How about 1600 auric cells?

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tester
tester Member Posts: 792
edited January 2022 in General Discussions

Hey BHVR. You are taking away 4 cosmetic pieces from Cannibal players. Price of a single cosmetic piece for Cannibal is 400 auric. 1600 for 4 pieces. How about you give everyone who unlocked faces enough compensation to replace what you are taking away? That would prove people that it's not just a greedy cash grab plot to make people spend money on paid skins.

Yeah, yeah, I know, not gonna happen. One can dream though.


Edit: Black face Bubba was discussed all the way in 2018. But... Bubba didn't have paid cosmetics at that time. All of that was ignored until paid cosmetics were added. Suspicious?


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  • Steel_Eyed
    Steel_Eyed Member Posts: 4,031
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    Lower your expectations to zero because that’s what you deserve.

  • Pipefish
    Pipefish Member Posts: 331
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    The amount of iridescent shards isn't even enough to buy a purple item as they cost 7,000 iridescent shards. The honestly should have gave away a cannibal outfit to compensate but I guess something is better than nothing.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    Skipped math classes or just too young to have them? You can't lower to zero from something that is below zero.

  • anarchy753
    anarchy753 Member Posts: 4,212
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    I don't even care about 4 pieces. How about 400 cells so I can at the very least buy a mask to replace the mask I'm losing?

    Shards are pretty much nothing, and can't even be used on him, so how is that a real refund for the effort put into obtaining the cosmetics?

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    Where in the ad around Bubba are the masks included? Pretty sure 100% of players found out about the masks being free AFTER purchasing Bubba.

    So to correct your argument: "It's like selling a kitchen and giving the customers free cookies after the sale has been completed, then removing those cookies because people have been using those cookies to vandalize windows, where you're now compensated with something that has a value of 2/3rds of an ENTIRELY NEW KITCHEN and infact will cover ALL THE PARTS OF THAT KITCHEN if you dont like that specific kitchen"

    The masks were never the selling point of bubba, your argument is invalid.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    The irishards can buy you:

    1. 3 perks on the shrine of secrets, without having to buy the character(s) themself
    2. Covers 2/3rds of an entire original character, the month of december alone added 1/3rd already, meaning if you havent spend it, you have an entire character for free
    3. 1 entire yellow outfit, 2 grey outfits, 1 green item, 3 yellow items, 6 grey items. Bubba's masks were grey items. That means you basically get 2 grey items for free. "but those are just recolors" Guess what? So are Bubba's masks.

    People here claiming that BHVR is greedy, when demanding an entire CUSTOM MADE outfit to compensate for free recolors.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    Look Ken, if you are going to make up stuff, at least try to make it a liiiiiiitttle believable. How do you know this: "Pretty sure 100% of players found out about the masks being free AFTER purchasing Bubba."? You can search this forum and see for yourself that this was widely talked about topic since 2018. You can continue making your silly examples, but the point is... Killers are unhappy about stuff that they owned being taken away with laughable compensation. When people are unhappy they leave. And your queue is going to get longer.

    There are people who will lick boots for any scraps given. And there are people who will demand what they believe is rightfully theirs. It's your choice.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
    edited January 2022
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    1. I already have all perks.
    2. I already have all characters.
    3. Fine. Then give me ability to buy 1 entire yellow outfit, 2 grey outfits, 1 green item, 3 yellow items, 6 grey items for Cannibal. Oh, wait! You want $$ for those? That's were we have a problem.

    Greedy, because they took away the ONLY freely unlockable outfits and replaced them with paid ones. Did you know that you can search this forum and see that there were threads about black face bubba being racist all the way back in 2018? But those were ignored... Because Bubba didn't have any paid cosmetics at that time.... Until... Wait for it... Paid cosmetics were added to Cannibal. Think about it. If that still doesn't sound even slightly suspicious to you, than there is nothing else I can say to help you.


    Edit: added link to 2018 thread


  • Laluzi
    Laluzi Member Posts: 5,553
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    I'm very skeptical that this had any influence on BHVR's decision. Generally, players that will not buy cosmetics cannot be convinced to spend money on cosmetics, and players that will spend money on cosmetics will do so freely on whatever appeals to them. There isn't an awful lot of overlap between the two groups and you can't squeeze money out of a stone, so to speak; there's little point in trying. And even if the survivor faces had an impact on Bubba's sales, they only covered his face slot. I was going to say the other two slots only had paid options anyway, except he's got the same free prestige outfit that everyone else does, mask included, so... ????

    This take sounds... pretty conspiracy-theory-y. It seems way easier to assume they did this to shut down controversy than as an evil master plan to make you buy Pretty Lady Bubba.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    "players that will not buy cosmetics cannot be convinced to spend money on cosmetics, and players that will spend money on cosmetics will do so freely on whatever appeals to them." - I'll need a source for that. Something more credible than your own feeling.

    On the other hand, we've got some locked sets where it was proven that the only possible reason for that is greed. So... There is that.

    See, people were talking about blackface for over 3 years. On this forum. Do you really believe its just a coincidence that action was taken only after paid cosmetic was added? LOL :) Do you need a bridge by the way?

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
    edited January 2022
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    "You can search this forum and see for yourself that this was widely talked about topic since 2018."

    By players who already bought bubba, not part of the ad. That was your argument.

    "Killers are unhappy about stuff that they owned being taken away with laughable compensation. When people are unhappy they leave. And your queue is going to get longer."

    It's a brown cosmetic that is a recolor. Pretty sure last time I checked people really disliked recolors of skins. Now you're getting something that can get you a custom made item or even custom made skin that isnt recolored at all, and yet you're complaining about that. You're getting objectively an upgrade. And you're still complaining. It's not gonna change gameplay, it didnt cost you any money, and you didnt buy Bubba for the masks. Yet you claim that Bubba's free cosmetic masks are as integral to Bubba as a kitchen sink is to a kitchen? That's such a weak argument that I could let a 2 year old give you better logic.

    A full skin as replacement isnt rightfully yours. Heck, if we're gonna talk about things that are rightfully yours, you dont even OWN the character.

    Yeah, that's right, you own a license to USE the character. If the license holder demands that license back from you, they are not even required to compensate you for it, because you dont own the character. The license is just proof of the monetary compensation you gave to use the license untill that license expires or is retracted.

    If you're gonna be "claiming what's rightfully yours", I could try to contact the license holders to take away your specific Bubba license without any compensation, just to prove to you that you cannot legally claim back that license. I'm not gonna do that, because 1. I dont care and 2. even if I cared, they are not gonna withold a license just to prove a point, but legally, you never owned the masks. You merely hold a user license.

    This is why you can still play Demo, because the user license is not affected by Netflix' license withdrawal. But Netflix does have legal footings to also withdraw that user license if they wished, meaning you could lose Demogorgon entirely if Netflix decided to revoke it.


    Yet even with all that, BHVR still decided to add compensation. They werent required to, they werent even obligated to. I'm not licking boots for scraps, I know my rights, you dont know yours.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    Hey Ken, you are confusing copyright ownership and in game ownership. Please, just stop your strawman arguments. No one is arguing here about what is required or obligated. No one is arguing about licenses and copyrights here. No one is arguing about right here. What I'm saying is what I believe is justice. And you are free to have different beliefs. You can argue until you are blue about what other people should be satisfied with but at the end each one decides for himself. If you are happy with shards, please, by all means, goooooo enjoooooooooy yourself. No one is trying to convince you here that you shouldn't be happy. But many people are unhappy. It's a fact. Check reddit if you don't believe me.. Therefore I offered a solution that I believe would make more people happy.

    This is off topic, but... please don't even mention "rights". Why do you think you have any at all? Many rights that you enjoy were not given voluntarily. They were fought for and demanded by people who were not satisfied with boot licking.

  • BenihimeWrath
    BenihimeWrath Member Posts: 968
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    I mean... If you want to get technical the prerequisite to unlock the skins is to buy Leatherface, a licensed character that can ONLY be bought with auric cells. So, arguably, 500 auric cells would not be amiss.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,988
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    It would be good faith to give us 500. 1600 is absurd.


    But whatever, 6k shards is... Well, that is what we get. It could have been nothing and they are the types where we should have expected nothing. So I guess we should count our blessings.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    Yep, most will thank them for the bones that bhvr throws them from their table. Luckily, a lot of good games are coming out this year. Dying Light 2 is just a month away.

  • TeabaggingGhostface
    TeabaggingGhostface Member Posts: 3,108
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    I personally think they should add a chestpiece that has a kill tracker thingy on it

  • SunsetSherbet
    SunsetSherbet Member Posts: 1,607
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    This is what rubs me wrong about removing the cosmetics. Those are the only non-default cosmetics for Bubba that you can get besides the prestige, which is just the default but bloody. Now, if you want a unique mask, you have to buy cells for money from behavior to buy a new mask. Your compensation is shards that you conveniently cannot use to buy any Bubba cosmetics. It makes me feel like at least half the reason they did this was because it had the side effect of likely earning them money by making some Bubba players just go spend money now.


    The compensation should have either been 400 cells for a new mask, or how about just making a new unique mask as the unlockable? Maybe some mask that's in the movies. Then there's still an unlockable and people still can get a free mask.

  • Purple_Orc
    Purple_Orc Member Posts: 218
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    We didn't get them for free. They only come with Leatherface when you pay for it. Then we just had to go through the extra step to unlock them.

  • YuisPinkBob
    YuisPinkBob Member Posts: 353
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    Literally, I understand why people want Auric Cells for them but at the end of the day they were free, earnable cosmetics. Not paid ones. It makes sense that they'd get Iridescent Shards in return for them.

  • TragicSolitude
    TragicSolitude Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 6,691
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    BHVR should have added at least one new unlockable cosmetic for removing these four. They are removing content and no new content is taking its place. Having less content in the game sucks.

    Bubba had a nifty unique feature and it's just being removed entirely. There are no masks to unlock via gameplay now. None.

    Shards for each mask unlocked (c'mon, we're not getting Auric Cells) + new unlockables, then it wouldn't feel so much like the trolls won.

  • Jay_Whyask
    Jay_Whyask Member Posts: 546
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    I don't understand why the masks are being removed at all.🤔

    If there's enough evidence to support the fact that racists are tunneling, camping, being racist in chat, and trying to dress as offensive as possible, why are we getting rid of 4 cosmetics instead of banning the racists? Removing the masks won't hurt the racists, it'll just empower them because they got a strong reaction.

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    That's because racism card is just a smoke screen. And the real reason they are removing them is to increase revenue from paid Cannibal skins. They've known how some use the faces for over 3 years (evidence in first post), but chose not to act until they added paid skins to Cannibal. Nothing changed in those 3 years. The only variable that is different is paid skins. But Kens and Karens will defend bhvr any way. Chads will switch to new games come this spring. Dying Light 2 and Elden Rings are coming within the next 2 month. When company becomes too greedy, they lose customers. Epic games giveaway shows just how desperate they are for new cash cows.

  • hiken
    hiken Member Posts: 1,188
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    is not like it costs you money to unlock them but the reward they are giving us is laughable. 6k or 7k shards, you dont buy one single free character with that and i loved my jake skin, because was so rare and almost no one had it because jake is such an odd character to see, took me many years, and what do i get? a pathetic amount of shards in compensation this is a verified BHVR moment.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    Copyright ownership and in game ownership go hand in hand when there are licenses involved, read the ToS.

    And your belief in justice isnt justice. Justice is both sides being treated the way they deserve. What you've been claiming is literally only taking because you believe you were wronged, when the action is made due to racist abuse to take care of many people who have been wronged. Since the decision wasnt made around just removing it for the sake of removing it, your argument of "justice" kinda falls flat. Which is why I called you Karen in the first place: a person claiming to be in the right, regardless of circumstance, and demanding special treatment for being "wronged" in a situation that isnt about them.

    And funny how you keep jumping to bootlicking, when you're the one stuck with your own head up your as$. As for rights, yeah, I fight for rights. Actual things that people actually deserve.

    You dont deserve auric cells because people abused a free skin for racism. Auric cells are strictly about things that were purchased with money. You didnt lose Bubba. The skins werent advertised(people talked about it BECAUSE it was free and unexpected). You didnt pay anything extra to get those faces.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    By that logic, the prerequisite to unlock that, is to buy DBD, which costs money too, and since DBD recieves updates and is no longer the game I bought in 2016, arguably, a full refund wouldnt be amiss.

    "a licensed character that can ONLY be bought with auric cells." also, false, you can buy the DLC, for quite cheap too. I've seen the DLC be as cheap as 50 cents, meaning 50 auric cells is the best you can argue, 50 auric cells isnt gonna do much.

  • GuyFawx
    GuyFawx Member Posts: 2,021
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    I have a question do we know if its 6k for each unlocked face or 6k for all of them?

  • BenihimeWrath
    BenihimeWrath Member Posts: 968
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    I mean, if you decided to stop playing the game just because BHVR removed the cosmetics then I could see trying to make an argument for a refund. But you'd probably get slapped with time limitations.

    Also some people can't just buy the DLC at massively discounted rates. Please check your PC/steam privilege at the door.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    Ah yes, so, paying 500 auric cells means you deserve 1600 auric cells? Assuming you didnt buy Leatherface DLC at a discount? Let alone that back when Bubba came out, there werent many survivors and getting all 4 masks wasnt even a challenge at all, you'd literally unlock them on accident within a week. Right now, its still not even extra steps to unlock them, it's literally just playing the game untill you passively get them.

    Taking all that into consideration, that means that there are players who got the masks without any effort and people who got the DLC for 50 cents. Which is practically free.

    Now, 6k iri shards also takes some time to collect over time. I'd say about as long as it takes to get all the masks.


    Remember Heartstone and the release of Shudderwock? Did those people who bought Shudderwock deserve a full refund because Shudderwock was absolutely gamebreaking and in need of a nerf? No. They did not. Changes are part of a game. As long as your purchase isnt removed, you are not elligable for a refund. Auric cells are part of a refund policy. Bubba is not removed, your purchase is not removed. BHVR is in a position where they could have deleted it, unannounced, and never give anything in return, because those skins were free additions, werent advertised as a part of the sales.

    Heck, you would actually have a better argument when they changed Franklins Demise last year, since that WAS part of the advertising around Bubba.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    "Also some people can't just buy the DLC at massively discounted rates. Please check your PC/steam privilege at the door."

    Yeah, but you cant really give people extra or less because they own dbd on a different platform. You have to treat people equally on this one, and since Bubba has been out for 4+ years, 6k is quite a lot.


    Personally, I would have given bubba the faces of Trapper, Wraith and Billy, but that would require a deal with the license holders since you cant just add a cosmetic to replace another one. That's not how it works.

  • JacksonWise
    JacksonWise Member Posts: 651
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    I 100% agree. You earned those cosmetics through play time, it makes sense they would try to compensate with currency earned through playtime.

    Let's also keep in mind this isn't something they even HAVE to do in the first place. They could just remove the cosmetics outright. They couldn't be bought so there is not even a financial obligation.

    6,000 Iri shards is VERY generous, especially when they already gave away several thousand through last month. Do the players on this forum who disagree even realize how many hours of grinding 6,000 free Iri shards saves you? And they're giving these away to people who have just PLAYED Cannibal. You don't even have to have earned all the faces like some people have.

  • BenihimeWrath
    BenihimeWrath Member Posts: 968
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    This is how I know you are a troll. You provide an argument that counters your own previous argument. That means there was no reason for you to bring up the 50 auric cell cost at all since BHVR has to treat all players equally anyway.

    6,000 iri shards isn't even enough shards to get 1 'good' cosmetic. Like yeah, I guess its 450k BP, whoop-dee-doo.

    Personally I think BHVR should have doubled down on the original survivor masks and have it just be one of those things that comes out with every survivor like their twitch shirt/ugly sweater. From my view, them removing the masks is an admittance that the purpose of smartface was to be black face instead of owning that it was just a thematic cosmetic decision and that anyone who says otherwise is blowing everything out of proportion.

  • bm33
    bm33 Member Posts: 8,092
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    Instead of masks why not make his weapon out of things from the survivors? Kill bunch of Megs get a hammer made out of sneakers, bunch of Claudettes get hammer made out of flower pots, bunch of Kate's get a guitar to hit people with, bunch of Bills get a giant cigarette. 😂

  • tester
    tester Member Posts: 792
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    Because they want you to spend $$ on paid cosmetics. Free unlocks reduce revenue.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,074
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    Keep asking and you will get a nerfed to one of the killer's side.

  • Dito175
    Dito175 Member Posts: 1,391
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    Agreed, i'd rather get a purple outfit with these shards than stay on the foruns crying over a recolor

  • hailxsatanxeveryxday
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    1600? I'm not saying that wouldn't be nice, but the price of the killer is $5.00.

    I think 500 auric cells would be plenty, although I'm not saying "no" to 6000 free shards considering that I don't have every killer unlocked and I only bought Bubba for BBQ.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    Oh, the reason I brought up the 50 auric cells, is that they would have to assume EVERYONE has been able to buy the dlc for something worth 50 auric cells. It would be unfair if someone spend 5$ on 500 auric cells to buy Bubba when someone else bought it for 50 cents, and then the guy with 50 cents essentially getting a 5$ refund. Treating all players equally here, would mean refunding everyone 50 auric cells.

    "Personally I think BHVR should have doubled down on the original survivor masks and have it just be one of those things that comes out with every survivor like their twitch shirt/ugly sweater. From my view, them removing the masks is an admittance that the purpose of smartface was to be black face instead of owning that it was just a thematic cosmetic decision and that anyone who says otherwise is blowing everything out of proportion."

    BHVR was doubling down on this, for 4 years. Its not untill the past 6 months that people have increasingly been using the face to harass people. And its not even about blackface, its literally that people make it very clear to harass people by streamsniping people, paying for programs to massively increase the timing of matchmaking to match up with the streamer(yes, this software exists, and yes, people pay for it).

    Its basically as if you were burning a cross in someone's lawn. You wouldnt need to be wearing a KKK uniform to show you were racist, all you needed to do was burn a cross in their lawn. It's not about blackface. That is a complete misconception.


    Also, 6k shards for free cosmetics is quite a lot, the survivor masks werent even really good either. It does limit the customization options for Bubba mains who dont really have the money for it, sure, but the faces were just recolors.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,867
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    Cus that's not how Bubba works. Bubba kills people, and wears their face.

  • TheArbiter
    TheArbiter Member Posts: 2,246
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    They literally aren't free though, you had to BUY the chapter to get them as a reward.

  • espooked
    espooked Member Posts: 465
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    get a job and buy your own cells 🤣

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077
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    No, it really isn't.

    These cosmetics were incredibly hard to earn and really unique to boot. Honestly, removing them is silly - but if they want to go that way, some cells would be a better compensatory package, or at least enough shards to buy a different killer.

  • SuzuKR
    SuzuKR Member Posts: 3,910
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    The entitlement is beyond delusional.

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077
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    I don't see the entitlement here.

    People are losing a set of really cool, really unique cosmetics because a handful of butt turkeys decided to be butt turkeys. For compensation, they are being offered a pretty measly sum of shards. This reminds me of the Caps controversy from that terrible Fallout MMO.