So Pingu is the first LGBT killer?
Chatterer and Crypt TV dont count, so I suppose this one is "The One"?
Not familiar with Ring at all, but from what I hear Sadako being intersex is more so a Book thing than a movie thing? Either way, still cool!
I just wasnt expecting it to be this person, I thought for sure itd have been an Original Killer
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Pingu?
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How do Chatterer and CryptTV not count but Sadako would??
and we still have confirmation for an original LGBTQ+ character, created with consulting from GaymerX
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Look at how violent, gay, and violently gay he is.
(/j)
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Because those aren't actual people on the games roster. Sadako is Sadako but Chatterer is really Pinhead.
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uhm. Okay… but legendary skins are exactly meant to be additional characters that just don’t bring their own perks….
also we don’t even know if they will actually introduce the book version or the version from the movie. And I bet there will be people saying Sadako wouldn’t count as well because licensed characters don’t count 🤷♂️
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Well if you're counting a licensed Killer as the first one, then I don't see why the Chatterer and CryptTV killers wouldn't count.
If your argument is about the first non-legendary skin Killer, then she still wouldn't be the first. Freddy Krueger has been in the game for four years.
EDIT: Since people are misconstruing my comment, let me clarify. I did not say Kreuger is 'representation' (good or otherwise), I said he's an LGBT+ character who has been in the game for years. I've mentioned before that this fact is pretty gross to think about (can't find the comment in my post history though, so I'm thinking the original post was deleted which isn't a surprise), but it is a fact.
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No, please don’t. Freddy Krueger is explicitly not representative for the LGBTQ+ community. At all.
edit because of your edit: No it is not a fact that Feeddy is LGBT. There is nothing in the movie or lore supporting this. All we know is that he is implied to be a pedophile which is a significant difference to being LGBT
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I would pay good money for a Pingu killer skin
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Is Freddy LGBT? Never seen the remake Movie.
I know he abused Quentin but sexual history=/=sexual preference, and child predators tend to take what they can get so to speak so I'm skeptical that hea actually LGBT.
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I really really feel you should have added something to designate a spoiler here for those who haven't read the books. It's kinda a big plot point in the book (mind you, also portrayed in a really negative way) and is not discussed in the movies at all.
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We are not including Freddy at all and to anyone who does, please reevaluate everything because Freddy is not representation.
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Intersex isn't LGBT. Some intersex are LGBT.
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please do not count the pedophile as lgbt rep
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This.
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Body is 1 Queer Penguin too short.
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Trickster? lol
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MEEP ######### MEEP SURVIVORS!!!
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Can we not involve religions and orientation in games please.
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Trickster's sexuality isn't confirmed nor hinted to in any way.
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True, let's remove Plague's religious beliefs, any mentions of ANY romantic relationship in all of the lore, and say goodbye to any possible Nun or other religiously-influenced horror killer, despite the fact that religion plays a huge role in an entire subset of horror movies and games.
Great take, chief.
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Too late, already happened in DbD.
and why should this be limited either way? No harm is done if representation isn’t implemented stereotypical harmful… @GoodBoyKaru can give you a link to a very good thesis on this
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There is nothing confirmed about Trickster being LGBTQ+ or not.
lol
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There's so many things wrong with this.
1) LGBT+ representation is coming, and has been confirmed many many times over.
2) There's already straight relationship representation, and so why is it only a problem with gay relationship representation?
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I dont think they said there was any problem with it being represented. They mentioned things not being mentioned in general, not just LGBT.
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Orientation has been explained often enough, but religion is also a thing in DbD.
With my very limited knowledge of Silent Hill, I do recall it having religious themes, with one line in Chery's bio IN DBD even directly mentioning the big man himself.
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And the great news is we're just fighting for equality at this point so we either delete the lore starting from Nurse or we accept that representation matters to people even if it doesn't to you personally and accept that it exists.
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tbf that could be a chapter.
Survivor: Pingu
Killer: Walrus
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Ok i dk exactly, but about plag it just said a religious killer,and thats it. Wdym it happen? Where is freddy real lore? About what he did, about his birth huh? Why isnt he named freddy the phe...... What gender is demo then can u verify it?
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I dont see any issue with deleting the lore related to relationships or adding more lore related to LGBT issues. I think you just didn't get what that poster was saying.
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considering their comment just above yours i fear my initial interpretation may have been closer to the truth
also my use of "you" didn't mean you, user Marigoria, but was in general- if that wasn't clear, i wanted to clear it up ^^
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This is Freddy from the remake. In the remake it was implied that he was a p*do yes, but never directly mentioned, same as in the dbd lore.
I'm also pretty sure demo's gender was never mentioned in ST.
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Read this on why representation matters:
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sorry i wouldve posted it sooner but i didn't wanna double tag and seem rude
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K-Pop/Flamboyance = LGBTQIA+, don't you know? /s
-sigh-
What has the world become...
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NOOT NOOT!
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Ugh of course. How could I have forgotten that.
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You laugh but....welcome to your chinese overlords where certain things in that realm get banned....and it isn't even just china that bans it.
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This thread is suddenly giving conspiracy vibs. But I gotta give credit, at least its not the ######### storm that was trickster and lgbt+ represention.
Anyways...
#globalwarmingisamyth
#earthisflat
#aintgettingthevax
#thequeenisalizard
Did I forget anything?
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The mods seeing yet another forum thread with ‚LGBT‘ in the title:
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the mods when people are still against lgbt rep and somehow make it about the chinese government
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WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PICTURE OF ME FROM???
Stop spying on me Mooks!
Seriousness for a minute - as I already know which way this thread will go otherwise. We're having representation in DbD, it's being worked on with GaymerX, representation is important to many, many people, and if it's not important to you - great, am happy for you. But nobody doubt why representation is important to others on this thread - you can read back through the many threads we've had on this forum and that will help you understand why representation is so important - and also the link put by Mooks, that explains it better than I can.
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It's 12 in the morning and I just saw this photo...
I think I'll browse the forums a while longer since I'm not sleeping for at least 30 minutes now. 🤣
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I fear you may have to just make the last part a copy paste, especially when we get to June
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Thing is, being part of and being representation of are different thing. You have a ton of christian pastors who dont represent the religion, but are still christian. You have police officers who dont represent the police force, but were still part of the force untill they were released of their duty.
Let alone that plenty of killers on this roster have done horrible acts that should not represent anything.
Freddy is LGBT, by our own definition. That doesnt mean he represents it.
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No Freddy is not LGBT. He is a pedophile, which is not a sexual orientation but a paraphilia (psychological disorder).
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Oh, that too, but one doesnt exclude the other.
As for pedophilia being a sexual orientation or not is somewhat up for debate, because its not something they choose or have control over(by our definition of sexual orientation, it would check all marks).
The biggest reason we call it a disorder is because the person of interest cannot legally or morally consent. And acting upon it is an irrational, immoral and illegal decision.
So again, one doesnt exclude the other here. Just because you personally do not agree with a position, doesnt mean its not true.
As for putting pedophillia into lgbt, no, no one would, neither would zoophillia. As LGBT contains all non-heterosexual orientations involving consenting adults. But you can be LGBT and paraphillic at the same time, they are not necessarily mutually exclusive(some are, ofcourse).
"There is no scientific consensus for any precise border between unusual sexual interests and paraphilic ones."
Now, if we're talking social consensus, it's a different topic entirely. But by social consensus, homophillia was considered paraphillia not that long ago either. Which is why I personally dont really go by social consensus on topics like this. Because any argument today against paraphillia are either exactly like or extremely similar to arguments held against homophillia. Doesnt mean its any less or more true, mind you, just that its not really a solid floor to stand on.
Quick edit: mods are free to cut it off here entirely, this topic has spanned out quite far beyond its origin and starts very heavily bending to the point of breaking some community rules here.
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I was always scared of him when I was a child lol
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One doesn’t exclude the other may very well be true. But all we know about Freddy is him being a implied to be a pedophile. And thus he is not part of LGBTQ+ as far as we know.
and it’s not only my personal take. The LGBTQ+ community has distanced itself from including pedophilia and other paraphilia.
also I might have a different definitions of sexual orientation here than you and i don’t know if there is an official one… but pedophilia should definitely not be called a sexual orientation imo.
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Can we have a Pinga Alternate Survivor skin? Or is she too Young for the entity?
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You guys chose a bad company for ‘LGBT representation’ tbh. It’s just gonna be over the top media stereotype representation :/
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