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What if the devs made an experiment and disabled dead hard for 1 weekend?

Just to see how truly powerful this perk is and how much more kills killers get without this totally busted perk, proving even more to the devs that killers complains about this perk are totally valid, that this perk is way too powerful (even if they most definitely know it) and show the survivors running it since forever how little skills they actually have.


They changed ruin because of how much it was used, time for dead hard.

Comments

  • lauraa
    lauraa Member Posts: 3,195

    i think one shot killers like Legion and Plague would be seen as oppressive and get nerfed. I would bet money on it

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 7,937

    People would just use Sprint Burst and the stats wouldn't change much if at all

  • jesterkind
    jesterkind Member Posts: 9,789

    Why would they disable a perk...?

    No, seriously, why? Is this drawing some kind of parallel between that and the Bloodlust experiment? Because those two things would be dramatically different.

    Besides, they don't need to do this experiment. Not only are Dead Hard's problems obvious, so are multiple solutions to implement, there's no need to make sure that it really is Dead Hard or whatever.

  • anarchy753
    anarchy753 Member Posts: 4,212

    It would be a nice counterpart to the Christmas event. 2 weeks where survivors get a free extra health state, then 2 weeks where they get one of their 3 health states removed.

  • oxygen
    oxygen Member Posts: 3,387
    edited December 2021

    They can just... you know, look at their already existing stats of trials with no DH and compare them to the ones with any number of DH? It's in no way the same as bloodlust, which is a base game mechanic that exists in every single match.

    And before anyone says the old "Haha games with no DH? There's none of those!" - at the big data level they collect their stats they'll have millions of matches in their databanks that fit that criteria, at all sorts of skill levels.

  • TheMadCat
    TheMadCat Member Posts: 2,203

    I already use SB, it's as good as DH if you know how to manage your exhaustion.

    But to come back to the thread, I wouldn't mind. Experiments are fun IMO. I remember we had a week-end without Bloodlust. I was pretty new at this moment, I didn't notice the difference (I was extremely bad, it didn't change anything to me because the Killer caught me before Bloodlust could even starts its first tier).

    I'm doing the experiment for myself as I stopped to run DH a couple of week ago. It doesn't feel as terrible as I'd think it'd be. I even feel better as I enjoy SB more, but I know it's purely subjective.

  • Smuk
    Smuk Member Posts: 735

    I would only give it a try that after using DH for a short time frame it would disable ability to fast vault.

    DH for pallets or avoiding hit i don’t mind at all.

    And if you look at DH on lets say more open spaces/zones it is not an issue with waiting for that baited DH or faking it with m2 (depends on killer ofcourse)

  • Bwsted
    Bwsted Member Posts: 3,452

    Well, I'd have to break out my Blight because ######### having to deal with 4 SB gamers every trial for a week.

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 7,937

    Ive always seen Sprint Burst as the stronger perk, it allows you to be safe in places that otherwise wouldnt be because the nearest safe pallet/window is too far.

    But yeah, more experiments need to be done, it allows the devs to experiment and gather data while relieving people of mechanics they dislike just for a little bit

  • Ghostofsnow
    Ghostofsnow Member Posts: 206

    dead hard can be annoying yes but it keeps the survivor relativley close to you so theres potentail to actually get the down since they'll try for loops. other alternatives like spirnt burst and lithe would just make a lot more survivors just hold w against you with absolutely not attempt at interaction which is a lot easier for them and hard to deal with

  • VicThor
    VicThor Member Posts: 347

    The problem is that I barely see games without Deadhard. How do they know the followings:

    -how a team would perform with DH at all

    -how good loopers perform without DH

    -how much time DH wins for survivors

    -how DH influence the result of the game

    I don’t think so they have Data around this, because there are usually at least 1 or 2 DH in every game. We truly need a no DH weekend, just like we had No blood lust weekend.

  • Haddix
    Haddix Member Posts: 1,080
    edited December 2021

    oh they don't care. they legitimately don't. it's not gonna happen lol. i think this year shows that a lot more than any other.

    they balance off dumb perks and items. the way they think the game is balanced is through ######### data. they are happy with their ######### data.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,939

    If they did that then people would realise how much more annoying it is to deal with Sprint Burst. And how its arguably just as strong when used properly.

  • gilgamer
    gilgamer Member Posts: 2,209

    As if the majority of dbd players have the patience to use SB properly if they did it'd be far more popular then dead hard.

  • Smuk
    Smuk Member Posts: 735

    so….ur trying to say, people

    use DH to make it a bit easier or killers ?

  • Marc_123
    Marc_123 Member Posts: 4,072

    The forum would explode with crying survivors.

    And Sluzzys Thread would have 10.000 comments..

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,939
    edited December 2021

    No I'm saying Dead Hard is more fun for survivors to use.

    Dead Hard makes chases longer, and thus more interaction.

    Sprint Burst prevents chases from starting, and thus less interaction.

    They're very similar in strength, however the ability to stop the chase occurring instead of make it longer is imho even more frustrating.

  • Smuk
    Smuk Member Posts: 735

    Even if you decide to go after SB guy, u will eventually catch up and have easier chance to do mind games.

    Where DH boosts you into 2nd loop or 2x window gyms…

    The biggest issue is, chase is again prolonged for a price of a generator.

  • Deferlo
    Deferlo Member Posts: 131

    I mean, sure, do that, but go all the way.

    Create a temporary game mode that doesn't impact MMR where for a week/weekend each month, a perk/ item/ addon from both side is disabled. Reward player that do at least 5/10 games with bp or iri shard and collect data from that.

    But for that to happen, BHVR would need to put effort into changing the game thanks to those data, which i'm not sure they are ready to do.

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,565

    Yea that's a great idea!

    Then they can nerf Pig after since her kill rate will go up

  • Yatol
    Yatol Member Posts: 1,960

    everyone would be running sprint burst instead

  • Marigoria
    Marigoria Member Posts: 6,090

    Same could be said about the OP of this thread, why didn't you share the same opinion then?

  • Smuk
    Smuk Member Posts: 735

    As mobile version of forums is horrible to do multi quotation. And yea I agree it could be same message for 80% of threads

  • lav3
    lav3 Member Posts: 775

    I don't mind but 3 days will be enough.

    Honestly I also wonder how many survivors will use Sprint Burst instead of Dead Hard.

    Because many people confuse it like they can use it whenever they want. (except organized SWF)

  • HexDevourAvocado
    HexDevourAvocado Member Posts: 95

    Thats why DBD will never get better.Because you are crying over perks that are not OP or whatever and you do not pay attention to teh bigger problems.

    Tell me that shadowborn or deja vu are op.Cant wait to hear that.

    Dead hard is something that can easily be avoided.

    In fact dead hard its not that strong.

    Good sprint burst mains know what I mean.

    Also I both play killer and survivor.Never had a problem with it.

    A good experment tho,would be to down DBD for 1 weekend.

    Lets see how many depressed people will be happy xD

    Devs dont give #########.get over it.

    matcmaking is the biggest problem.

    If u had survivors on your skill,you wouldnt nag about dead hard

  • Vampirox
    Vampirox Member Posts: 411

    im ok with that as long as we disable ruin/pop/corrupt for the week =D

  • ReikoMori
    ReikoMori Member Posts: 3,333

    Correction: There are most certainly tournaments for this game. Just not official BHVR setup tournaments.

  • Pepsidot
    Pepsidot Member Posts: 1,663

    Didn't they actually change ruin because of how busted it was against new players? New players may not have known about gen tapping, and were unable to hit great skill checks.

  • deKlaw_04
    deKlaw_04 Member Posts: 3,660

    I use lithe now. I have tried using sprint burst and dead hard but lithe is just a better match for me.

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,525

    Yea the reason it was used so much was one of the factors as to why they looked at it, of course people would like to make out it's the only reason they looked at it.