from balance issues, that's going to be the case even in balanced games and the thing you need to hear when that happens is to take a break. Period.
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Just some people were foolish and jumped to their own narrative. First time I saw this clip I just saw it as sound advice and common sense - couldn't see how it could have been logically misinterpreted.
For all the faults, this is a great game, and the real, painful factor that makes this game unenjoyable is mainly the minority of players who make it horrid for others: the hackers, BM'ers, whingers, etc.. And what makes this more scary is this will affect any game. VHS, Friday 13th, Prop Night, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, whatever - all of those games will have the same problem with no exception. And yes, developers can take steps tp reduce this, but ultimately players have to take responsibility.
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Nobody said you aren’t allowed to complain.
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Well i am playing the game in moderation because of my low attention span but i get what you are saying.
I'm not denying the game is frustrating. Cause it is. It's specifically designed to get tense moments. You always barelly get hit or barelly don't get the hit. Mistakes are punished harshly. Bad first chase as killer is usually an autoloss. Bad chase as survivor and you always have the chance of getting camped or farmed by teammates and not have a game at all.
But when you ask people who are superfrustrated you often hear stories of having 4 hour gaming sessions and already raging 30 minutes in. Then is it really a surprise they get frustrated?
I have played a lot of frustrating games in the past and i've found that after taking a break after a frustrating event is really important. Even a 15 minute break of doing anything else after a bad match can make so much difference.
If you are frustrated you will make mistakes. Those mistakes will make you more frustrated. It's a self-feeding cycle
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Yikes, so many fan boys in this thread
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Fanboys of... who? Scott, or the guy in the clip?
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Perhaps.
I think it's good advice to quit something you hate, but saying it's simple is simply wrong.
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The game director.
This is old news and it's only being brought up as a joke, but his statement was trash and shouldn't be defended.
Saying people "hate" the game for criticizing it, they should "get a life" and "go play something else".
This is what you people sound like
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Nah. It is old news, that's why you're seeing people get a little annoyed- it was true at the time, it's true now, it's not stopped being true between those two time points.
Less being a fanboy of the game director, more having the history of this tired, incorrect old meme as context to the response, making it a bit more critical.
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exactly someone who didn't understand what he was saying and is just twisting it in something negative.
He did not say "if you hate the game so much play something else"
What he said was that if you're frustrated, playing something else for like a week can help.
Which is 100% true. That's not even fanboying. It really should be common sense.
If you are warming your hands on a fire and you get too close to the point of burning yourself you'll also pull your hand away for a bit instead of pushing it deeper in the fire.
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I didn't see it the way you did. How could anyone have possibly misconstrued this statement?
Maybe Mr. Cote meant it in a nice and helpful way, but when the question asks "Do you have any plans or ideas on how you would like to improve the Killer experience?" and you respond with "Maybe try Survivor for a bit or play something else for a week" it doesn't look great.
Here's the link, just in case you don't believe me:
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This clip actually relates to me a lot. I went on like a 3 month break recently but ever since I came back I’m enjoy it again. This game like any multiplayer competitive game require time off
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It is simple.
The door's right there. The game's feelings won't be hurt, it hasn't sunk addictive chemicals into your bloodstream, and nothing stops you from coming back when things are actually better.
Right click, uninstall, confirm.
The only hitch in this process is people turning themselves right back around after convincing themselves otherwise because they don't actually hate the game as much as they say they do.
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The quotes I was using were from people in this thread, not the person in the clip.
Look at what some of the people have wrote in this very thread defending this jackass statement by Matt.
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So are we just completely ignoring how I explained why it is not that simple?
Because if we are, that's fine.
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Yeah, but most consumers stop using that product they own and move on to a new one.
Not complain about it for the next two years AND still use the product. Makes 0 sense.
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The problem isn't people criticizing it, it is how they go about it.
Saying "Game sucks nerf this and that" just because YOU can't deal with it, doesn't make it a balance issue. It just means you need to get better at the game.
Not everyone who complains about this game... loves this game. If I see an immature/boderline troll post I am going to assume you either have no forum feedback etiquette or just simply love to complain.
My point is usually when people do not like something they move ON to something else. Which is appropriate measure when you think of the number of people who constantly posts about how this game is putting their mental health at risk.
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Nope, I fully acknowledged them.
The process is simple and can be done in probably about 5 seconds, but we're good at talking very simple processes into being incredibly complicated.
Been there. I played League for a good, long time-- and holy god was it awful. 1 in 10 matches were fun, the rest consisted of me entering constant bouts of adolescent rage that left me fuming the whole day.
Oh, I had plenty of excuses. I've played for hundreds of hours, I've unlocked so many champions, I've spent money on the game, I have friends who play and ask to play with me, the good matches were actually fun, the other MOBAs weren't interesting or were too intense for me.. but overall, it was a fun negative. Actually made my days worse. Took a minute, but I eventually realized the game was genuinely making me miserable.
Right click, uninstall, confirm. Never had a problem with it since.
My excuses were pretty dumb. About as dumb as anyone else's excuses for playing something they hate-- unless you don't actually hate it as much as you say, and you're just showboating. Which is even dumber.
I didn't have much sympathy for me, and I don't have much sympathy for anyone else struggling with the three-step process. Have the self-responsibility to walk away, or stop complaining so loud when you grab BHVR's fist and slam it into your own face.
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Its because people including me are extremely passionate about this game. We want to see it succeed
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No, the question was “I’m feeling very stressed playing killer and I’m not enjoying it like I used to. What are your plans to improve the killer experience.” Cote answered under that context of the questioner being stressed and giving advice to take a break from killer since they’re feeling that way. It wasn’t simply a question about plans for killers with no other context, it had a multi-sentence preamble about being stressed and burned out on killer.
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That's fine, but then don't use the "consumer being unhappy with the product" metaphor because it doesn't work here.
As I said, most "consumers" unhappy with products stop using said product. Leave a bad review and move on.
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And he ignored the part that actually asked the question.
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The question was essentially “I get stressed playing killer. What are you going to do to make me less stressed?” And the answer to being less stressed is “take a break”.
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This thread is exactly why killer is so stale and homogenous...
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Reminds me of this cringe stuff.
Blizzard doing there best to crap on Diablo fans.
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Thats fine for those people but they clearly dont care for the game as much as people like me with thousands of hours.
My point is that most people still complain because they want the game to do better. We're passionate about this game and we've sunk too many hours to just leave it.
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That is not how I interpreted it.
I saw "Killer can be very stressful, do you have any plans to improve the overall experience?"
Is that not the question many are still asking today?
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Isn't that like...
Almost Every Multiplayer Game...?
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I mean it's common sense? I've quit plenty of games where I just wasn't having a fun time anymore rainbow six siege is my biggest example that game has been a pile of ######### for 3 years
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Honestly, the problem with that clip is he just gave the "maybe it's on you" advice. The problem is, there are obviously a lot of people--just look at this forum--who aren't frustrated to the point of needing a break, but would still agree with the sentiment (that Killer is stressful) and would like to know if anything is going to be done about it. Implicit in the questioning is "will anything QoL or otherwise be done for Killers?"
And which part of the question you're looking at is going to change your view on it entirely.
(This, of course, is why you should always try to formulate answers for common questions in advance of any interview)
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I quit Apex after 2k hours in it. It was slowly but surely eating on my sanity.
Never felt better after that, and started playing DBB even tho I spent a lot of money on skins and time on badges in Apex.
Sometimes you just need to let go if you are not having fun.
I complain about some thing in DBD but after 1300 hours I still have fun playing it. Theres just so many things to still learn and builds to try out.
So I will stay for time being
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Well it does says alot obout the game if tells you to play a different game. all jokes aside, he was just tireed of hearing the same old complains, imagine whats it like for us complaining all this time and see nothing beeing done.
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It can be misconstrued because of how the individual was feeling at the time they heard it. It was simple advice that if you are getting frustrated with anything you take a break for a while. People who have a bias against them will see it as some sort of slight against a player base, but they've allowed emotion to cloud their judgement - hence why people take snippets and create their own narrative.
I've seen the video and it's still very clear to me there was no insult in it. If someone is getting frustrated at getting past a boss in a game and someone advises for them to take a break from the game, it would be extremely odd behaviour for the person struggling to think the other is patronising them when they are just seeing things from a logical perspective and offering sage advice.
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Is it that bad to complain about stuff that get changed in a game that you have played over 4years, where i used to be able to play day long with à lot of fun, while seing it slowly get mushed into a boring game/gameplay, until the point where i dont even wanna play more then à fiew hours ?
I love this game, but what the devs are doing with it... what BHVR is doing with it, isnt going in the right direction for me
The game was at its best shape 2-3 years ago (around the 2nd and 3d anniversary)
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