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Survivor insults and harassment toward killer should be BANNED

Murgleïs
Murgleïs Member Posts: 1,093

It doesn't matter that you don't like tunneling, slugging, facecamping, proxycamping or bodyblocking. None of these valid strategies used by the killer gives you the right to wish cancer, send death threats, harass, or try to diminish someone self esteem.


These past days, I have been enjoying the following build with my nurse : BBQ, Pain resonance, No way Out, Noed. I have been playing so much Agitation / Starstruck in my nurse career I thought it was time to change my build. The strategy is simple : tunnel someone out and get no way out token to finish off the team in endgame if they are not dead before.

It is actually a good build and less stressful than Agitation / Starstruck because you don't need to keep track of as many variables but the amount of hate I received is unbearable to the point of affecting my mental health, for real. For example, yesterday the survivor team was so mad they insulted my mother (I suppose you can guess what they said about her), wished death to my grandmother (she is actually very sick, even if they have no idea you can imagine how it makes you feel), told me I was the garbage of society then they flood my steam profil with insults and tried to add me friend to send me disgusting pornographic images of male genitals. Yes, all of this because they felt rightful to do so.

When I point this hate to survivors, politely, they always find excuses :

  • The game is -18 therefore it's OK to insult someone you are an adult and you can take it
  • You were toxic first : I stoped counting how many times someone told me "gg wp" is toxic (it's the only thing I say in end chat)
  • You deserve it because you used X or Y strategy


NOBODY DESERVES TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT. THEY ARE NO EXCUSES.

My suggestion to end this hatred is to educate survivors, please create commands in the end game chat such as !tunnel !slug !camp with an automatic message reminding these are valid strategies, and that hate speech / harassment is NOT allowed. I am seriously considering stoping playing DBD for good, I used to have so much fun playing after work and chill. Now I launch the game, stare at the main menu and quit immediately to avoid the odds of getting matched against this kind of survivors.


PS : Sorry for my bad english but I really hope BHVR will read this and address it.

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  • Heartbound
    Heartbound Member Posts: 3,255

    If you give the survivors props when they do that you can rest easy since giving props doesn't really do anything.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    I can't relate because people are scared to do that on Playstation because Sony actually punishes them, surprisingly. It has really cleaned up my messages from all but the corniest mofos. In this game at least. Overwatch added the PC chat to console and you can type whatever you want there.

  • Veinslay
    Veinslay Member Posts: 1,959

    How hard does Sony punish? I've reported probably 200+ survivors for sending me hate-filled messages. Just tonight I had a guy tell me that he hopes I die and burn in hell because I stood around a slug while all 3 other survivors were hovering around, one with a flashlight

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 8,999

    If you are on console you get communication banned pretty easily for harassing messages

  • Murgleïs
    Murgleïs Member Posts: 1,093

    No, I don't ever play survivor so I can't speak for the survivor experience. What I know, after 600h of playing killer is that survivors feel rightful to insult and harass the killer when he uses a certain strategy. Maybe killers are toxic too, for other reasons I don't know them but I invite you to share them on this thread if you think it's a common issue.

  • Akumakaji
    Akumakaji Member Posts: 5,449
    edited January 2022

    I reported teo people for such instances. One of them argued with me about the viability of tunneling, camping and that proxy camping from hook to hook wasn't patrolling. When I didn't concede to his POV he started throwing slurs about my perceived sexual orientation at me.

    Another onehad actually a very good, yet sweaty, game against me, which I won, in the end. I said something "phew, that was an intense game", to which he said in some east European language, that I won't disclose here, that he wishes that my mother dies soon and that her funeral day should be made a national holiday. He also called me a shovel head.

    I mean, if you have to throw around such insults, at least do it in English if you don't strongly suspect that the other speaks your language, what's the point otherwise?

    But also, just don't. Wishing such horrible things on the other player or their loved ones is as low as it gets.

    BTW, in case you don't know how to report: first in the endgame chat you can click next to the name on a button with a thumb up/down pictogram and report that player for grieving, language abuse, bad sportsmanship and exploiting. This alone is not much, but its very, very important (read mandatory), as this creates a ticket in BHVR system with the names and date of everyone involved.

    Next make a Screenshot of the endgame chat. If you are using Steam this is F12. In epic or on console, I don't know.

    After this go to this link

    https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

    And chose "additional player report information".

    There you can write what happened, have to provide your very own player ID number, which is extremely long and can be found at the very bottom of the in-game configuration page, and also upload any screenshots you got of the incident. You will also ask if you already filed an in-game report.


    This all takes quite some while and might feel a bit excessive / petty, BUT it's the only way how we can give the bad apples a stern reminder that their behavior is not cool. I don't expect that they will be banned, but I guess that even an email with some questions, and the knowledge that you are now reported, might influence a lot of this peeps to curb their lose mouths and behave a bit better.

  • Murgleïs
    Murgleïs Member Posts: 1,093

    I said nobody deserves to be treated that way in a video game, including survivors, I can't be more specific.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    A shovel head? Now THAT is a step too far. Some people need to learn that words have consequences. You never know what is going on with the other side and to say something like that is just utterly disgusting.

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  • Hannacia
    Hannacia Member Posts: 1,323

    I got called names yesterday by 2 people that ended up dying to me in haddonfun with boons.

    They had to boost their own ego by calling me horrible names and saying they died because they wanted to not because i was just able to kill them.

    Survivors you are going to die sometimes. I was fair killer in goddamn haddonfield with meta perks and boons, so stop being a child about it and accept that you just wont win every single time. I've accepted the fact that i will lose a lot due to maps and boons already.

    I still try to play fair and all i get from it is bagging and insults. I might as well start tunneling you down. Let's be honest id probably 4k more often if i did.

  • I mean sure if you're gonna imply that general harassment is good for the community then please do go on. Tell me your thoughts

  • AnneBonny
    AnneBonny Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 2,252

    most of the harassment in this game boils down to playground insults and generic salt, targeting players for specific aspects of their identity goes beyond that and should be punished more heavily imo. obviously it shouldn't be exclusively focused on, harassment is harassment and anyone who participates in it can ######### right off. more than anything i'd like more transparency on what happens to people who get reported so we can actually know what bhvr does and doesn't act on.

  • So you must have people in your life that talk down to you every day right? Because that's normal... right?

  • AnneBonny
    AnneBonny Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 2,252
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  • Akumakaji
    Akumakaji Member Posts: 5,449

    See. A little bit of sheit talking at the end, that's ok, like with the old wrestling matches.

    But a lot of the people there cross certain lines regularly. When I smash someone at a table tennis match, I might say "Fufufu eat dirt, dirtbag!" and maybe get a laugh out it, because that's what's expected and ok.

    But insulting their mother, wishing harm on them for that one good ball they dealt me and cursing their family or insinuating that the death day of their mother should be a national holiday, THIS I would neither do nor allow to fly. Just imagine it in any normal setting.

    Video games are not the real life, but behind every single screen sits a real, breathing, feeling person. A human being. And while in today's day and age a lot of people are over sensitive and got no skin whatsoever, this here isn't a snowflake issue. These people, who insult so freely, either lack boundaries in their lives, education to know how to behave or just plain are at that age were they think being that edgy is utmost cool.

    No one here is talking about a perma-ban or something like that, but a 72h period to sober up wouldn't hurt most of this peeps.

  • AnneBonny
    AnneBonny Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 2,252

    i'm not saying people shouldn't be punished for harassment, of course they should. i want it to be clear how people are punished and whether the intensity of the harassment plays a role in that.

    i don't know how you're getting "harassment is ok" from anything i'm saying but feel free to keep talking out of your ass.

  • What a strange thing to do by instigating that you're OK with harassment and then turning a new leaf after being confronted with a problem... crazy dynamic on these forums

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  • Kurri
    Kurri Member Posts: 1,599

    I don't mean the button after the game. I mean to delete that button entirely, so you can't even open chat after the game.

  • lordfart
    lordfart Member Posts: 538

    I'm not tryna be rude or incendiary but I genuinely believe that calling someone trash in real life should offer no consequences because that's not harrassment haha. If you used a slur or make repeated attempts to aggressively intimidate someone (which is what real harassment is, not a one off insult) then I'd be singing the same tune as you. But I think it's actually counter-productive for these kinds of discussions to flat out refuse to acknowledge that not every unsavoury online interaction, or display of bad sportsmanship comes under the definition of harassment. People throw this word around way too much and it really muddies what actually constitutes abuse and harassment

  • Shaped
    Shaped Member Posts: 5,870

    They take it seriously but be sure to report every offensive message (or a word) individually because it is even more effective.

    You can even abuse their automated system if you are smart (and maybe a little bit mean) about it since they don't look at the context. For example "kill" even when meant like in game kill is considered offensive.

    You can even get your "friends" banned if you had long chats just by reporting words that are seen as offensive even when they are not meant for insults. Probably even perma banned lol.

    Always be careful who are you chatting to and the words you type when on ps. I learned my lesson once and I also learned to take advantage of it to get rude people banned. I can play dirty too.

  • So you would be OK with someone being negative to you every day of your life. That's good information...

  • TunnelVision
    TunnelVision Member Posts: 1,375

    They don't ban hackers so they certainly won't ban griefers.

  • Marc_go_solo
    Marc_go_solo Member Posts: 5,309

    I'd actually be all for a wrestling-style smacktalk, because in some ways being comical like that lightens the mood for both people. An example would be when I got a 1k as Nurse and one person messaged with "ggez" and I replied "Yeah? Well, if it wasn't for the sheet wrapped around my head you would have been killed. Playing blind is hardmode buddy!". Got a laugh from them out of that.

    I know that's not the same as harrassment obviously, and all forms of abuse or harrassment should be dealt with. But if people really were annoyed, my advice is if you somehow have to message about it, make it comical and light-hearted, and focus more on joking about yourself as much as others. It eases the stress, and ultimately it does make you realise that at the end of the day you're both 2 peeps playing a game. Being Mori'd is not like having your family name slurred.

  • Gwinty
    Gwinty Member Posts: 981
    edited January 2022

    Sad to hear this. Yes, your build is pretty intense and I would feel very frustrated to face it especially if you single me out as your tunnel target. This can feel bad as a survivor as you have very little chance against a good Nurse player. Sure, frustating.

    However this is no reason to allow any of which you just mentioned. Death thread and other stuff is no joke and there is no justification.

    Please not however that you have 2 issues at hand here: The ingame-chat is BHVR problem. They have to do something about this and ban the players who send you those "kind" words.

    Your steam profile however is on Steams side. This is nothing BHVR can influence. You have to report those cases to Steam to get something done about this.


    I hope they get what they deserve for this...

    And by the way thx for the build idea...I will try that too...


    I tend to do things like that too. A bit trashtalk is fine but it never crosses a personal line or includes and insults to family or something like that. "Next time bring a tent", "Weaklings die, big deal", "Chainsaw goes brr..."...I was having plenty of that. Most times this is fun.

  • SunsetSherbet
    SunsetSherbet Member Posts: 1,607

    People try to rationalize it because they themselves do it, and that is my genuine belief. So it's a way to rid the psyche of guilt or feelings of wrong doing by reinforcing to ones self that is is "good" and "normal." The people who defend it are probably trying to convince themselves more so than others.

  • Veinslay
    Veinslay Member Posts: 1,959

    Thanks for the feedback. I never say anything to these people that are hostile. I always just say "gg wp!" over and over. That either eggs them on to put more reportable material in the chat or they just give up and go away when you don't give them a reaction