Removing Bubba masks: Never a win.

However this rises the question if you should throw something away just because people with malicious intent are using it. We let those racists claim the face masks now they are their symbol, a symbol of harassment.

Imagine something like this happening to other items or cosmetics. Should we just let them have it or should we fight to keep these things?

Thats not as clear-cut as you think. None-native speaker might use slurs they dont really know are racist, or just try to translate terms from their own language, and either do it badly, or it means something different in english. Banning those people permanently for that would be a bit harsh. Temporary ban is ok, as long as it is long enough to be impactful.

Keep the masks : you lose

Delete them: you lose

Talk about them: jokes on you youre loosing too

...wait i did just talked about the masks too... dang it !

I agree. I wish BHVR owned up to their mistake of adding the cosmetics in the first place instead of using the player base as the reason for their removal (even if the players in question are [BAD WORD]).

Of course if they owned up to it like that, they'd be admitting that they've been enabling black face for the past however long it's been since the TCM paragraph came out...

After giving it some thought, I must say that I ultimately have to agree with BHVR's decision. It was pretty clear the masks couldn't stay as they were, and changing them wouldn't do anything to combat what they were used for. Given that there are/were 2 offending masks as well, this is just the better solution. To that end, I'm also glad that they are removing the other two. It would create a standout that would be just as bad.

Besides, if the creator themselves is happy they are going, then who are we to say they should stay?

I mean, we don't know that for sure... people target Claudette's with almost every character due to being Claudettes. I mean I've seen the videos of those "racism comments" and there were comments of "You were Claudette", it wasn't something like "you're using a black character", so people felt like they were racist or hating towards black people when actually, they were tunneling a character just because it's easier to lose track to them... and you know how many threads there were about "blackface" when actually they played Jane or anything but saw LF with the Claudette's mask and used the " historical reasons card" when in history, black people have slaved white people as well... but oh no "if you know, in America..." almost everyone will tell you the same, like if racism towards white people didn't nor doesn't exist which is wrong... and actually people will tell you that if something like if LF were black and using a white face would be right because "historically... it happened otherwise" because they don't know anything about worldwide history. American history is just a tiny piece of worldwide history. Besides... it all happended a long time ago. Don't you think it's time to forget that people were so racist and stop feeling so touchy about almost anything? There are racist people nowadays, yes. But most of the people have forgotten about it. As an example, in Spain some white kids had their face painted black on a Christmas show since of course, some hebrews were people of color and yet some people told these kids were making fun of the black people and that if they wanted a black person, there are many black kids... so what? If I am in a school full of white kids should I head over 100 schools because some black person is going to get angry? No way, there's a difference between being racist and complaining just for the sake of complain.

There isn't even a 1% of racism in bubba face mask. Its all about how people interpret the use, wich can't be deal with even if the devs apply tougher rules. People will do whatever they want.. Therefore removing the mask does not solve any problem and its totally pointless.

You are not understanding the point. Was the purpose from Behaviour to make leatherface masks to promote racism? Not in the slightest. Now if some people use them to harass someone its not Behaviour fault and definitely not the community fault, so removing the mask don't fix anything and its a pointless action that only damage content of the Leatherface DLC. What they should do if they are not already doing it, is just take any kind of harassment in post game chat more seriously.

Hammers can be used for assault. Bans hammers. "We removed a method of assault guys, this is a logical train of thought."

Imagine if the masks were kept in and the Claudette one was replaced with say Nea.

Then all the usual darlings would start jumping up and down, screaming discrimination.

"Literally shaking".

I dont get his at all.

Maybe i am too naive but i dont see how these masks can be used in a racist manner.

If the masks can be used in a racist manner then everything else in the game could as well.

So where would that lead to?

I just had another interesting point to add: In his disturbed mind Bubba puts on the masks to be like the person he wears. He does this for their personality traits and to be of use for his family. As such he maybe puts on Claudettes face to be like her: Empathic and smart. Both are traits he can not grasp and he severly lacks.

A major problem with this is that the racists have won: They took that mask as a symbol and we let them. Now with their removal this is set in stone and nothing can be done. This is plain wrong: We should not let racists take symbols from us and not let them win.