How to combat toxic SWFs?

@SadonicShadow said:

@Morfedel said:
The title pretty much says it all. How do you combat toxic SWF groups?

Play nurse.

Play Spirit, bring Rancor and an Ebony Mori=Profit.

@Morfedel said:
The title pretty much says it all. How do you combat toxic SWF groups?

First step, Franklins, no more toxic flashlights. Second Step, force altruism and punish it by playing a character that can quickly injure survivors and extend the duration of altruism via heal reductions etc.

3rd Step, add in as many extra objectives as you can even if it means slugging, force them to communicate with skills like knockout.

4th step, always account for the odd man out thats not dead, IE skills like thano which slow down the guy you didn't count on and slow his gen progress, even just a little bit.

5th step, if you know they're gonna be a hassle, carry an early game mori and shut one of their team mates out early. What else are you gonna use them for? Really......

6th step, pick a killer who can handle more than one survivor at a time. Pig Traps, Doctor aura, Legion bleed outs, Trapper map coverage, Hag. Learn to multitask, never get tunnel vision.

One thing to add ignore the gens on the most outer corners of the map, let them have those early since that just funnels them into a more manageable area to control. On large maps this is crucial since it's less to patrol and you can focus on the middle gens that're moe open.

But you also want to threaten them on the out ones if you're a high mobility counter just to keep them honest but also give them a good scare and keep them wary.

@powerbats said:
One thing to add ignore the gens on the most outer corners of the map, let them have those early since that just funnels them into a more manageable area to control. On large maps this is crucial since it's less to patrol and you can focus on the middle gens that're moe open.

But you also want to threaten them on the out ones if you're a high mobility counter just to keep them honest but also give them a good scare and keep them wary.

This works for sure.

Played a Trapper game on Yamaoaka Estate.

I let them have the gens down the bottom near the house i had like 1 hook with 2 gens left which left them with only the ones up the shack end.

I laced the area with traps and refused to chase into the area with the gens completed, slowly but surely they all got trapped and hooked, was a long game but satisfying.

Morfedel said:

The title pretty much says it all. How do you combat toxic SWF groups?

Morfedel said:

Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

By not dodging them.

how is that in any way helpful? 

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
Rebel_Raven said:

Morfedel said:

Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

By not dodging them.

how is that in any way helpful? 

They expect you to keep playing SWFs blindly, and take the abuse until you "git gud" enough to beat them.

I mean, I can see their point, but on the other hand, if a person plays casually, or doesn't have an SWF killer loadout ready, or some such, there is absolutely no reason to buy into that advice and have a miserable time.
Don't get me wrong. Basically if you aren't some hard core gamer, play this game a shitton, are casual, etc. It is some of the most useless advice ever. Odds are good that line of thought is wasted on them.

Either that or they're just desperate to have people vs them without owning up to why they get dodged, and keep wanting to make excuses and live in denial.

Nice try. I play both sides. Don't try to call me a survivor main because @Vietfox and @HeroLives can confirm I play both. It's true what I said. The more you practice, the better you will get, as with everything else in life.

 I personally use impossible Skillcheck Doctor or Spirit to combat SWF and it works 98% of the time for me. It obviously won't be everyone else's cup of tea, but I like it.

I don't usually resort to calling anyone an anything main.

You'll notice the part where I basically agreed with you, yeah? If you put in the time, and effort, of course you'll get better.

Unfortunately the people that are trying to get better have to compete with people they have no business being in the same trial as they are who generally get in the way of the player getting skills, and blood points, and generally being a complete dick. Kinda gets in the way of "getting better."
Soo, yeah. Of course if you practice you'll get better.
Completely ignore the people who don't play as much for whatever reason thus don't get that good.
Ignore the people who don't have enough perks/addons/offerings to combat SWFs regularly.
Lets ignore the people who don't have SWF crushing killers/loadouts.

All that matters is people vs SWF, eh? Screw the casuals. They get bullied. Especially the low rank ones who generally have the bigger target on their backs. The ones SWF take advantage of matchmaking to get. Might even depip to smurf outright.

And I haven't forgotten what your buddy Vietfox, and his homies did to that leatherface.
If that's indicative of how he SWFs, he's the reason people dodge, bluntly. He bullied the LF into scoring less than 10k points and everyone in the group got near max points, IIRC.
If you're part of the SWF that plays like that, you're closer to being part of the problem than not.

SWFs play toxic, and wonder why people dodge them? Really? Or get mad they get dodged? Really? Or stomp the everloving hell out of people mercilessly every chance they get, and wonder why they're resented?

At least, unlike most, you offered some actual tips, and maybe a goal to pray to RNGeezus for. I do appreciate that.
Allow me to supplement your tip. If we're thinking of the same impossible skill check build you can find the build in Monto's youtube channel. Hope ya get a small map.

@Vietfox said:
Rebel_Raven said:

All that matters is people vs SWF, eh? Screw the casuals. They get bullied. Especially the low rank ones who generally have the bigger target on their backs. The ones SWF take advantage of matchmaking to get. Might even depip to smurf outright.

And I haven't forgotten what your buddy Vietfox, and his homies did to that leatherface.

If that's indicative of how he SWFs, he's the reason people dodge, bluntly. He bullied the LF into scoring less than 10k points and everyone in the group got near max points, IIRC.

If you're part of the SWF that plays like that, you're closer to being part of the problem than not.

SWFs play toxic, and wonder why people dodge them? Really? Or get mad they get dodged? Really? Or stomp the everloving hell out of people mercilessly every chance they get, and wonder why they're resented?

@Rebel_Raven
Wait what? We were all rank 1-2, not a single one was a deranker and it was a matchmaking issue.
That leatherface barely got bloodpoints because he was simply a legit rank 18 killer, not because we bullied him.
Last but not least, there are casual players on BOTH sides who get rekt, and we could say the same about derankers. It's not like only survivors do it...
Here's the screenshot:

Never stopped to wonder why the LF was performing that badly. Just had to have your fun, and I still have to wonder how often you'll take advantage of someone like that.
Didn't you also, with a pal, troll someone running TOTH?

You don't really score that high without doing really well. Killers don't do that badly unless they got royally reamed. Put those together and what am I supposed to think?

Yeah, it was a match making issue, but if you generally play that way against anyone?

Yeah, both depip, but here's the thing about killers depipping, not that I condone it, Survivors pretty much always benefit. At least marginally. They get to escape. They get points. Oh, also Killers generally don't use third party apps to get an unfair advantage like Voice chat, or text chat gives to survivors.
Though they do hack, and crap. But that's punishable.
Survivors get to SWF and get matched with people they have no business being in a trial with. Killers don't benefit.
Ran across a thread about survivors taking a killer to task, then DCing at the end to make sure the killer suffers while they depip.

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
Rebel_Raven said:

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Rebel_Raven said:

Morfedel said:



Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

By not dodging them.

how is that in any way helpful? 

They expect you to keep playing SWFs blindly, and take the abuse until you "git gud" enough to beat them.

I mean, I can see their point, but on the other hand, if a person plays casually, or doesn't have an SWF killer loadout ready, or some such, there is absolutely no reason to buy into that advice and have a miserable time.

Don't get me wrong. Basically if you aren't some hard core gamer, play this game a shitton, are casual, etc. It is some of the most useless advice ever. Odds are good that line of thought is wasted on them.

Either that or they're just desperate to have people vs them without owning up to why they get dodged, and keep wanting to make excuses and live in denial.

Nice try. I play both sides. Don't try to call me a survivor main because @Vietfox and @HeroLives can confirm I play both. It's true what I said. The more you practice, the better you will get, as with everything else in life.

 I personally use impossible Skillcheck Doctor or Spirit to combat SWF and it works 98% of the time for me. It obviously won't be everyone else's cup of tea, but I like it.

I don't usually resort to calling anyone an anything main.

You'll notice the part where I basically agreed with you, yeah? If you put in the time, and effort, of course you'll get better.

Unfortunately the people that are trying to get better have to compete with people they have no business being in the same trial as they are who generally get in the way of the player getting skills, and blood points, and generally being a complete dick. Kinda gets in the way of "getting better."

Soo, yeah. Of course if you practice you'll get better.

Completely ignore the people who don't play as much for whatever reason thus don't get that good.

Ignore the people who don't have enough perks/addons/offerings to combat SWFs regularly.

Lets ignore the people who don't have SWF crushing killers/loadouts.

All that matters is people vs SWF, eh? Screw the casuals. They get bullied. Especially the low rank ones who generally have the bigger target on their backs. The ones SWF take advantage of matchmaking to get. Might even depip to smurf outright.

And I haven't forgotten what your buddy Vietfox, and his homies did to that leatherface.

If that's indicative of how he SWFs, he's the reason people dodge, bluntly. He bullied the LF into scoring less than 10k points and everyone in the group got near max points, IIRC.

If you're part of the SWF that plays like that, you're closer to being part of the problem than not.

SWFs play toxic, and wonder why people dodge them? Really? Or get mad they get dodged? Really? Or stomp the everloving hell out of people mercilessly every chance they get?

At least, unlike most, you offered some actual tips, and maybe a goal to pray to RNGeezus for. I do appreciate that.

Allow me to supplement your tip. If we're thinking of the same impossible skill check build you can find the build in Monto's youtube channel. Hope ya get a small map.

Sorry, alot of people on here do tend to resort to the "main" card. When it comes to toxicity, I try my best to avoid it but when the opposing side tries to shove it down my throat, I will fight fire with fire. I will play extra hard and use scummier tactics to ensure the other side doesnt stand a chance.

Also, Fox is chill, he doesn't go out of his way to be toxic either

I agree most do use the "main" card. Not a huge fan of it. I try to give the benefit of the doubt they play on both sides.

I don't like being toxic either. I just want to play some casual games. Be nice. Not camp {unless the gens are done, the survivor -really- wants to be a distraction, or they intentionally run to where there's no hooks), not intentionally tunnel, but I keep running into mixed rank SWFs that I shouldn't be facing, smurfs, etc.
Really makes me wish I had more Moris, or a good build to nail them with. Or the time/energy/drive to get good/get tons of blood points. I've really got none of that.
I feel cheated out of a good time when I get pitted against people gaming the system for an easier time. SWF kinda epitomizes that. Survivors get it easier, and they make it harder on the killer.

Same way on survivor side. I only solo so chat isn't really an issue. Don't even have DS teachable. Yeah, I run, I (try) to loop, and so forth, but I'm just trying to help people get out.
Heck, some times I let myself get sacrificed.
It does suck running into no chill killers. Hard to tell who's depipped or not most times. At least I'm on to the next match quickly.

@Mc_Harty said:
@Rebel_Raven Are you.... ranting that you lost to players that clearly are better then you? And that you don't want to understand how to be better? #########

Are you really okay with rank 8s, 5s, and 2s vsing people that aren't even rank 10? That's not "better," that's #########.
SWF players using some of the biggest crutches in DBD history don't get to talk about skill. Not with me, not to me. That's just solid hypocrisy there.

I don't get where you think I don't "want to understand how to get better."
I completely agree that if you play enough, and practice, you'll get better.

Just wish people understood the concept of casual play.

@Mc_Harty said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Are you really okay with rank 8s, 5s, and 2s vsing people that aren't even rank 10? That's not "better," that's #########.

Ranks really don't mean anything. Play this game long enough and you'll realise that too.

SWF players using some of the biggest crutches in DBD history don't get to talk about skill. Not with me, not to me. That's just solid hypocrisy there.

If they beat you they are clearly better than you.

Sure you can argue that they have crutches, yet every-time I'm able to pay Freddy I somehow manage to make do. Even at high ranks, against SWF. Now how could I do that if I didn't invest the time to learn the game?

I don't get where you think I don't "want to understand how to get better."

Probably where you stated this

Unfortunately the people that are trying to get better have to compete with people they have no business being in the same trial as they are who generally get in the way of the player getting skills, and blood points, and generally being a complete dick. Kinda gets in the way of "getting better."

So you'll forgive me if I'm a bit confused.

I completely agree that if you play enough, and practice, you'll get better.

So practice then. The only hard part about most SWF groups is the end game salt.

So rank 20 is the same as rank 1?
People that can't get passed rank 15 are the same as people who hit rank 1 in 10 hours?
Rank, ideally, shows experience.
If you consistently red rank, you really have no business staying at lower ranks to fight people who just aren't there yet. It's pretty scummy to do that unless you're actively not trying to steamroll people. That goes for killer or survivor.

Nah, they were using gigantic crutches. Don't give a ######### beyond that. The game isn't balanced for sweaty SWFS with comms.
Especially when you don't have a solid arsenal to fight them with.
Skill, or "being better" doesn't get to factor in here. These people are putting the game on easy, then strutting around like they won something.
It doesn't take an extraordinary warrior to see lightning, or hear thunder.

You don't get better getting your teeth kicked in, and wondering what happened, or having a team blab vital info to run circles around you.
Perks, offerings, and addons are pretty necessary for some killers against good people, so having those is a part of getting better. Hard to get those when people come to mess with your BP gains.

You get better when you get to chase, hook, and basically play normally. Gotta learn to crawl before you walk, never mind run.

P.S. Sorry you don't understand that there's people who work, have lives, have finite stamina, etc. that can't just sit and play the game every hour they can to get good.

@Mc_Harty said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
So rank 20 is the same as rank 1?

Depends on the players honestly.

People that can't get passed rank 15 are the same as people who hit rank 1 in 10 hours?

People can hit Rank 1 within 2 days after rank reset. So given enough time, sure.

Rank, ideally, shows experience.

It really doesn't because of rank resets, and how easy it is to manipulate the ranks.

If you consistently red rank, you really have no business staying at lower ranks to fight people who just aren't there yet. It's pretty scummy to do that unless you're actively not trying to steamroll people. That goes for killer or survivor.

And this speech has to do with SWF because...? Seems like you have a deranking problem than a SWF problem.

Besides how are 4 red-rank players meant to know they are facing a yellow-rank?

Nah, they were using gigantic crutches. Don't give a ######### beyond that. The game isn't balanced for sweaty SWFS with comms.
Especially when you don't have a solid arsenal to fight them with.
Skill, or "being better" doesn't get to factor in here. These people are putting the game on easy, then strutting around like they won something.
It doesn't take an extraordinary warrior to see lightning, or hear thunder.

... Who? The SWF, the derankers or @Vietfox and his gang? You know what, I actually don't care.

Skill does factor in this game. It's just not the main focus for rank. A skilled player can outplay an unskilled one 100% of the time. Hell, I ran Overcharge Freddy with Unnerving. If I can win matches with those perks against SWF groups, odds are you'll be just fine.

You don't get better getting your teeth kicked in, and wondering what happened, or having a team blab vital info to run circles around you.

I recommend you watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J0Ahh3UxbM
Point being, accept #########, learn what you did wrong, and move on.

Perks, offerings, and addons are pretty necessary for some killers against good people, so having those is a part of getting better.

... So use them?

Hard to get those when people come to mess with your BP gains.

And that's a [BAD WORD] first. SWF mess with my Bloodpoint game.

You get better when you get to chase, hook, and basically play normally. Gotta learn to crawl before you walk, never mind run.

Eventually you got to stop crawling...

P.S. Sorry you don't understand that there's people who work, have lives, have finite stamina, etc. that can't just sit and play the game every hour they can to get good.

And I'm sorry that you want to git gud without even trying.

First off, I've no plans on "getting good without trying." What a weird thought to have.
I don't play that much. My arsenal is crap. I might have some cypress Moris at most.
Heaven help DBD if I ever get as good as you seem to think I want to get. lol smh

This "speech" has to do with SWF is because SWF can break match making to let higher ranks to vs lower ranks. And a lot like to.
SWF usually plays higher than the rank they have a trial against because they're way too coordinated.
SWF commonly loves crutches like chat.
The game isn't balanced for that.

If SWF wasn't so thoroughly abused, and milked for advantages the game isn't balanced for, I really wouldn't have a problem with SWF. Sadly, it's not the case. SWF pays for the people that abuse it so regularly. That's just how it is.

That vid is bupkis. It's like Mickey Goldmill vs the Terminator enough times.
Sorry, I don't feel like being the Apollo Creed to an Ivan Drago SWF.
OH, HEY! Rocky got coached, and taught! And he went on to teach and coach! Who's coaching the people SWFS love to steamroll? No one. It's like Ivan Drago on the amateur circuit.

You stop crawling when you're equipped/able to. Expecting it before that is absurd. Especially when some just want to play a match or two now and then, and can have a reasonable expectation to not get steamrolled by people who aren't supposed to be vsing you.

Just wanted to comment and say thanks to @TrueKn1ghtmar3 and @PigMainBigBrain I will save these for later when I get frustrated again. I really needed to read that because i've become sloppy, bad, and had gotten really upset and stressed and fallen into the survivors plays. Really good words of advice, thanks for the actual good thread.

As frustrating as it is, Toxic SWF will sometimes make mistakes that you can take advantage of because of their confidence against the killer. There's a few perks that help make it less painful to play like enduring, lightborn and brutal strength but Other than that, SWF as a whole has no real way to counter, if played right Everyone in the group knows where you are, If you've placed any traps, what pallets you've broken, where your totems are once one survivor has seen it and when to hide.