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BHVR: Any Plans To Buff/Fix Event BP Gains For Killer?
I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but I've been doing a bit of testing.
I get the envelope, same as everyone else in a game with 5.
I 3k. Maxed out on everything besides sacrifices, trying to use a variety of hooks (which with No Boil on every second survivor is no treat).
My BP: 45k.
Survivors: 40k (died at 3 gens remaining), 55k, 56k, 65k.
Add to this the fact that survivors get free souped up toolboxes and killers get...nothing. Again.
Am I missing something, or is this event essentially code for 'just play survivor'? When everyone else is getting 10-20% more BP than me in a game I won, something is off.
EDIT: I've figured it out.
Some hooks are not awarding any BP at all, while others give no BP if you 're-use' a hook, which apparently wasn't supposed to be the case.
EDIT 2: Consider that this is already a full day into the event, so even if this is changed/fixed tomorrow (hint: it won't be, see Snowmen) killers have already lost out massively due to what is either a bug, a HUGE oversight or something a lot crueler.
I'd love to see what survivor queues look like by this time tomorrow, as more people twig onto this.
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I've only played a handful of games but so far at least it seems like it's fine. Every time I've played (as survivor or as killer), the killer has outscored everyone.
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Going to play a few more and see what the numbers look like. It was a Plague game, who doesn't tend to do well BP wise - will keep an eye on it.
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Each gen completed all survivors get 3k event BP so that's 15k BP if all 5 are completed. Then there's activating and the claiming of envelopes - some might be claiming more envelopes than others.
Are you sure you are definitely getting event BP for every hook? I'd say save your games and then watch the play back for scoring events to make sure they are popping up for every hook.
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What? So would you also argue the game is outside of events killer sided because they are earning generally more BP than survivors?
this event is pretty neutral. Well, actually it gives killers some extra info since they know that a surv must be in the area when an envelope aura is disappearing.
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Is this a joke?
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This, only basically the opposite. Those 3k gens Hella Hella add up.
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No.
It's survivor sided because they get top tier toolboxes for free and killers get literally nothing. It's snowmen all over again.
The BP gains are the cherry on top.
Aha. This is what it is.
3000 is stronk.
I think I'm getting event BP from (most) of my hooks, I am making a concerted effort to use different ones.
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Yeah will see what the game I'm heading into looks like.
In 3 games thus far, I've been 10-20k behind the highest survivor on a win, and 30k or so below on a loss.
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The devs do not make events for killer anymore.
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The items are nothing new though. And part of every event… they are also just reskinned normal toolboxes (not sure which ones exactly), so it’s not that bad really.
also as i said, killers do get some info on the auras (which actually helped in my latest killer match a lot)
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Of all the ways this event could be survivor sided, I would say this is a non-issue.
The event toolboxes are reskinned toolboxes that already exist, there's not an innate benefit to the toolbox besides the fireworks on hitting great skill checks.
The fireworks are one time use blinds that aren't the easiest things to use.
The extra BP has no effect on gameplay. If anything survivors are spending extra time at the start of the match doing envelopes instead of gens which is a slight benefit to the killer.
Far better than snowmen from the last event.
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I believe you're supposed to get event BP even if you use the same hook so if you're not that might be a bug and why you aren't getting as much BP. Maybe double check with Mandy but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be the case.
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Weird.
I actually ended up farming this team a bit. Someone brought an Anniversary Cake so I go into Nice Killer Mode and intend to not Death Hook anyone. Well Survivor 1 decided to Tbag me so for his crime, he was murdered (Hope all that BP you lost was worth it survivor but I'm sure 13,000 points with only one gen done was totally what you were hoping for when you used that Cake!). Survivor 2 for whatever reason killed themselves on the hook (presumably didn't realize I had no intention of killing them all and just gave up instead of getting as many points as he could but whatevs, no skin off my nose). Survivors 3 and 4 though I let do their gens and leave. The highest scoring survivor got 30,000ish points (survivor 2 who also survived got 28000) and I got 48,049 points.
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I'll keep an eye on it.
It's 6 of one, a half dozen of the other. Snowmen were annoying, but so is everyone having a stacked toolbox.
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The numbers may be off, but the event itself seems pretty fine for both sides.
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How is incentivizing people to play survivor more, during a time where queues are double digits, a non issue?
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I dunno about that. I seem to recall a recent event where it told killers which gens were event gens by the aura color???
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After some more testing, this is what's happening:
- Some hooks are not giving BP at all. This does not appear to be related to how many times it's been used, but it's difficult to tell for sure.
- Hooks are only giving a pitiful 750 BP. Compared to what survivors get from a gen (3k), this means that - even if it works properly, I'll never get close to the numbers they can even if I win (750x12 isn't even 10k).
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It's hilarious to me that that is your idea of giving killers something.
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As far as events go, this is one of the most fair events to both sides. Your issues aren't the event, it's BHVR questionable balance decisions.
Survivors have generally always had stacked items in my killer games so I'm not seeing what's actually different here.
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Use a offering .
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The Halloween one I think it was awful
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Yeah, those are little things.
..... But they're things. The killer doesn't even get those little things. It's sad, bud.
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100%. Don’t miss it.
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I do. The envelopes don't really give that much unless you can collect them (and survivors will always be there first, because there are 4 of them).
The issue is that:
- Some hooks are not correctly awarding BP.
- The BP gains on hooks are insanely, ridiculously low even when they do work.
- Survivors can deny you BP.
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I think having a massive BP buff for survivors that expressly excludes killer (the hook BP feels like almost a deliberate insult) isn't a little thing. It feels really meanspirited on behalf of the devs.
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Killers should certainly get more BP from the event stuff, but I don't think the event itself is unbalanced since the envelopes have very little effect on actual gameplay.
Tbh, BP not working sometimes seems like a bug. Events never get tested on PTB, because the devs want to surprise us with the event.
I also feel like 750BP is also a bug, because I could have sworn previous events gave killer larger BP for event hooks.
Like I have issues with things the devs do, but I don't see this event as one of them.
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When a bug goes live for an entire day of a very short event, causing one side to get almost no benefits and the other side to basically double their earnings, that's not a bug. That's someone very deliberately sticking it to someone else.
There's also a pattern forming here. Remember the snowmen? Yeah.
I'd be curious to see what survivor queues are in a few days. When I can lose a game as survivor and still completely outscore the killer on BP gains - that's ridiculous.
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EDIT: Disregard.
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A genuine question, actually- are you 100% sure you're also using the Red Envelope offerings? Because they cause a substantial increase in BP gain too- through the random amount when another survivor opens your Envelope, to the 4k/5k (can't remember exactly) when you reveal it. They also boost current gains through hooks + gens- without an envelope, a generator completion will only grant 1k instead of 3k, and with an envelope a hook will grant 2k instead of 750.
Our experiences seem to differ massively and I'm really interested to know why.
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Aha. This explains it partially. There still seem to be two issues in play.
- The hooks are supposed to apply the BP bonus on repeat hooks, but this does not appear to be working correctly.
- Sometimes hooks just completely fail to give the BP bonus at all, even on the first hook.
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I may be wrong but previous events I believe each time you hooked a survivor it would give you 1k BP so 3k for 3 hooking a survivor. It does seem odd to not atleast make 3 hooks = 1 gen. Honestly cannot think of the reasoning behind not giving equal BP here when it's based on hooks and not hook states.
Are the hooks scourge hooks? If so that could be bug where hook is choosing scourge perk or event BP, not both.
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