If a killer slugs for the 4k and then.....

There are some rare cases where you must bleed someone out because, for instance, they crawled to a corner out of reach of any hooks. But intentionally wasting everybody’s time for 4 minutes is obviously just giving the middle finger to the survivors.

I’ve only done that once personally, and it was a group of four survivors who intentionally just ran to a corner and went afk. I waited a bit to see if they would come back, and downed them. Eventually they used Unbreakable, I downed them again and just left them to wait out the timer. If they’re going to intentionally just waste my time by refusing to play I have no problem wasting theirs, it at least keeps those guys out of the pool for a few minutes to potentially do the same things to other people.

I bleed out anyone with a macro for flashlight, no one else even exists. You have a macro for flashlight that means you want my full attention so everyone else is free to go but you are going to crawl like the slug you are.

Get a snack.

Annoying but understandable.

Note that OP said the killer "bleed [them] both out." They weren't describing a killer who slugs for the 4k, but one who slugs both remaining survivors after catching the last one just because.

Had a Ghost Face do that to me and another random. He slugged her, I didn't want to waste my time hiding so I tried to pick her up, then he downed me nearby. We both bled out while he teabagged for a bit and then, presumably, went AFK.

It is BMing. Weird of you to "us vs them" it by bringing up survivors BMing for some reason.

Only time I do it is when a whole team bms throughout a game. Other than that it’s cringe, you already won at that point of getting a 3k.

Sometimes killer is just angry. Maybe you bullied him or escaped too much or got saved too much. (or the group before you)

Maybe the hook is too far away. It can be saver to just wait it out.

There is no hostage holding - game will end. May take a few minutes but that is only a made up problem and not a real one.

Exactly!

A killer choosing to waste everyone's time by bleeding people out unnecessarily is not BMing, but survivors who waste time standing at the exit gates to teabag... are? Or do you mean neither is?

I'm just confused because OP didn't bring up survivors, so this stubborn whataboutism doesn't make sense. You and someone named "Angry Killer" are the only people bringing up survivors as though they're part of a monolith.

But either way, BMing is BMing. If it happens and you get upset, move on or take a break. Your "side" isn't some underdog fighting back against evil when you target random people who had nothing to do with whoever BM'd you in the previous game.

Just had a game where killer got 3k. (so not a real good surv game)

I want to see the killers perks - so i have to wait.

The last surv stands at the gate - about 40 secs or so. Killer won´t show up (best thing to do). But i thought - you stupid id..... - just get the f out.

Bleeding out survivors is certainly a pretty rude maneuver. But then, so is the whole survivor team standing at the exit gates and refusing to leave until the killer walks up so that the survivors can teabag and dead hard out of the gate.

Guess which one happens more often than the other.

It's an intentional time waste that the survivors do specifically to try to hurt the killer's feelings or to self-aggrandize their own victory. Which is the same as letting all the survivors bleed out. Except, there's three survivor perks that let them get up from the downed state to prevent bleeding out. There's nothing killers have to penalize survivors who stand around and refuse to leave.

So, my recommendation would be: try running one of the numerous options you have to stop bleeding out, if you can withstand the pain and soul-wounding ignominy of not being equipped with your perfect meta build

Oh, absolutely. My take on the bleed-out thing is that if everyone's down for the count and nobody has an active DS/UB/Soul Guard/No Mither, people should be able to bleed out, which counts as a kill for the killer for bloodpoints and emblem purposes. Can't exit the game when there's still a chance the game can be salvaged, so no teammates killing themselves halfway through the match, but once it's over, you don't have to waste four minutes watching a Pig slowly tbag you because you dropped a pallet on her and had the audacity to remove her bear trap. (I don't think Power Struggle and Deliverance should count simply because they never deactivate and survivors shouldn't be locked in by perks that require the killer to pick someone up.)

There's just no reason that survivors should be forced to endure bleeding out. Killers do at least have the option to push survivors out, as you said, though I'm still not okay with how commonplace gate BM is in this game and the fact that you basically always have to travel to the gates just to get the match to end.

The "just desserts" take really annoys me. I never understood punishment games to begin with. If four randoms treat you like garbage, and you turn around and treat four different randoms like garbage, aren't you doing the same thing the first guys did? Players aren't a hivemind; you can't distribute justice by reaching into the grab bag and being mean to whoever you find.

If killers had a perk that said: "If all survivors are within 24 yards of the exit gate, one of the gloating survivors is prevented from leaving the trial," I would take that perk every time.

If killers had a button to push that unlocked once all gens were done and the gates were opened that just force-ended the match there and then and didn't rely on gloating survivors actually moving a fraction of an inch into the exit threshold, I'd push that button every time.

Considering that neither of those two things will ever happen, I see no reason why Survivors should get a quality of life ability to cut short a gloating killer's slugfest.

Or we could, like, fix both of these things instead of going "I refuse to let the other side have a decent experience because they're mean to me. No QoL should ever happen because some players don't deserve it." No? Because I think that might be a better idea.

Again, people aren't a hivemind. And as someone who plays both sides but prefers killer - gate tbaggers are more common than bleeders, but bleeding out is way more obnoxious when it happens because it lasts twice as long as tbagging at its longest and because there is nothing that can hasten its progression. It brings nothing to the game and there's no reason survivors should not be allowed to die when the game is irrevocably over. "It serves as a karmic balance for BM survivors can do" is bullshit. We shouldn't be enabling any of this, period.

Fixing a problem on both ends would be a lovely way to run a game. However, that is not the way that Dead By Daylight is run.

Lots of things in the game have problems with validation. So, are killer grabs validated? No, they're turned to attempted swings. Are killer powers validated? No, they just fail to connect or trigger, randomly. But Pallet stuns? Those get validated. Even when the code is so broken that the killer gets false game information. Is the graphical and sound bug fixed for killers? No, the same broken code is extended to Dead Hard validation.

I'd be happy to let survivors auto-kill themselves on the ground when everybody's been slugged. But that situation is so absurdly niche that pushing for some kind of systemic overhaul to stop this one-in-a-hundred situation is so blindly survivor-biased that it's actually very funny to me. Especially when, in the very same breath, the people calling for it are defending standing at the exit gates for no good reason on the grounds "well you can just walk over and force them to Dead Hard out." And that little 'stand at the gates,' problem happens in something approaching 100% of 4 escape games. But, you know, let's not solve the survivor delay that happens every time. Let's fix the killer delay that you might encounter a dozen or two times in the course of playing the game, ever.

Would it be nice to fix the Exit Gate and Bleed Out delay problems both at the same time? Well sure, of course it would. But that's not going to happen. And pretending that it's some horrible epidemic that has robbed you of years of your life and it absolutely must be addressed... well, that's just very, very silly.

It's griefing. You can't just take your win and leave, you simply have to rub it in, like a miserable dopamine-depraved monkey you are.

You see the timer when the game ends. Where is the hostage?

And the killer simply counts to his win.

In my two years of playing i can count how many times i bled out.

I bet killer had some rough matches before. So i don´t know if it is really that big of a problem.

Also same to survs that should not waste the whole time of the EGC at the gates waiting.

The only difference being the Killer can walk to the exit and force everyone out, if you're being slugged with your whole team all you can do is stay on the floor.