Holding the Game Hostage because you can't find the Hatch

Regardless, it's still possible to catch them. If you have issues with the perks you have to bring, you could always bring in nice add-ons to make up for it. There's already crows when survivors go afk. Additionally if a survivor is looking for the hatch and it isn't open, they may be checking common places that it spawns and it may be good to check around those.

I'm pretty sure "holding the game hostage" refers to situations where you can't finish the game without d/cing.

@LCGaster said:
I play on PS4, usually if there is one survivor left and I find the hatch first I will message them to tell them I'll let them escape, I don't do this as bait, if I say I'll let them go I'll let them go. If I find them before the hatch I'll just try to catch them

that a nice killer.

Trying to escape is holding the game hostage, noted : )

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:
Bring Whispers and you'll know what area they're in if you're having issues like that. I don't believe that's actually holding the game hostage as you can in theory find them and end the game by killing them.

You cant counter every broken game mechanic by using a perk. We dont have enough slots for that

You aren't entitled to your 4k stop whining about it, you want that 4k EARN IT!

@Master said:

@powerbats said:

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:
Bring Whispers and you'll know what area they're in if you're having issues like that. I don't believe that's actually holding the game hostage as you can in theory find them and end the game by killing them.

You cant counter every broken game mechanic by using a perk. We dont have enough slots for that

You aren't entitled to your 4k stop whining about it, you want that 4k EARN IT!

Ah the 4k "argument"

Well since you can't refute that and you always resort to your typical fallacies I'll point that out since that's the end result anyways. You don't want to have to earn that 4th kill and want the survivor to be easily found, well go find them or runa perk then.

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:
Bring Whispers and you'll know what area they're in if you're having issues like that. I don't believe that's actually holding the game hostage as you can in theory find them and end the game by killing them.

You cant counter every broken game mechanic by using a perk. We dont have enough slots for that

Eh, I agree to some degree. The end game is often not fun for killer, though if someone finds themselves having issues with finding survivors often, whispers helps. I believe it's one of the most common perks to bring as is. It's good to signify if someone's nearby and to waste less time.

@JJRULEZ159 said:

@powerbats said:

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:
Bring Whispers and you'll know what area they're in if you're having issues like that. I don't believe that's actually holding the game hostage as you can in theory find them and end the game by killing them.

You cant counter every broken game mechanic by using a perk. We dont have enough slots for that

You aren't entitled to your 4k stop whining about it, you want that 4k EARN IT!

You want an earned 4k? Ok how about getting 3k at 2 gens done, and losing the 4k purely because the survivor went afk essentially, and I didn't want to have to spend 3 hours on a hatch standoff? I knew the location of the hatch, the survivor didn't, but I couldn't find them, I was using a lvl 1 nurse, what could I have done to "earn" that 4k? Waste more time?

I've had something similar happen on nurse. They stayed after the gates were opened to look for hatch and took forever. As I said elsewhere, Whisper helps locate survivors. If you find that happening often, maybe consider taking along the perk. Otherwise, I'm sure there's ways to find and locate survivors and I'm sure there's common places survivors may stick to. Some may go into lockers and others will just crouch around everywhere.

@JJRULEZ159 said:

You want an earned 4k? Ok how about getting 3k at 2 gens done, and losing the 4k purely because the survivor went afk essentially, and I didn't want to have to spend 3 hours on a hatch standoff? I knew the location of the hatch, the survivor didn't, but I couldn't find them, I was using a lvl 1 nurse, what could I have done to "earn" that 4k? Waste more time?

Well you could've slugged the 3rd person, you could've run whispers like so many other Nurses do and again you felt entitled to the 4k because you couldn't find them.

You were also a level 1 killer so you can't complain about not being able to find someone I mean good grief a level 1 killer and you still 3k'd and you're complaining because you didn't get a 4k.

If you got 3k with a level 1 killer that's above average now granted if you're at newbie ranks Nurse is going to do well usually.

You're upset because you didn't get your 4k because you knew where the hatch was and they didn't well guess what you can always go look for them. The only one to blame for a 3 hour hatch standoff is you at that point if it gets to that level of time wasted.

In the amount of time you spent writing this post you'd have already started a new match and earned more blood points. I don't do hatch standoffs, I show them where it's at if it was a good game, if not I go look for them.

If I've gotten 3 and one gets out I still won and I still got way more bp than they did, and the entity is pleased with me.

Again you're not entitled to a 4k in any way shape or form anymore than the survivors are entitled to having all 5 gens pop on their own. No one not even the pro's 4k every game, except Monto who did a challenge but that was rare.

You'll have games where you wreck kitchen and games where you don't but when you 4k them and no gens get done you're not going to come to the forums and complain about that though.

@fluffybunny said:

Yeah, I know what you mean. They need to do something about the end game. It feels a bit too unrewarding and brain dead. Often the worst player (who's camping the hatch) gets it. I mean, I understand the hatch is present due to instilling hope into the survivors, but I'm sure counter play could be added in or it could just be completely changed. Like they are required to slowly go down the hatch instead of just hopping in. I dunno how to fix it, honestly. Just some ideas.

Well for someone that does nothing all game it shouldn't allow an escape, you've had to have either done at least 1 gen, unhooked someone SAFELY, healed someone 1 health state or done a combo of totems etc.

@fluffybunny said:

I would say maybe having it a mix of gens and safely unhooking people, but I still kinda like my slower entrance idea as it would mean the survivor would need to sneak into it rather than just jump in freely. It SHOULD be harder to get a hatch escape than a door one as the situation is so much more dire.

It's already harder for them to get in because they can easily get grabbed if the killer is close and sliding might be too difficult to code since it's not in the game now due to the limitations.

i think there needs to be a time limit setting.

@Mochan said:

@JJRULEZ159 said:

@powerbats said:

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:
Bring Whispers and you'll know what area they're in if you're having issues like that. I don't believe that's actually holding the game hostage as you can in theory find them and end the game by killing them.

You cant counter every broken game mechanic by using a perk. We dont have enough slots for that

You aren't entitled to your 4k stop whining about it, you want that 4k EARN IT!

You want an earned 4k? Ok how about getting 3k at 2 gens done, and losing the 4k purely because the survivor went afk essentially, and I didn't want to have to spend 3 hours on a hatch standoff? I knew the location of the hatch, the survivor didn't, but I couldn't find them, I was using a lvl 1 nurse, what could I have done to "earn" that 4k? Waste more time?

This is a mistake you made. If it's a concern and you want to get 4Ks, slug the 3rd survivor then hunt for the last one.

It's like Survivors who ignore three closely-clumped gens, then when they're at 1Gen they can't get anything done because the Killer 3Gens them.

These are gameplay mistakes, you learn from them and adapt if you want to get 4Ks.

I would've but the final survivor was a mega immersed claudette, my only chance at finding them was hatch, and even then I didn't get the 4k. It's still a win, but annoying that I lost because the final kill had more patience than me.