Dead Hard is a unfair perk and is used on 99,99% of the matches

Just because something's counter able it still doesn't detract from the fact it's a second chance perk, though?

NOED is the biggest second chance perk in the game alongside DH. Survivor's don't cleanse as many dull totems anymore due to Boon totems, so 99% of the time NoED still ends up activating at the end of the game.

Sure, it has a counter as it can be cleansed once it's active, but that doesn't take into consideration solo queue where survivors have no organization or communication with each other. I play solo a lot and by the time someone's cleansed NoED the killer has already had at least some use out of it, even if that's only one or two free downs. Solo queue is a hard enough experience as it is, and I've seen countless times a solo-queue lobby get obliterated by NoED because it unfairly punishes them.

It depends on what your definition of 'second chance' is, I guess? But I would define it as something that requires little-to-no prerequisites yet can massively impact gameplay in your favour. Both DH and NoED fit under that category - DH allows you to take a hit with no consequences and potentially extend a chase; NoED will activate even if a killer is AFK for the whole game and allow free insta-downs.

lol

Seems fair and legit.

Hey there! Just popping into to throw some kindling on the fire and remind people that Ruin was nerfed for being used in 80% of Killer games.

The blindness of Fearmonger is actually pretty good, I'll give it that. However, I'm looking at it (for that post) strictly from an exhaustion perk stand point. At that point, the only reason you'd still be exhausted by the time you need Dead Hard would be either jump scared by a stealth killer or a chase where you have no pallets to work with so you can walk a bit to get your exhaust down (if it's not already gone, with how big the terror radius is, you'd be able to hear the killer coming, if not see them, and start walking to get down that exhaust before the killer comes).

Luckily Dead Hard is used in 99.9% of games and not 80%, in that case. Crisis averted.

If you know everyone use it, don't try to hit when you are far, wait until you are sticked to them 🙃

That wasn’t the only reason it was nerfed. It was unhealthy for the game in its old form

How was it exactly bad for the game? It was a good 30% percent of matches that it actually stayed up past the first generator. But we the players will never know because we weren't privy to the GOD like statistics that BHVR has. Ruin was probably one of the best perks in the game it gave Killers (Hag, Huntress, Deathslinger, and Trapper) the ability to set up before it was broken. Now in games you'll be lucky to put down a third trap before 3 generators pop.

Looking at the survivor side too It teaches players to go for the great skill check if they want their generators (If it was even still alive within the first few minutes." now players just have to sit on generators with no real challenge unless the Killer "Applies Pressure" which is kind of hard to do when their is 4 survivors and generators go faster than the past.

By your first point every perk that doesn't require some input from the Killer need's to be changed? So Unnerving Presence, Shadowborn, Enduring, Tinkerer, A Nurse's Calling, Monitor And Abuse, Remember Me, Coulrophobia, Rancor, Corrupt Intervention. Just to name a few perks that don't really need the Killer to have input over to gain value from it.

Your second point I though that the goal of playing over and over would make Survivors better? Isn't that the whole premise of SBMM?

What about SB? I honestly think SB is much stronger than DH when used correctly. You can usually avoid getting injured and make it to the next loop safely.

And either use it at the beginning of the chase aka the killer doesn't have to waste 1,5 however long chases to get dodge or advanced SB usage takes more skill than gauging the distance (killer or pallet/vault) and pressing e.

99ing exhausting takes skill and has risks. Getting injured is part of the gameplay cycle and isn't a real downside in comparison to the impact of the perk.

you can get rid of noed, and only need to do so once. cant rid of 4 deadhards

but it doesnt, because my killer still wipes the weapon which is longer than a normal whiff

ill clip it next time it happens in a game

I got two gripes with DH.

1: Dead Hard for distance. No counter. You can't "bait it out". There's nothing to bait if they're DHing for distance on a long loop outside of killer's lunge range.

2: The way it flat-out removes survivors hitboxes during the dash. Granted, that's how it's supposed to work, but my issue is you can use it to dash "through" Trapper's traps. On a narrow long loop this wins you the chase right there because the Trapper has to get his leg caught or pick the trap up and place it back down to continue the chase. I'm ok with it removing hitboxes actually, it's just DH through traps that shouldn't be a thing.

EDIT: I think DH needs some tweaks but I am not sure how it can be tweaked in such a way it's still a good perk but not as frustrating to play against.

True, but old Ruin was absolutely busted and was far more detrimental to the overall game than a couple of survivors bringing DH.

kinda boring when we got all this creative perks and everybody uses the exact same four perks 😒