Why Amanda?
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In reality Amanda was the perfect choice as a killer, John took you due to lack of appreciation of life and if you earned your second chance he would let you go. He had honour and if you won his game then you earned freedom.
Amanda on the other hand was a significantly more brutal Jigsaw, to her you were a sack of meat who didn't deserve redemption. Whereas John would let you live should you best his game, Amanda's games were unwinnable, she purposefully tampered with traps to make it you could not escape and would die. So in reality if you were to pit Amanda vs John for a murder role, Amanda beats john by a long shot as john let you go should you deserve it while Amanda would toy with you knowing you were going to die no matter what under her traps.
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@I_Eat_Worms said:
@Doulldozer said:
In reality Amanda was the perfect choice as a killer, John took you due to lack of appreciation of life and if you earned your second chance he would let you go. He had honour and if you won his game then you earned freedom.Amanda on the other hand was a significantly more brutal Jigsaw, to her you were a sack of meat who didn't deserve redemption. Whereas John would let you live should you best his game, Amanda's games were unwinnable, she purposefully tampered with traps to make it you could not escape and would die. So in reality if you were to pit Amanda vs John for a murder role, Amanda beats john by a long shot as john let you go should you deserve it while Amanda would toy with you knowing you were going to die no matter what under her traps.
Hoffman beats Amanda for a murder role
Hoffman was another strong contender but I still don't think he was as good as Amanda for a pure murderous killer. He did let his anger get the better of him a couple of times but John kept him in check and made sure he made the games correctly, the only real major burst he had was when he went on his murderous rampage for revenge, but that wasn't due to his attitude more how angry he was.
As said Amanda killed you just cause you were a sack of meat whereas Hoffman still played the games although still with some discrepancies. Hoffman by far is a better game master than Amanda was but he wasn't just a straight up killer like Amanda, you had to tick him off for him to fully go ballistic compared to Amanda just straight up murdering and mocking you.
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A man with cancer chasing survivors? i dont know, it seems off
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Amanda was obsessed with John and I guess her emotional state made the Entity more interested in her
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John isn't really a 'chase you down' person. And due to his condition, he wouldn't be able to chase the survivors down or bring them to a sacrificial hook.
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@Doulldozer said:
In reality Amanda was the perfect choice as a killer, John took you due to lack of appreciation of life and if you earned your second chance he would let you go. He had honour and if you won his game then you earned freedom.Amanda on the other hand was a significantly more brutal Jigsaw, to her you were a sack of meat who didn't deserve redemption. Whereas John would let you live should you best his game, Amanda's games were unwinnable, she purposefully tampered with traps to make it you could not escape and would die. So in reality if you were to pit Amanda vs John for a murder role, Amanda beats john by a long shot as john let you go should you deserve it while Amanda would toy with you knowing you were going to die no matter what under her traps.
Hoffman beats Amanda for a murder role
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@DCh4rlie said:
Just a little warning first, this thread might contain some spoilers to the Saw series.a master minded psychopath that always thinks one step ahead of everyone?
i think its a bit more then one.
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We have teenage children chasing down full grown men with rulers with compass points taped to them.Theluckyboi said:A man with cancer chasing survivors? i dont know, it seems off
Honestly, David could flat out level any Legion with a good right cross.
Yet, it doesn’t happen.
The entity can do many things to assist a killer in their endeavors. Helping a man run who is riddled with cancer? Not unbelievable in the entity’s realm.3 -
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Not all killers actually kill because they want to. Leatherface, for example, kills because he is afraid. I believe the Entity whispers into his ears that the survivors will discover his family and exploit his fears if he doesn't kill them.
I don't see why the Entity could not make John the Pig, and believe that if the survivors do not escape from him they will fail his game. It's much blunt than his actual games, since it would be him chasing you.
As for his illnesses, the Entity could easily remove them, and even strengthen him the same way other killers are to be able to break pallets and lift survivors etc.
I prefer John as a character from the films, but Hoffman was my favourite.
Amanda is okaaaay I suppose.
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I'm just glad we got Amanda but why tapp tho it could have been David Mathew from saw 21
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The Entity feeds off hope, but it can't feed off it if the survivors escape. John's games were designed to either kill or release. Unless the Entity interacted with Johns traps, they wouldn't be a sacrifice, and while the other killers (and Amanda) would continue to hunt their prey until they all were sacrificed or escaped, John would release survivors who bested him once.
Amanda, however, doesn't care whether someone wins or loses her game, only that in the end, they die, whether to her traps or to the hook she doesn't care, and as such makes a much better killer then John.
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Thank you! This was the actual question of mine.The_Trapper said:Not all killers actually kill because they want to. Leatherface, for example, kills because he is afraid. I believe the Entity whispers into his ears that the survivors will discover his family and exploit his fears if he doesn't kill them.
I don't see why the Entity could not make John the Pig, and believe that if the survivors do not escape from him they will fail his game. It's much blunt than his actual games, since it would be him chasing you.
As for his illnesses, the Entity could easily remove them, and even strengthen him the same way other killers are to be able to break pallets and lift survivors etc.
I prefer John as a character from the films, but Hoffman was my favourite.
Amanda is okaaaay I suppose.
I mean yes, I can accept the answer that Amanda is a true killer.
But imagine you were the entity and you had the power to make people do the things you want them to. Why take a "cheap 2nd choice" when you can take the better orginal.0 -
@AetherBytes said:
The Entity feeds off hope, but it can't feed off it if the survivors escape. John's games were designed to either kill or release. Unless the Entity interacted with Johns traps, they wouldn't be a sacrifice, and while the other killers (and Amanda) would continue to hunt their prey until they all were sacrificed or escaped, John would release survivors who bested him once.Amanda, however, doesn't care whether someone wins or loses her game, only that in the end, they die, whether to her traps or to the hook she doesn't care, and as such makes a much better killer then John.
Lol, if John was the killer he would be survivor mains favorite killer to face due to him giving second chances and letting them go if they beat his game lol.
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Well, let's make a checklist for Amanda shall we?
- Unstable mind? Check
- Unstable emotional state? Check
- No real purpose in life beyond emotional impulses? Check
- A bodycount that rivals that of a Russian gulag? Check
- The physical capabilities to commit such crimes? With a suspension of disbelief, check... I guess...
The point is, John Kramer (sorry if I misspelt that) would have been too merciful and to weak for the Entity. Jigsaw's whole schtick was to put 'sinners' and other flawed civvies through his torture-porn gallery of death in the hopes that they would be "reborn" as something better. The only reason he's got such a high body count is because most of his victims can't handle the pain/made stupid decisions and died as a result, making him mostly yet indirectly responsible for their deaths.
Amanda, on the other hand, while initially on board with this philosophy, was blinded by emotion and obsessed with Kramer's praise. She didn't really care about whether her victims survived and wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty. If you've watched the films yourself (I haven't, but I did research), you'll see how far she goes to do the stuff she does.
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First and foremost, Entity doesn't just feed off hope but moments of extreme emotion such as terror when Myers rips you off a generator or rage when you're stabbed in THE GOD DAMNED SHOULDER FOR THE THIRD TIME THIS ROUND BLARGRAWRSNARLGHRAWL....
...ahem...
Anyways, unlike John, as many have pointed out, Amanda does not believe in forgiveness. Those that commit their actions that they're being judged for, in Amanda's eyes, are destined to repeat over and over again. Thus they deserve to die.
Looking at the profiles of all the survivors, I honestly feel like the only one she would have a legit bone to pick with, in terms of going against her sense of "morals," are Ace with his gambling habits, Feng for the whole gaming thing, and Nea because... well... it's Nea.3 -
Because she is bad ass?
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Nope,Hoffman only uses gun, Amanda have body to body prison experience combat, she is also the "Executioner",killing with her own hands in the saga
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What are you talking about? Hoffmann literally won a 3v1 with him stabbing two police officers with guns to death.
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Have you seen Saw VI? (and ig VII)?
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I did
Are u talking aboyt when he killed for hidden his identity while Amanda killed ad a philosophy? And how Amanda was beat up and kidnapping people while Hoffman still a corrupt cop?
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I was more referring to the fact that he used more than a gun to kill people
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John despite his evil actions in his mind has benevolent motives, he believes that through torture that he is helping people, so I doubt he would kill for the sake of killing with an audience he cannot "rehabilitate" as the survivors will forever be stuck in the realm. Amanda believes John's traps are pointless as people don't deserve second chances and cannot change, hence why she'd be more willing to downright kill people.
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