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72-Hour Ban (Please Don't Get Mad at Me For This)
I've heard that this is the limit, but I thought I remember reading that it can go to 1 and then 2 weeks. I've also read that there's a twenty-four hour cooldown period that should reset* your ban. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, if my 72-hours ended earlier today (Saturday), if I waited until Monday to play, should I then be able to join games without the fear of a weeklong ban? HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING of course.
Also, please don't be ban me for talking about bans.
*Not "reset" reset, but like, take it down a notch or two.
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How in the world do you even get to 72 hours in the first place? To answer your question though: I don’t know, because I rarely DC with the exception of crashes.
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It's something called, "NAT Setting." I have a strict, double NAT setting, and this causes matchmaking/latency issues. Every so often, I get disconnected from a match. Because I am in love with this game and can't stop playing it, I continue to abuse myself by playing my character with a constantly escalating ban. I hope that explains it.
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If you are console wired connection would put you in nat 2 I think.
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I do not have access to my router. I have also tried to open ports, but that was a very unsuccessful day.
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That's a shame then. :(
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I was quite disheartened. I've accepted that I have no other choice but to play with random disconnects. I've done literally everything I could do, outside of stopping play of course.
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I appreciate that you love the game.
But, if your internet is unstable enough to produce these results, it's unfair to your fellow players that you keep logging in.
Regardless of why, DCing ruins the experience for 4 other players.
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I appreciate that you tried to show the teeniest most amount of empathy. However, I am not going to stop playing. A player DCing because of technical issues is not malicious, and should not be treated as such.
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It's not malicious, but intent is irrelevant.
The experience is why we play.
And being negatively impacted due to another's internet is the same feeling and results as malicious dc.
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Heres a suggestion to try if you have a wireless phone use it to connect for a while when playing with a hotspot. granted you should try and fix that router issue but sometimes those arent easy.
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I feel like this view is very selfish. But I am a person who thinks with their feelings. I find it hard to objectify situations without emotions being involved. I don't think this conversation will be going anywhere. But again, I appreciate you at least attempting to show the smallest amount of empathy.
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I thought max penalty was 5 minutes?
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This works, but does not solve my NAT issues. Also, I am sorry if this sounds rude, but I've stated in an earlier post that I've tried to fix the issue. I've tried everything. I've learned about opening ports for gosh sakes! But it can not be fixed.
By the way, none of these very insightful answers have yet to answer my original question.
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dead.
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Maybe you can try moving your console to a spot closer to your router? That can probably solve a lot of the issues. I’m not sure what your situation is though, but it’s just a suggestion if you’re able to do it.
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I appreciate the suggestion, but I've exhausted every option. I've literally been dealing with this since late October/early November. That's not why I made this thread though. Does anybody know about my cooldown period question?
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Thing is, back in the day, killers with horrible connections would have an unfair advantage since they could basically down survivors who were across the map.
You can see why having a bad internet affecting your teammates, even if it's not malicious, is still negatively affecting other people and therefor gets "punished". It is simply unfair to your potential teammates because it heavily affects their games everytime you DC.
It's not a very selfish view, what is a selfish view is claiming you should be able to play even though you're DC'ing often. Because lets put it like this, 72 hour matchmaking ban means you've dc'd at least 10 times (5 minutes, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours, 6 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours, I might have missed one), that means you screwed over 30 teammates for personal enjoyment, even if that enjoyment was playing the game. Who is having the selfish view here? It's really best to get in touch with someone with technical experience to get your NAT fixed, it might even be that your current modem hardlocks your NAT settings, in which case you should get a different modem.
As for the penalties being reset, it takes 24 hours of not dc'ing AFTER your penalty is over for it to drop 1 stage. So you have to wait the 72 hours, and then 10 days of no dc'ing before its back to 0 penalties.
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The reasoning that DC "ruins the experience" of a game is just ridiculous to me in the first place. How can YOUR whole "experience" be ruined by someone say...getting called into to work, or maybe their power going out? That's what seems selfish about it to me. A second thing is, you have no idea what my impact in the game would have done. I could've died on that first hook, and for all intensive purposes, I did. It's the same as someone going AFK, yet I never hear them catching any flack for whatever reasons they may have for "ruining the experience." Thirdly, it's nice that you're able to think about all these people I'm "screwing over," but I challenge you to think about the "experience" of the person who got disconnected through no fault of their own. Not only is their experience ACTUALLY ruined, but they are punished for it. Can you unselfishly think about that? Fourthly, and hopefully finally, it's just a game. And we're people. As a person, I try to be understanding. I challenge you to do the same.
And THANK YOU for actually answering my question. That is all I needed to know.
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I could never be mad at you, Pizzasauce. I would however recommend an alternative account. That might help you out a bit.
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wub
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Theoretically every 24hrs after the penalty ends (saturday in your case) it goes down a notch, so if you start playing again on monday (after 48hrs) and then disconnect on the same day you'll get a 24 or 36hrs ban (I don't remember what tier comes before 72)
This is all speculation, as BHVR never specified how it works, and probably never will
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Thank you for answering my question. I can still play on my friends account, so I can still play at least. I'm just so tempted to play on my account because it is mine and has all my cosmetics, perks, builds, time, effort and everything.
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Your choice, your risk 🤷🏻♂️
I'd avoid it, because I have NO idea what comes after the 72hrs tier, and I wouldn't want to find out 😬
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Yeah, so far I'm resisting. I'm just glad I got such good friends to let me play theirs and hold me over.
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Actually, it seems selfish to expect everybody else to be totally OK with your internet problems. It’s literally impossible for the game to know whether you DC’ed because you rage quit or because of a network issue. The game experience is terrible for everyone when the DC penalty is disabled, and to expect the tens of thousands of other players put up with a much more terrible game experience because you are having network problems is in my view very selfish. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is true
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The opposite is selfish as well, so if that is the only foundation to the argument, it is not a particularly good one.
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Because I play the game to try and win a match, losing a teammate means I lose a match pretty much guaranteed and there is nothing I can do about it. How can I have fun in a game when a teammate literally made it impossible for me to win? I dont mind losing games, but losing is fine if you have a chance at winning. Winning is fine if you have a chance at losing. Losing with 0 chance of winning very early on in a match simply ruins the match. There is nothing I can do, nothing my teammates can do, and nothing the killer can do, to revert the game to a state where it feels like a normal match.
You dont have to reply to work when you're not scheduled(really, dont, unless you get paid a lot because of your position or paid overtime, it's not really worth increasing your stress, you're not the only person who can do your job, you are getting called for work because you say yes so often, not because no one else can), your power going out might suck, but power outages are rare and still ruins the game(if power outages are common, you shouldnt even try playing multiplayer matches, that also is selfish. You KNOW you have multiple power outages, your teammates dont, not informing your teammates that you might DC because of a poweroutage and still playing it makes you a selfish player). Heck, even the weekly steam reset ruins games, and that one can be hard to avoid.
Let me even give an analogy: You have a chess match, its quite intense and suddenly a dove flies in on the board and knocks over all the pieces. That game is ruined, the intensity is gone, and even if you manage to get it back to how it was, you might aswell restart the game because you've lost your planning. The game is ruined, even though it's not the doves fault. However, if the dove knew flying into the board would ruin it, could avoid that board for a while in general by flying around it that takes like 20 extra seconds, but then calls people playing chess selfish cus he has to fly an extra 20 seconds, then the dove is the selfish one.
"A second thing is, you have no idea what my impact in the game would have done. I could've died on that first hook, and for all intensive purposes, I did."
No, you did not die on that first hook for all intents and purposes, you got hooked and disconnected. Staying hooked means the killer still has to be wary of you for at least 2 minutes. They either need to stay close to waste time on you to make sure you died on first hook, meaning teammates can work on gens. The difference by disconnecting on that hook means you just gave the killer a ton of free time, time they can now spend on chasing a survivor without worrying about a 4th survivor. The time that survivors can work on gens have been cut from 1 gen per 80 seconds, to 1 gen per 200 seconds, just because 1 teammate dc'd instead of dying on first hook. And that is assuming you did get hooked.
"It's the same as someone going AFK, yet I never hear them catching any flack for whatever reasons they may have for "ruining the experience.""
Thats because AFK survivors still require time for the killer to kill. An afk survivor would need to take 2 hits, be carried to a hook, and potentially be hooked for 59 seconds before getting unhooked and then still plays the game. An afk survivor who stays afk all match(clicking ready on accident for example), would still take up the attention of the killer. They still get flack for being afk(especially if the killer ignores them being afk), but they still require the attention of the killer. This is exactly why we want bots to replace DC's, because even if they are terrible, they still require the attention of the killer. They could be chased for 3 seconds, work on gens for 2 minutes with a Pig hat on and die to that trap, but at least they worked on generators for 2 minutes, at least they were chased for 3 seconds. At least they required the attention of the killer or progressed the game. When you DC, no attention is required, no future time is needed. If you DC on dead hook, sure, if you DC during Mori, sure, if you DC after the gates are prepped, sure, DC in a 2v1 so that hatch opens, sure whatever. Any other time? Negatively impacts the game.
Calling other people selfish for wanting to play normal games, is not really a correct claim. That's like an employer calling their employee selfish for wanting a raise, even though that employer is in a position where he could easily give the raise. You could avoid playing DBD untill your internet is fixed so you wont affect the games of your teammates anymore, but you dont, for what? Because YOU want to play the game? Because YOU want to enjoy yourself?. That is the definition of selfish. Players expecting the average and getting less are not being selfish.
Normal games are the norm, DC's are the exception. People wanting to follow the norm are not selfish.
As for you wanting to enjoy DBD before the internet is properly fixed, I'd suggest playing DBD mobile. It's free to play and dc's get replaced with bots and I dont think there is a punishment for dc's(and if there is, it's not gonna be 72 hours) Its a similar experience, you'd still get to play the game, it's free to play. Otherwise, try to inform players that you have a high chance of DC'ing due to internet issues, so that they have the option to ditch the match. It might be harder to find a match, but people need to prepare to potentially pick up a match with a DC.
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"The reasoning that DC "ruins the experience" of a game is just ridiculous to me in the first place. How can YOUR whole "experience" be ruined by someone say...getting called into to work, or maybe their power going out?"
Because the game is not balanced around someone randomly leaving early in the middle of the match, and just one person doing it can enough to heavily tip the match in the Killer's favor. Obviously, sometimes people cannot help having to leave to tend to something important (hence why the DC penalty starts lenient), but if you are deciding that you're going to play with internet that causes enough games to be messes up to net you a 72-hr ban...well...
Also, I fully advocate reporting people who go AFK for too long.
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I just expect people to be understanding. I know that is a lot to ask of people, as it holds everybody to a high standard of character. The message I get when I am disconnected because of my NAT settings is "Disconnection from Host." This message, if seen on BHVR's end, should clue them in that I did not rage quit, and that there was a technical issue.
I never suggested getting rid of the DC penalty. Not ONCE. Why? Because I don't agree that we SHOULDN'T have a DC penalty. I think one should be in place. I think ours is particularly harsh and shouldn't punish technical difficulties is all, not that one shouldn't be in place.
Again I ask, try to imagine being the person that was disconnected from the host. Actually, you know what, if you can't do this then never-mind. I understand empathy is difficult for some people. I'm not sure it's something that can be learned.
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I think it is really telling of this community that we have people like this that have to ask "please don't be mad at me" in their posts. :(
We really need to be better.
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-Losing a teammate does not equal losing a match. That is a losing mentality. Have you lost every match you have lost a teammate in? If that is true then we are playing very different games. Also, funny for you to automatically assume I'm a survivor main. (I'm not.)
-There is this term, "on-call." Many nurses and health-care field workers are on it quite often. I only know because I come from a family of nurses. You could sit down to play a game together like any other night, but if that phone rings, guess who's leaving and "ruining the experience" of everyone else? I laughed when I typed that, it just seems so incredibly selfish I can't believe we're even discussing it.
-By your logic, does the weekly Steam outage mean no one on Steam should play on Tuesdays? Honest question.
-Oh great, an analogy. I usually love these but I'm so tired at this point so let's make this quick. Neither player knew the bird was coming. Both players are aware, that sitting out in the open air it is technically possible for a bird to swoop down and do that to their game. Now, does one player get mad at the other player claiming he had prior knowledge this was going to happen and it's his fault the game is automatically over? (Even though in DBD, it is not over until it's over).
-You through a bunch of numbers at me and numbers confuse me so I'm just going to give you that one.
-Okay, I think I see your point maybe. The game is negatively impacted when someone disconnects. I will not say it is "ruined" because that sounds so dramatic, but I can see your points about the negative impacts. It also negatively impacts the dc'er. I've had dc's in the middle of challenges, in the middle of healing, in the middle of hooking, during the EGC, you name it. The difference is, not only is the person getting disconnected having to deal with all those situational losses, on top of the teams situational losses, but they are being PENALIZED for it, while the team can go on to the next game and be fine. I don't get to move on from it. AND I get to catch flack for it.
-I think it's selfish for the players playing not to consider the one getting disconnected. Simple.
-It was nice of you to though in a suggestion there at the end but I'm not looking for them. I only made this thread to ask a question, and to hopefully avoid posts like these. An experience ruined you might say.
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"-Losing a teammate does not equal losing a match. That is a losing mentality. Have you lost every match you have lost a teammate in? If that is true then we are playing very different games. Also, funny for you to automatically assume I'm a survivor main. (I'm not.)"
If you lose a teammate early on due to a DC, yes, it equals losing a match. When I lose teammates in NORMAL matches, they either get camped or tunneled out, meaning we get to do 4-5 gens in the meantime. If I lose a teammate early to a DC, it means we might have done 2 gens, 3 if we are lucky, and doing 2-3 gens with 3 survivors is practically a loss for survivors unless the killer misplays. And I have been picking survivor examples, because those are the DC's that matter most. If you never play survivor, yeah, sure, whatever. I dont care. But this is exactly why DC's matter for survivors:
With 4 survivors against a killer in optimal flow, you have 1 survivor on hook, 1 survivor in chase, 1 survivor unhooking and 1 survivor on the gen. With this set-up, survivors, on average, will finish all 5 gens in 7 minutes, give or take 1-2 minutes due to how fast the first down is. Once 1 survivor ditches out early on, this entire flow for survivors is disrupted, and now you have 1 survivor on hook, 1 in chase, and 1 unhooking. Who's left to do gens? Again, with 1-2 gens remaining, this is fine, there is a slight time gap where survivors can heal up and work on gens together, but this is gonna be maybe 10 seconds at most. With 3 survivors, 2 gens are barely doable. Its not losing mentality, its just fact.
"There is this term, "on-call." Many nurses and health-care field workers are on it quite often. I only know because I come from a family of nurses. You could sit down to play a game together like any other night, but if that phone rings, guess who's leaving and "ruining the experience" of everyone else? I laughed when I typed that, it just seems so incredibly selfish I can't believe we're even discussing it."
I already included people getting paid extra, and even in that scenario, yeah, its kinda selfish to start playing online games that rely heavily on every teammate when you know you can leave at any moment without informing other people. You know what my on-call friend does? Inform us that she is on-call. So we know she might be leaving and we have prepared builds for those kind of days, but even then, she rarely plays games like DBD and instead goes for games where a DC doesnt really impact the game that much or just watches a movie. So yeah, selfish. Nurses can be selfish too, yknow. I literally grew up in a hospital because my mom was a nurse. And trust me, plenty of selfish people working as nurses there. The biggest Karens I've met are even nurses. So dont make me laugh thinking someone is immune to selfishness because they are on-call at a hospital. Inform the people you play with that you might need to leave soon. Otherwise, dont play those kind of games.
"-By your logic, does the weekly Steam outage mean no one on Steam should play on Tuesdays? Honest question."
People actually try to avoid playing around steam resets, fyi. It's hard to avoid, because its out of their control, but I've had people stop playing from 23:55-0:15 just to avoid the steam outage, because of 2 reasons: 1. they werent able to finish the game anyway, might aswell just spend time to replenish drinks, bathroom breaks etc. 2. they would get a dc penalty that might last up to 4 minutes if the reset lasted only 30 seconds.
So no, its not that no one should play on tuesdays, because there is a timespan where the servers recieve a reset, and that timespan is somewhat predictable. The way you phrase the question is like no one should play all day, but that's not the case. It's just avoiding to play for 10-15 minutes or make sure the match ends before the reset. You can avoid the situation, so why not?
"-Oh great, an analogy. I usually love these but I'm so tired at this point so let's make this quick. Neither player knew the bird was coming. Both players are aware, that sitting out in the open air it is technically possible for a bird to swoop down and do that to their game. Now, does one player get mad at the other player claiming he had prior knowledge this was going to happen and it's his fault the game is automatically over? (Even though in DBD, it is not over until it's over)."
If you're going to thwart the analogy, at least include the section where the bird knows about it. In neither case are you one of the people playing the game, you are the bird in this analogy, refusing to adjust your flight path because you want to take the shortcut, even if that shortcut interrupts games consistently.
"-I think it's selfish for the players playing not to consider the one getting disconnected. Simple."
They dont have to, people DC maliciously, DC's ruin games, DC's remove pressure. So unless you solely play killer(I never claimed you were any kind of main, I simply stated why DC's ruin games, which is always a survivor DC), your DC is gonna negatively impact games. You have control on the situation, you know the origin, you didnt fix the origin of the problem and still decided to continue. That makes you the only one here that can be selfish. You have full decision on what happens here. You could decide to play a different game that is not DBD untill its fixed.
How are people selfish because they dont consider your reason of DC when your reason to DC is avoidable? Like you said "I've done literally everything I could do, outside of stopping play of course." and "I have a strict, double NAT setting, and this causes matchmaking/latency issues. Every so often, I get disconnected from a match.". You know the issue, you know the problem is yours, but instead you share your problem with people who dont want to share your problem. That's not selfish. Maybe unempethatic, but not selfish.
Like I said in the first one, get a new modem, or a new ISP. Odds are that your modem is hardlocked. It's not your router. Your router simply gives you the connection to your modem. I've had an ISP where the only modems available were hardlocked into NAT3, even if I turned it to NAT1 or NAT2, within 3 hours, it was forced back into NAT3. So I swapped ISP's, no more NAT3 issues and full control over my NAT-connection. THAT is something you can still do. Heck, depending on how long ago you got the ISP, it might even be financially beneficial too, as internet bundles have gotten cheaper over time.
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I agree. I don't have much tolerance for teammates leaving but in this case op was nice and doesn't deserve being attacked for it.
He just wants to play the game but can't and he is not in position to play wired it seems.
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I'm bored. Can we just pretend you won and be done?
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What is your obsession with DC penalty lengths all the time lol
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It's obsessed with me!
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In case that came off as flippant, let me try again. It's late, I'm tired and I play this game to have fun. This is not fun.
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BHVRs system can't see why you disconnected. Penalties are working as intended. The other 4 remaining players don't care WHY someone DCd aswell, it's always a bad thing, even for the stats. So either fix your NAT-settings (just google your router, i've done it many times before) or stop playing.
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Yes sir.
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I'm not mad, i'm just dissapointed
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:(
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i believe theres a 1 day gap between the penalties for it to start going down a number, so in your case you are probably gonna have to be waiting for many days for it to reach 0, you should get in contact with your internet provider and have someone come and fix your modem, im sorry to say this but if your issues are bad enough to get to 72 hours ban you should not play the game until you get it fixed, you affect the experience for all other players and im sure it's not enjoyable for you either, its not fun to have someone DC in the beginning of the match as it leaves the team with no chance
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About your strict NAT, have you tried talking to your ISP about it? I'd be inclined to change provider.
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Sometimes in life, it is helpful to look at what has went on before us, before we make any steps ourselves.
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As someone who has had nat type problems since November, you just need to play on 4G hotspot.
Is it annoying? Yes but at least it works. Just try to not use your phone for a bit. Also I will say it uses a lot less data than you'd expect.
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I have. It's the best internet in the area and isn't the problem itself if I understand it correctly. If what I understand to be true is correct, then the problem is I have a double NAT setting, meaning, I think, two routers. I've went out and bought a whole new router because of all this (the most expensive one i could find) and when in contact with their support team about opening up ports, (a solution I'm assured by Xbox will work), they confirmed that we had two routers and that one would need to be set to bridge before the other could open the ports. If you want I can finish this story but its getting awfully long and I'm sure plenty boring.
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How is it with handling gaming speeds though? That is my biggest concern. A cell phones hot spot does not seem optimal for online multiplayer gaming.
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For me the only game I have problems playing with my normal internet is Dbd. Every other game works perfect.
For me I usually get 90 to 100 ping, so long as I don't use my phone. You'll have a few random spikes but better than not playing the game at all. Try it for 1 session. Play about 2/3 hours of dbd and see how it feels.
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Hmm....okay...I'm putting my trust out there.
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You have nothing to lose. You'll be surprised after playing for 2 hours how little data was actually used. I have 15GB so I'm pretty comfortable I won't run out.
I've been doing it since November (click on my name and see the discussion about it). I couldn't even log onto the game until I did this. As soon as your done playing dbd then switch back to your lan or wifi.
Genuinely you have nothing to lose. I am doing this on console btw incase that makes a difference to you.
Actually if you'd like we can play together someday so I can show you that it doesn't really do much.
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